I call bullshit on bashing the Bush twins.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

Disclaimer: the phrase "DU men" refers to the ones engaged in the behavior I refer, not to every DU poster with a penis.

We all agree here that the Bunnypants administration lies about everything. And yet, many posters on DU (many of them with profiles identifying them as male) are taking every opportunity they can to make vicious and mysogynist comments about them. Calling them sluts (as though they have no right to have sex, and as though anyone on DU has real evidence that they do) and worse. Making crude comments about their bodies.

The justification for this behavior is that they "volunteered." How do you know? The Bushies told you so.

What is it? Are they liars, or do they tell the truth?

Looking at this administration's record of strong-arm, anti-Constitutional tactics used on the American people, why does anyone believe his daughters would get off more lightly? If anything, they're more under his control. Many here have felt their freedom of speech threatened by Bush policies -- and you're not even followed around 24 hours a day by men in his employ who have guns. THEY ARE.

DU's collective consciousness is either that the Bush campaign is full of liars, or it isn't. If it is, you can't believe them to be truth-telling when it suits your purposes.

And even if they DID volunteer out of a sense of wanting him to win (unlikely, given what we know about the anti-war politics of at least one of them) that is still no excuse for a progressive community being so full of men, especially, making sexist, mysogynist, disgusting comments about women, no matter their politics.

We are progressive, or we are not. Women are sex objects, or they are not. Ladies, if the men here get away with calling those women sluts and worse because of who their father is, guess what? When they don't like something you do, you're next.

I didn't choose my parents. Neither did you. Neither did they.

Your only source for the idea that they chose to work for the campaign is a group of known liars. It's the height of hypocrisy to believe them as an excuse for the sort of Right-wing-style vitriol getting hurled around here.

Go ahead, DU men. I've had sex and gotten drunk and had sex drunk more than once in my life, especially when I was in college. Call me a slut, too. Make your disgusting comments about all that matters is if I swallow.

For all you know, I could be one of the Bush twins.

[LiberalVoice]

1. I call them "tools".

Because they have just as much(If not more)of an ability to see through the lies of their father and still they support a fscist.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

4. You don't know that they do.

Every word you've heard them say was spoken with men in their father's employ carrying guns a few feet away.

You have no clue what they do or don't support.

[LiberalVoice]

26. That is garbage.

Are you even for a second insinuating that they would be killed if the spoke out against their father. That is crap.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

30. Why? You think Bush is above strong-arming his children?

That's interesting. I don't. I think he's not above strong-arming anyone. Do you hate him or don't you? He can't be a murderous thug on the one hand, but when it makes you feel better to think he's a decent guy, well, THEN he's a decent guy.

[LiberalVoice]

34. This is really getting ridiculous.

First off, don't put words in my mouth. Yu would be suprised how easy it is to speak fanatically about your father and still manage to stay alive.

Some people on here already know that my father is El-Sayed Nosair a terrosit. I have spoken out against him in public in front of cameras. I have had the people he was responsible for killing and his own people trying to kill me for a long time. I'm still here, and I've never had 24 hour protection.

[LiberalVoice]

38. This is really getting ridiculous.

First off, don't put words in my mouth. You would be suprised how easy it is to speak out against your father and still manage to stay alive. lol

Some people on here already know that my father is El-Sayed Nosair a terrorist. I have spoken out against him in public in front of cameras. I have had the people he was responsible for killing and his own organization (You might have heard of them. Al-Qaeda) trying to get at me for a long time. I'm still here, and I've never had 24 hour protection.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

50. Then you, of all people, should understand that the child is

not responsible for the parents' crimes. Based on your father, who you did not choose, would it be okay for me to call you a sadistic, baby-slaughtering, murdering fascist bastard? No, it wouldn't. And I would never do that because I believe in the dignity of the individual. Evidently, DU men don't, when the individual in question is a female from a conservative lineage.

That. Is. Sickening.

[LiberalVoice]

59. No they aren't responsible for his crimes.

But they are responsible for coming out on television and supproting him. That is why they have no respect in my book. I treat them like I do anyother supporter of bush. Either as an ignorant moron with barely the necessary materials to make up a full human brain or a liar who is willing to see other people hurt in order to follow his or her own cause.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

66. "like I do any other supporter of bush."

What other supporters of bush have you recently called a ho-bag, skank, slut, or worse?

[LiberalVoice]

103. I have never...

called either one of them a ho-bag, skank, or slut! You can't just lump everyone who attacks them into one group.

I wouldn't call them that because I have not exactly been the most "morally equipped" person. I expect college students to get drunk and have sex with people they barely know. But as adults with properly functioning minds, I do have the right to criticize them on their political beliefs. They are supporters of Bush. It's as simple as that. You can't just say that there dad would have them killed if they spoke against him. Especially since you have no idea whether or not thats true. I personally think Cheney is a worse human being then Bush...But you haven't heard that his gay daughter was killed now did you?

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

107. Good example! Seen the "dear mary" site? Instead of calling her

vicious, sexist names, progressives are reaching out to her.

Why would the Bush twins ever dream of publicly renouncing their father? Who would they run to? US? Democrats? "Progressives" who call them skanks and sluts and worse?

[freetobegay]

2. I may not have chosen my parents

But if they were anything Like the Bush's, I would have disowned them!

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

5. If you were followed around by men they employed 24 hours a day

carrying guns, you might not have that choice.

[ET Awful]

16. You're right, I'm sure the Secret Service agents are going to shoot them

if they don't toe the party line.

I agree they shouldn't be attacked, but trying to use the secret service as an excuse for them supporting their lowlife father is simply wrong.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

20. You don't know that they support him.

You know that they've been thrust into the campaign, maybe willingly, maybe not. That's all you know. You don't know what's really going on behind the scenes. Assuming that there's no strong-arm tactics at all is assuming that Shrub is a decent guy. Is that what you believe? Maybe you should vote for him, then.

[John BigBootay]

24. I call bullshit too, but--

I think it's a little outlandish to think that the twins support Bush only at the barrel of a gun. I think it's FAR more likely that they truly, actually support him-- just like the other 50% of America.

[ET Awful]

56. LOL . . . if you really believe that the girls are forced at gunpoint

to toe the party line, you need to take a break from the whole thing for a while, catch your breath, perhaps take a valium or two.

[freetobegay]

22. Whatever your fascination with those two is

Thats your business, They support their fathers politics & they do it publicly which makes them fair game.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

28. You don't know that they support him. You know that a lying,

thieving, murderous administration that hasn't told the truth about anything yet says they do.

Why do you believe them now? You believe they're telling the truth about that -- do you also believe what they say about gays and lesbians? Why not? Because that doesn't suit your purposes? How about being consistent?

[freetobegay]

33. What does Gays & lesbians have to do with this?

Dispute what I said, don't change the subject.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

39. You're the one who believes what Bush says.

He says they support him, and you believe him. I'm just curious how far your trust in Bush goes, that's all. Do you believe him about the environment? The war? WMDs?

[freetobegay]

40. Have a good day

:eyes:

[stray cat]

3. Amen!

The republicans are the party that contain the mysogynist minority. Lets let them keep that honor.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

9. My friend, we are equally to blame now.

No one with a sense of honesty can look at the DU posts about the Bush twins and honestly say that the Democratic/Progressive community doesn't have a sizable mysogynist minority. Not anymore.

[clydefrand]

6. Are you? Which one?

[fishface]

7. Saying I want to bite Barbara's butt is a compliment..

and I meant every word of it..hehehehe

[TrustingDog]

8. good post. A line has to be drawn and bashing kids is not good form.

[henslee]

12. Kids? nt

[henslee]

10. Let's me get this straight. We shouldn't post pictures like this one?

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

13. This picture tell us that a Bush twin got drunk and went to a party

in college.

We here are DU have daily posts from drunken, stoned adults far beyond their college years.

We're no better in that sense.

[physioex]

11. I don't care what they do with their lives....

It's the hypocrisy and the double standard. Why does your post not mention the way Chelsea got treated by El Drugbo?

The apple doesn't fall far from the trees, and they are nothing more than spoiled rich brats who got their education through affirmative action.

Sign their manicured asses up and send them to the frontlines of Iraq and I will vote for Shrub....

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

17. I hate and deplore Rush Limbaugh's comment about Chelsea.

If that's justification for the vicious sexism and mysogyny about the Bush twins that goes on constantly here, then the Right Wing is setting our standards of progressiveness for us.

If that's what you want, you're welcome to it. Not me. I believe we're supposed to be better. "Mommy! They did it first!" is far beneath us.

Actually, it isn't. But it should be.

[mzmolly]

14. I agree. That thread certainly doesn't belong in GD04, if it belongs at

all.

[CatWoman]

15. That's what the "ignore thread" function is for

fuck them, their parents, their grandparents, their friends, their neighbors and their fucking dog.

[ronnykmarshall]

92. But I like that dog.

:silly:

[Catfight]

18. You're right, we shouldn't mention how chubby they are and how

much like their father they are like partying and drinking. We shouldn't make fun of them for sticking their tongues out and being arrogant because that's how their parents are. We should always keep that bar nice and low for any one with the last name Bush, because they certainly don't know how to live above the gutter. We should respect women who defer to stupid men, that's the ticket!


NOT! If you're a Bush twin, youre dad is a fucking AWOL Coke-head hypocrite who is ruining this country, oh and he cheated to get where he's at, that's why everyone hates him. He's a loser who is easily manipulated to believe in the lies. We call that Zombies for Bush here at DU. I have zero respect for ANY women who supports Bush, he HATES women! It's like women sticking with their abusers, it's a very co-dependent unhealthy relationship.

Healthy, Independent, Intelligent women VOTE KERRY!

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

23. If cameras followed you around 24/7 during your college years,

we could find plenty of opportunities to make you seem "gutter." And we have no idea who they're voting for.

[Lefty48197]

67. You seem pretty confident of that statement.

I just can't imagine her being 'gutter'.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

72. Yes, I AM confident of it. I am confident that ANY American who has the

means to be in college at all -- unless they are attending Bob Jones University, and probably even then -- has said and/or done "gutter" things during those years of age 18-22. I am absolutely confident of it.

[Lefty48197]

86. I know lots of people that don't drink.

and have never lived in the gutter. Nice of you to generalize about all of them.

[randr]

19. I agree, enough information is already available

for anyone to make a comparison between the character of the children of the last 3 or 4 presidents and draw their own conclusions.
The differences could not be starker.

[0rion]

21. I think Barbara is gorgeous. Jenna is a no good drunkard.

I really like Barbara. She's gorgeous AND smart, maybe I would respect her more if she broke ranks with her families political affiliation, kinda like Ronald Reagan Junior, but I like Barbara. I think she's just gorgeous and a smart girl, maybe she'll recognize how evil the rest of her family is and break ranks.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

25. What's a ho-bag? My father is a conservative, and I've gotten drunk

and had sex. Am I a ho-bag?

How dare you call any woman a ho-bag?

[0rion]

31. You're right. I apologize.

I still think Barbara is a hottie.

[physioex]

35. Yes......It does

However you don't go around imposing your views on others or take away two consenting adults right to have a relationship.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

42. Mods, PLEASE leave this personal attack up.

It says it all. This is what the "progressive" mindset here REALLY is among "progressive" men.

PLEASE leave this up, mods. He says I'm a ho-bag because I've gotten drunk and had sex. So much for progressive values among men.

[physioex]

46. It's not a personal attack...

I am saying you don't preach one thing yet do something else...

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

51. I asked if my having sex and getting drunk made me a ho-bag.

You said, "Yes, it does."

That is a perfect example of the "progressive" mindset among men on DU.

[physioex]

55. Not sure why your so worried about....

"Progressive" mindset? I don't see anything wrong with it.....

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

58. You see nothing wrong with calling women ho-bags.

Sadly, I believe you.

[Lefty48197]

70. You just called somebody "gutter". How dare YOU?

.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

73. If you live in America and have the money/means/opportunity

to attend college at all, then YES, if we followed you around for four years with a camera, we could find you being gutter. Myself included. Read the rest of the thread -- DU men have dubbed me a "ho-bag" because I've gotten drunk and had sex.

[Lefty48197]

88. They impugned one person. You impugned the entire human race.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

112. On DU, they do!

A conservative jackass made one comment about Chelsea over a decade ago. That makes it okay to call women skanks, sluts, and ho-bags forever, as long as we don't like their father.

Right?

[henslee]

27. How come no one ever talks about the Nader twins. They are hot....

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

29. Their father is not a conservative, that's why. DU allows men to trash

women if we don't like their parents.

[Lefty48197]

63. Newsflash: We Democrats hate Nader too. There goes your theory.

.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

68. Show me one thread where Nader's daughters are the target of

vicious, mysogynistic, sexually vulgar comments of a highly sexist nature.

[Lefty48197]

99. Well now you're changing the subject.

"Their father is not a conservative, that's why. DU allows men to trash women if we don't like their parents"

You stated that DU allows men to trash women if we don't like their parents. I stated that a WHOLE LOT of us DUers hate Nader. Neither you, nor I have seen bashing of the Nader daughters in here, even though their father is hated. The logic of your statement falls apart at that point. Since Nader is hated, the bashing of his daughters MUST be allowed by DU. But I don't see any. What was the problem again? I'm getting confused.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

117. DUers don't CHOOSE to bash his daughters because their father is not

a conservative.

[Malva Zebrina]

32. Yup drinking and forging an ID is just ole college stuff

getting arrested for drinking underage, breaking the law actually, is just plain ole college stuff. Then, doing it again, is just plain old college stuff. We all did that--not.

And now there they are, stumping for their DAD, the insane fascist like unelected president who has brought this country into two, no, three wars if you want to count the "war on terrorism'"and brags he is a war president. Well they are bragging that they are the daughters of the war president and their seamy background is just plain ole college stuff. They are supporting their deserter Dad, while supporting the bashing of all the vets he has damaged with his refusal to back off the SBV ads. But that is just plain old college stuff.

Yup, just poor little rich girls whose background of breaking the law, is just plain ole college stuff. Being slutty and dressing slutty is just plain old college stuff and so is getting drunk and having sex with another drunk is just plain old college stuff we all do.

So lay off the lawbreaking, sluts, because we all get drunk and have sex with the nearest hole.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

36. Who have they had sex with? Give one name and one piece of evidence.

If drinking were something you objected to, you'd be in the lounge every night bashing other DUers for posting drunk and stoned. You enjoy spewing your venom and hatred at two young women who may or may not be acting of their own free will. That's fine -- DU permits that. Just be honest and admit it.

You believe the spin that they really support him? What other spin do you believe? If they're telling the truth about that, what else are they telling the truth about?

[Malva Zebrina]

96. I think we are all acting of our own free will

are we not?

Twenty two year women are acting by their own free will.

Are they not?

If not, then they can be considered to be in the same catagory as children.

Are they?

It is not 'spin" that they support Bush. It is there in black and white and in color. By the looks of the photos, they enjoy it.

I don't know what you are talking about re drinking and going to DU boards to say something about it. ?? You are the one who brought up the subject of drinking to the point of drunkeness and sex as a college thing and I pointed out the breaking of the law by the Bush daughters, not once but twice, with the forging of a license and wondered , skeptically, if that also was a college thing.

As for spewing venom, I suggest you might want to reread your intro as well as your response to me.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

37. Who have they had sex with? Give one name and one piece of evidence.

If drinking were something you objected to, you'd be in the lounge every night bashing other DUers for posting drunk and stoned. You enjoy spewing your venom and hatred at two young women who may or may not be acting of their own free will. That's fine -- DU permits that. Just be honest and admit it.

You believe the spin that they really support him? What other spin do you believe? If they're telling the truth about that, what else are they telling the truth about?

On edit: And unless you are a virgin who has never tasted alcohol, you're a hypocrite.

[physioex]

43. No one here is against drinking for us or the twins...

It's the hypocrisy that they preach. On one hand he feels he is guided by "God" and yet his family has done more drugs and booze than 95% of the people here at DU.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

45. Again, you don't know what the twins believe, and you have

NEVER heard them "preach."

And, again, I'd be willing to bet that if a camera followed you around through four years of college, we could make you seem like a drunk, too. (The media distorting something? NEVER.)

[Walt Starr]

41. I disagree. They have opened themselves up to every slimy nasty

attack imaginable.

That's how it now works in Bush;s America. Anything goes, no holds barred, nothing is sacred.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

53. Bush sets your standards of behavior? How nice.

Not mine.

[Lefty48197]

75. Michael Dukakis refused to get into the gutter with George Bush too

look where it got him. No thanks. I'm going to fight, and I'll fight as dirty as it takes. The difference is that our policies won't ruin the country like theirs do. Refusing to fight is a recipe for letting the Bush family rummage through our pockets again. No thanks.

[TeeYiYi]

90. This is true . . .

. . . they're both free, white and over 21. The thing that opens them up to attack over Chelsea Clinton is that Chelsea was underage and she didn't stump for her father. The Bush twins are legitimate targets now, just like the Kerry girls, just like *Shrub and Pickles and just like the 'two Johns'. All's fair in love, war . . . and politics — as the RNC Convention is making abundantly clear.

TYY

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

94. What does "WHITE" have to do with anything?

And this crap on DU started long before they were anywhere near 21.

[TeeYiYi]

101. Well that didn't take long . . .

. . . have you got a little bi-curious crush on one of them Walt? Which one?

TYY

[Beaverhausen]

44. Please lets not lower ourselves to the freepers level

We aren't voting for these girls. They are young and they don't deserve to be criticized.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

47. We are already far below the freepers' level.

They tell clueless jokes about Hillary having balls. They do not stoop to the level of "ho-bag" and making comments about all that matters in a woman is whether or not she swallows.

Freepers are more progressive than we are on this. It saddens me to my core, but it is the truth.

[physioex]

52. My be it's time to fight fire with fire....EOM

Screw the "high road" nonsense. Look at the results it has gotton us so far....

[Lefty48197]

76. You called one poster "gutter" and another a "drunk"

Are you sure you don't WRITE the ads for Team Bush?

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

80. I'm calling no one anything. I'm simply turning around the hatred here

on the posters in very mild ways.

I have not seen anyone in the Bush camp call anyone a drunk or a ho-bag. That seems to be the job of we progressives. Sadly.

[Lefty48197]

109. Speaking of sad....

Here's a couple of quotes from YOU:

"If cameras followed you around 24/7 during your college years, we could find plenty of opportunities to make you seem gutter"

"And, again, I'd be willing to bet that if a camera followed you around through four years of college, we could make you seem like a drunk, too"

Oh, I guess I was WRONG. You didn't call the posters "gutter" or "drunk" you just asserted that YOU could make them seem that way. That's a cop out way of accusing people of doing things when you have NO idea whether they've done those things or not. Coincidentally, that's EXACTLY what you're accusing others of doing.

[against all enemies]

48. Are you the one with the cute butt or the nice... never mind.

Gee you feel bad that Georgie's kids are being made fun of, I feel bad that kids that aren't Georgie's' are dying. Get over it.

[abrock]

49. I don't fault the Bush girls for being born to History's Greatest Monster

However, I do fault them for supporting that monster now that they are grown up and can make independent decisions.

Look at Ron Reagan. Do you see him tonguing the collective GOP baloon knot? No, you see him writing brilliantly crafted think-pieces like this:

http://www.esquire.com/cgi-bin/printtool/print.cgi?pages=5&filename=%2Ffeatures%2Farticles%2F2004%2F040729_mfe_reagan.html&x=22&y=17

In conclusion: Ron Reagan and thinking for yourself = good. Bush girls and sucking up to daddy because he's the pres = bad.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

54. I call bullshit on you starting a thread defending them

Let's get one thing straight. I agree with you on the sexist, mysogynist language. That is the ONLY thing I agree with you about.

The Bush twins are campaigning for their father. That is what we know. That is worth criticising since he wants his daughters to be left alone but then politicizes them OR they then politicized themselves.

For you to create some facts NOT admitted into evidence such as that they were threatened into campaigning for him is pure poppycock.

I am ALL FOR criticizing them as his spokespeople. They have had every privilege that can be afforded to an individual and are unintelligent and inarticulate.

They are FAIR game as spokespeople, and they CERTAINLY don't need to be defended here at DU.

If you want to defend John Kerry's or John Edward's daughters, go right ahead. Fuck the Bush twins.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

64. No one on DU calls the Kerry daughters -- not even the one in the

see-through dress and no bra -- a ho-bag, skank, slut, or whore. If they did, I'd defend them. They don't need defending here. DU's "progressive"ness only extends to people who have parents we like.

That's sickening.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

69. I already said I agreed with your assessment of the sexist language

The Bush daughters are the opposition. They are fair game for criticism in that regard.

What is sickening is your righteous indignation and the crap you made up about them being threatened into campaigning for him. If you started a thread solely for the basis of evaluating the sexist language I would be 1000 percent behind you...but for you to REPEATEDLY slam DU and progressivism throughout this thread for the posts of a handful of people is pure crap.

[DemUpJellyTight]

74. Why all the hate?

Try not to project your paranoia on others and you may live longer without such self-inflicted stress.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

81. If there's any projecting, it's on your part.

I said they were fair game as political opponents. Got a problem with that? What is your specific problem with that?

[Name removed]

104. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

77. Read this thread fully. We have men on DU who see nothing

wrong with calling women (myself included) ho-bags. They do not see it at all as incompatible with progressivism.

I am disgusted at the hypocrisy in believing that the Bush daughters act voluntarily just because Bush says they do. We don't believe a damn word that lying bastard says -- UNLESS it offers a convenient reason to attack his children and a nice cover for DU men to call them sluts, skanks, ho-bags, and worse. That's just wrong.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

84. If people call them sluts, skanks etc..hit the alert

the posts will be removed as it is against the rules to do so on DU. But, it appears you set the stage for this confrontation with your OP.

Beyond that, you are conveniently manufacturing facts in order to support your point.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

87. I do, constantly. Sometimes they go, sometimes they don't.

Have you ever gotten drunk and had sex, NSMA? According to a lot of men here, that makes you (like me, in an earlier post in this thread) a ho-bag.

If that's a good standard for a progressive community, well then, OK.

If not, the only way it will change is for women to stop ignoring it.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

95. Yeah..so you conveniently chose the Bush twins to make that point?

No it isn't a good standard for ANY community...but I seem to recall a few statements you made about gay women that you protested vehemently when people tried to bring your rhetoric to your attention...get it now?

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

100. Who did I call a skank, a slut, or a ho-bag?

My personal discomfort with the idea of me, myself, having sex with another woman is irrelevant. Why don't you hi-jack this thread and turn it into an argument between me and you so the men can point, say "catfight" and laugh? That will reinforce their stereotypes. Maybe they can offer us beer, which will make us ho-bags, too.

See how stupid this is becoming?

On edit: I brought up the Bush twins when about half the GD04 page was threads making sexist comments about them. That's the "convenience" -- DU offers it in the form of relentless sexism and cracks about "swallowing."

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

106. And you COULD have hit the alert. The mods might not have gotten to

the posts immediately but they would have. Instead, you have used this thread to TAR the entire progressive movement and DU with this crap. I call BULLSHIT. You just did it again,"DU offers it in the form of relentless sexism and cracks about "swallowing." Tar ALL of us for a few posters...gee that's no broad brush you got there.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

108. The DUers rushing to decry sexist language (so far there are how many?)

in this thread is a good idea of DU's true consciousness.

Sorry. Reality's painful, isn't it?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

113. I think you're seeing what you want to see which again calls YOUR intent

into question. As I read down the thread, I see a handful of people acting like asses and defending their poor behavior and NUMEROUS posts that are agreeing with you in essence.

No this thread is NOT a good idea of DU's true consciousness. DU is a message board. The only consciousness related in any of the posts is the consciousness of the people posting the ideas. There you go manufacturing facts to suit yourself again.

[Malva Zebrina]

116. I dunno, I have seen Bush called a bastard and a prick

Is that sexist?

[Name removed]

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[Lefty48197]

79. no no no. The Bush girls get to go out and campaign for votes, but we have

to pretend that they don't exist. At least that's how I understand this thread. Hey, let's pretend that FOX news doesn't exist either. Or how about the Christian Coalition, or the NRA, or...
Sorry, we've ignored the right for too long. They've got a fight on their hands.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

85. You're comparing them to FOX News? ROFLMAO.

Yeah, a couple of college kids nervously stuttering is equal to the #1 media whore outlet. RIGHT.

If we let them campaign and said nothing, the way they come across speaks for itself. When we start calling them the sexist, mysogynist, disgusting stuff that we do, we tell the undecided voters (MOST of whom are WOMEN) that our liberalism on women's issues only goes so far -- if we don't like your dad, you're fair game. If you've ever gotten drunk or if we even THINK you've had sex, you're a ho-bag.

WE, right here at DU (which was recently quoted in major media AGAIN) do far more damage to our side than the Bush twins could EVER do.

[Lefty48197]

111. The right wing is one big happy family and the Bush girls are princesses

Please don't pretend that they're little fragile ceramic dolls that we should look at and admire. They're the new generation of hate spewing right wing Republicans. This week is their "coming out" party.

[The Hair in my Nose]

57. For all you know, I could be one of the Bush twins.

Great line.

Attacking a candidate's kids on a public forum is sheer stupidity.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

62. There are SO MANY undecided voters. They turn to the internet for

insight from "DEMOCRATIC Underground," and what do they get?

Ho-bag. Slut. Skank. All that matters is if she swallows.

Yeah, that's GREAT for progressive causes, huh?

[Lefty48197]

60. Let's leave the Bush daughters alone. Even the fat drunken one.

:evilgrin:

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

65. DU was recently quoted in the WSJ. I wonder how many moderate

women, undecided voters, will come here and see that comment?

[Lefty48197]

82. WallNut Journal is a right wing sh&t wipe.

Do you really think that they will lead MODERATES to this forum? Yeah right. So will FOX news.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

89. Plenty of conservatives hate Bush, too.

Ever heard of Republicans for Kerry? I wonder if the women in that organization would feel comfortable signing up as Dems after reading on DU about how college girls who've gotten drunk and, DU men imagine, had sex are skanks, sluts, and ho-bags.

[Lefty48197]

114. Yes, they're probably flocking to the unnecessary war President

because we're a bunch of drunk gutter sluts, and are comparatively WORSE than the chimp in chief.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. We Must Have Our Tin Foil Hats On...

I doubt AWOL uses the Secret Service to intimidate his daughters...


I don't like Bush one iota but I believe like most parents their love for their children is unconditional...

[troublemaker]

78. Fuck this noise. They are working to destroy America.

[Lefty48197]

83. I agree. If we don't fight, then we lose. We can't afford to lose.

anymore.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

Sorry, but I have more respect for Kerry than to think that the Bush twins

will make him lose. I think it'll take middle America being scared away from the Democratic party by extremism and hate to do that.

[Lefty48197]

115. You think Democrats are hateful?

Haven't you been paying attention to the Republicans for the last couple of decades? You probably should. They'll teach you what hate is all about. Sign up here: www.freakrepublicans.com

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

91. That's hysterical.

Some stuttering college kids saying "like" every other word on TV are destroying America? DU does far more damage to our side than they could ever dream of doing by all this mysogynistic, sexist hate speech.

[RetroLounge]

98. oooh, more DU'ers are destroying our side. Run away!

Well, I don't know who's side you are on, but I say screw these pig spawns and the hell with being nice.

Being nice got us jack-shit.

Post like these are a waste of space.

RL

[zulchzulu]

93. Heck, they ain't worth even thinking about...

Ah.

I'm sure they are nice gals and all that.

I do like that they are sorta badasses.

Maybe they will flip the old man out and be their own, natural, weed-smokin', rum drinkin' liberal selves.

After the old man gets his ass kicked back to Crawford on Election Day...

... they'll hate him.

Maybe Rove could make an example of them as not being truly Holy In The Eyes Of The Halliburton God, PNAC. Bush would go for it. He and Laura are doing the Meds Dance and their daughters never call. They have to send the Secret Service to screw them and get them in a shower.



The guy who looks like a punked-out 1969 John Kerry is actually their drug supplier.

..Developing...

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

97. I wish for that, too. Do you think there's a chance in hell they will

EVER do the damage to the GOP that they could do with a public revolt? Who're they going to run to? The progressive party that calls them skanks, sluts, and ho-bags?

[Carni]

102. If you ARE one of those dimwits you should be ashamed of yourself

I hold ALL bush apologists accountable for their vile actions and the destruction of this country.

I have ZERO sympathy for those two moron daughters of his and if you are one of them three words for you...

GROW A SPINE

[johnnie]

105. I don't read a lot of the bashing on the women posts

I do have to say though, they are adult women. I don't buy the college excuse. By their age I was a responsible working adult. I was held responsible for my actions and if I did wrong I paid for it.
Just because people go to college, it doesn't buy them an excuse for being irresponsible. I partied at that age, but I worked and payed for my existence.
If the women are out in public campaigning for their pops, then they deserve as much criticism as any of the others. I'm not advocating any sexist or hateful actions or words toward them, but I don't condemn anyone from speaking their minds.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

110. But we on DU, as a whole, don't bash them for not being

responsible. We call them skank, slut, ho-bag, sweaty slut, and make cracks about how all that matters is that they swallow.

You're talking about reasonable criticism, even though I think it's pointless to criticize anyone as ineffectual at campaigning as they are (like we don't have better targets for our time and energy?). I'm talking about the reality of DU's criticism. Vicious, mysogynistic, hate speech. If that's the "minds" from which DU speaks, then yes, I'll condemn it.

I appreciate your reasonableness and partly agree with you.

Thanks.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

118. My final points (I'm sorry, this thread is taking forever to load.)

1. If the Bush twins had the freedom to denounce their father, and I'm not at all convinced that they do, exactly where would they run to? To us? To Democrats, to the "progressive" party that uses sexist, mysogynistic, disgusting language about them? That calls them ho-bags, skanks, sluts, and worse?

2. The Bush twins are totally ineffectual as campaigners. The idea that anyone here really believes they're helping his campaign is just hysterical. DUers are smarter than that. That's a convenient excuse to use more mysogynistic language.

3. Either Bush is a liar, or he isn't. This phony family-love spin story that they wanted to help their Daddy came straight from the Bush camp. If he's telling the truth about that, we can't automatically call him a liar on all other issues. If he's telling the truth about that, what else is he telling the truth about?

4. The hatred and extremism in our party about these two young women is far more damaging to our side than they could ever be.

5. MOST undecided voters are women. The high levels of sexism and mysogyny we Democrats use in discussing conservative women, but especially the Bush twins, will not endear us to them.

Thank you and goodnight.

Dawn

[Moderator]

119. Locking

This thread has gone on long enough and people have made their views quite well known.