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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 08:58 AM
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To Everyone Poo-Pooing About New Attention to the McCain's Drug Problems:
It strengthens the frame of his character.

He is a Liar. He Abuses Power. He is an Entitled Elite. He is a Lobbyist Lover. He is a Neo-B*sh. He is a War Monger. He is Confused. He Can'e be Trusted.
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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:00 AM
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1. Ya ya, we know that, but they will just say, Its a disgruntled ex employee seeking attention
And all the stupid voters(and the media) will believe them.


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:00 AM
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2. And...he's certainly NOT the man to lead on the TRANSPARENCY issue as he is claiming.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:01 AM
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3. More of the Secretive Same.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:13 AM
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14. Neither one of them are..
fit to lead..we've a bunch of "actors"..who's desperately trying to baffle the D's..ignore them and let the D's stick to the issues. The investigators are working to get the truth, and hope they look in the garbage.
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:01 AM
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4. How many times are you going to post about this dead end?
Many details have been released from his "journal" before and it was in the public record of his wrongful termination suit which was dismissed in 1995.

None of this is new, its just a NEWER audience.

In fact he use the same line 16 years ago as used on the guys he sold the story to this time only this time its cancer that gave him the courage.

From 1994:
Until now, Gosinski has not spoken on the record to the press. It has taken months of cajoling, Cindy McCain's public admission and the release of documents relating to the extortion investigation to convince him to open up.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:05 AM
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5. The newer audience is worth it.
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 09:06 AM by tekisui
The more this story can become part of the campaign story, they better for us. I just don't understand why so many are unwilling to make it more.

If the shoe were on the other foot, just imagine. If Michelle Obama had almost overdosed, and Barack used his position to cover it up. Good god, it's be over.

Oh well, I guess it's not worth the time. We'll just let this one be swept out of sight, too. You'll see no more OP from me on it. BTW, it was only 2.
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:07 AM
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7. Because its even on Cindy McCains wikipedia entry, It just looks stupid to beat a dead horse
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 09:11 AM by Boz
Theres nothing to add to PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_McCain
Prescription drug addiction

In 1989, Cindy McCain became addicted to Percocet and Vicodin, opioid painkillers,<38> which she initially took to alleviate pain following two spinal surgeries for ruptured discs,<39><40> and to ease emotional stress during the Keating Five affair.<38> The addiction progressed to where she was taking upwards of twenty pills a day,<15> and she resorted to having an AVMT physician write illegal prescriptions.<41> In 1992, her parents staged an intervention to force her to get help;<22> she told her husband about her problem, attended a drug treatment facility, began outpatient sessions, and ended her three years of addiction.<38> Surgery in 1993 resolved her back pain.<38><40>

In January 1993, an AVMT employee, who had discovered her illegal drug use, was terminated on budgetary grounds.<42> Subsequently, he tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration,<42> and a federal investigation ensued resulting in McCain paying the costs of the government's investigation, and enrolling in a diversion program.<41><10><42> In a move that critics described as a preemptive strike,<10><38> Cindy McCain publicly revealed her past addiction: "Although my conduct did not result in compromising any missions of AVMT, my actions were wrong, and I regret them."<10>




And that employee kept his mouth shut for 3 years until he offered to continue to keep his mouth shut for 250 000 dollars and only released the info teh first time to put leverage on that deal, theres no way that plays for us if we hang our hat on him its no differrnt than those that listened to Larry Sinclair.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:12 AM
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12. I agree
If MANY have not seen it, then it's NEWS to them, and might make them feel like this guy shits on everyone.

There's been a concerted effort to HELP McCAIN by quashing this story. It's BULLSHIT.

It goes in the pot with the rest of the stew.

Adds another piece of the puzzle to McCain's CHARACTER, Temperament, etc.

Don't listen to people that are Scared SHITLESS that the scary Media will think they are DUMB.. the Media Already SAYS those thing, what they think doesn't matter.

Why do these people want to HELP McCain? IS it because they are mad at Obama for NOT choosing Hillary?
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:15 AM
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16. The guy that "Broke" the Story this time is ANTI OBAMA
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 09:23 AM by Boz
His name is Matt Stoller, Heres a few of his other hits

OBAMA IS DONE
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1307

and

"here's a shout-out to the crappy Obama advisor circle, David Axelrod, David Plouffe, Jim Margolis, Devorah Adler, and the whole gang out there. You suck!"
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1475

So yeah, just my opinion to not put my hope on a 15 year old dead story by a guy who rips up Obama, but to actually place my hopes on the hopes and work of Obama himself.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 05:33 PM
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27. You're looping friend
we've heard it, now give others a chance to shoot it down, astro-turfing the DU with your Opinion as FACT is just plain wrong..
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:24 AM
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20. Posting it on DU again and again is not a new audience.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:25 AM
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21. 2 times.
Jesus, you really want this story to go away. Is that you OD Cindy?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:11 AM
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11. MOST people still haven't heard these details. Why discourage a widespread dissemination of this
man's observations? I am a very engaged reader of political stories, and I heard nothing about these details, though I was quite familiar with the story that she did have a drug problem and used her charity to feed her habit. The details about Mccain SHOULD get wider play. He cast himself as a bystander in that ordeal....he LIED....again....and again.
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:12 AM
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13. This has been a single sourced story for 15 years, think about that.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:37 AM
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25. So? Why does that change anything? If the story was false, have hospital personnel come forward
to dispute any of the accounts?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:05 AM
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6. He protected his wife
Is how it will be spun.
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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:08 AM
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9. Precisely
Plus there is no evidence. Just one guy's word. You don't neeed to be OJ to get out of this one.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:07 AM
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8. OP is aiding/abetting the McCain plan to make this election about personalities. thanks a lot nt
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:09 AM
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10. Except that the War on Drugs is madness on par with the War on Terror.
Whooping up a drug story also highlights Joe Biden's drug warrior credentials, which hurts him on the Left.
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:17 AM
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17. Gee didnt Obama have a drug problem,He still has a career he must have used his power to cover it up
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:17 AM
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18. He's not using his career to END THE WAR ON DRUGS, that's for sure! nt
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:14 AM
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15. He is dishonorable and he behaves dishonorably and there is a record of it. nt
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:18 AM
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19. Can you say "Betty Ford" - I don't want to hear about Cindy's "courageous struggle with addiction"
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 09:19 AM by jberryhill
Really, I don't

When I have the spare time to develop an interesting addiction to something, then I'll have a victorious story of overcoming it someday too.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:26 AM
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22. Yes... it is a good angle... but it is a MINOR good angle...

We were led to believe this was going to be game-changing.


It's not.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:35 AM
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23. The Sooner we recognize that McCain has a teflon coating similar
to Regan, the better off we will be. Throw all the spaghetti at him
you wish, it does not stick long enough to be considered done.

The Way for us to win is get our candidate out there showing he can
be just as tough just as strong as any GOPer. He has to convice
people he has vision for the country.(For God sakes, do not say
I have a vision and think that will do it).

If anyone would take the time to listen to Republicans you might
learn something. They tell you their secret weapon over and over.
I have to conclude from this, our winesipping, brie eating, latte'lovers
feel it is better to lose than stoop to Republican Tactics.


Just this week, how many of you heard A. Castellanos, GOP Consultant
who plays to win, state clearly "Elections are won on emotions".
Whether we like it or not, he is correct.

It is emotion that has Palen in the winning position at the moment.
Let's be honest, It was emotion that put Obama where he is.

It is as much emotion as anything that makes McCain have a teflon
coat.

We can sit here and try to play Gotcha. First of all Democrats
are not good at gotcha. They do not seem to be willing to jump
on a point and as a party get out there and yell like hell about
it. The first time the Media raises an eyebrow they cower.

Perfect example. The latest manufactured mess about lipstick.


To win our party--our party, not just our candidate has got
to show we have a vision, explain that vision and how we get
there. We must learn to show passion, speak from the cuff
with meaning. All those Super Delegates who supporterd Obama
in Primary must get their mouths moving on TV. No disrespect
but putting political hacks on TV is not a good selling point.







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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:35 AM
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24. their defense is always
"the investigation is political"

they are using that in Alaska right now (a case where it makes ZERO sense). I really don't give a hoot what "they" say, since everything they say is designed to manipulate the system through making us feel like we shouldn't be going there. Bullshit! This is our country and that is our constitution and they serve US, supposedly. How dare they mock an attempt to determine if things are on the right path, if there have been abuses of power? This is the foundation of America! We are not in a tyranny (yet).
I am also tired of how their contempt and disgust (this is political, etc) continues to make us embarrassed we asked.

A question to ask is if that is so, why is it always the Republicans who think their investigations are nonsense but any investigation into a Dem is a matter of patriotism?

Reframe the question: Because this is about the fucking constitution and I am sick and tired of the world acting like it doesn't matter just because the Republicans have a dismissive attitude about it.

It damn well does matter. we die for it.

they need to show it the respect it deserves or NOT run for public office, where they swear to UPHOLD It.

I don't know about you anyone else, but I still EXPECT these people to be telling the truth (EXPECT) when they take the oath of office.

Why aren't there 8 million shady accusations of abuse of power coming out against Biden or Obama? Juuuuust the Crazy One and her Master?

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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:58 AM
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26. It also shows that they have a sham marriage.
He's never there and has to fly in from somewhere to cover things up.

I can't see that they've lived together in, like, 20 years.
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