!!!ON 7th Anniversary of 9/11-BUSHCO CLAIMS BIN LADEN WAS-NOT-MASTERMIND OF 9/11!!!

[kpete]

MAJOR MIND FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, kp


On 7th Anniversary Of Attacks,
White House Claims Bin Laden Was Not The ‘Mastermind’ of Sept. 11

Tomorrow marks the seventh anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. In a press conference today, a reporter asked White House Press Secretary Dana Perino about the administration’s ongoing efforts to find Osama bin Laden, calling him the “mastermind” of 9/11. Perino interrupted the reporter, claiming bin Laden was not the true “mastermind” of the attacks:

Q But Osama bin Laden is the one that — you keep talking about his lieutenants, and, yes, they are very important, but Osama bin Laden was the mastermind of 9/11 –

PERINO: No, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the mastermind of 9/11, and he’s sitting in jail right now.

VIDEO & more at:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/10/seventh-anniversary-white-house/

[librechik]

1. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!! n/t

[Berry Cool]

9. OMG, are they SERIOUS????

They are retroactively declaring themselves as having captured the mastermind of 9/11 so they don't HAVE to go after OBL after all!

That's just too insanely funny!!

[JohnnyRingo]

59. I like that pic...

...here's JohnnyRingo learning to drive, circa 1957:



That's my Ranch Wagon. Green all the way.

[dionysus]

82. wah johnny ringo.... you're no daisy, no daisy a'tall...

[tallahasseedem]

2. We have officially entered bizarro world.

WTF?

[Emit]

3. Up is down, black is white, peace is war, etc., etc.

When will it all end?

[maseman]

4. You MUST be fucking kidding me right?

All the BS we heard about Osama and now he isn't the mastermind?

PLEASE.

[muntrv]

5. Then Dana, why the fuck do we still have to stay in Iraq and Afghnistan?

[JackBeck]

6. But I thought Osama was the President of the Iraq, which is why we attacked them.

And then the oceans no longer protected us so Osama came over here to run for President.

You know, for a Muslim, that Osama sure has a crazy Pastor.

[librechik]

24. They meant "Obama" so they're attacking him now that he's running for POTUS!

yikes!

[Kittycat]

7. Oh what the fuck?

[jenmito]

8. Ever since they caught, tortured, and got KSM to "confess" everything from

being the mastermind of 9/11 to beheading Daniel Pearl (which we KNOW is false), they've been calling him the "mastermind of 9/11." :eyes: It's false, of course.

[Berry Cool]

10. Look, I know he shot J.R., stole the kishka, put the bomp in the bomp-ba-bomp-pa-bomp

wrote the Book of Love and let the dogs out, but...masterminding 9/11????

When does he sleep????

[jenmito]

14. He DOESN'T sleep-that was part of his torture which was what made him make up all

those fake confessions. But I HAVE heard that many times already.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

16. I love this post! It made me laugh at the absurdity of Bushco. nt

[WinkyDink]

56. Best. Post. Ever.

Well, maybe second to "DONT TUTCH THE BUT!"

[Monk06]

62. You forgot the Twin cities bridge collapse and the sub prime mortgage collapse and higher oil prices

[Bake]

88. Don't forget the Lindbergh kidnapping!

He did that too.

Bake

[leveymg]

70. KSM was the mastermind of the "Bojinka Plot" of 1995, but wasn't at the Kuala Lumpur planning summit

where the 9/11 and USS Cole attacks were mapped out. These guys were, and they were also waterboarded multiple times: see, http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/332

***

Both Zubaydah and al-Nashiri played instrumental roles in the 9/11 attacks. Zubaydah knew all about the CIA’s role in training the 9/11 hijackers, and the U.S. was well aware of the details of the planned attack. See, TORTURE VIDEO: WHAT THE CIA DOESN’T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT ABU ZUBAYDAH, http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/10/1...

Abu Zubaydah ran training camps in Afghanistan, where he trained six of the 9/11 hijackers, including Flight 77 squad leader Nawaf al-Hazmi. The 9/11 attackers were passed to him by a second al-Qaeda logistics expert, Luai Sakka, with whom he also worked organizing the so-called Millenium attacks. Researcher Paul Thompson has identified Sakka as a likely double-agent, working for U.S. and Syrian intelligence. Sakka is now in Turkish custody.

It has been reported tha Zubaydah has been driven insane. This is a common outcome among those who have been subjected to long periods of torture. Water boarding results in particularly serious neurological and psychological damage. Zubaydah’s memories may have been effectively erased by oxygen deprivation during repeated water boarding. Without killing him, that insured that he wouldn’t be able to provide credible testimony, later. The missing tapes would document that process of erasing or rearranging his memories. As to whether that was the primary purpose of waterboarding this particular detainee, we may never know.

Like most torture measures used by CIA, water-boarding leaves no tell-tale marks on the surface of the body, and is no doubt easier to explain in an after-action report than the death of a high-value detainee.

The second al-Qaeda figure whose interrogation tape Hayden claims the Agency destroyed in 2005 is Abd al-Rahom al-Nashiri, allegedly al-Qaeda’s planning chief for the Persian Gulf. See, http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5geGD7gz... ; also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Rahim_...

Al-Nashiri was present at the January 2000 al-Qaeda planning summit held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia at which the 9/11 attack and the bombing of the USS Cole were mapped out. He is reportedly the mastermind of the Cole attack. Flt.77 hijacker Nawaf Al-Hazmi was also involved in organizing the Cole attack. Al-Hazmi had been under CIA and British surveilance since the mid-1990s. Also present at that meeting with al-Nashiri and al-Midhar was fellow Flt.77 hijacker, Khalid al-Midhar. The Agency and “a half-dozen allied services“ monitored the Kuala Lumpur meeting, and then tracked al-Midhar and al-Hazmi as they proceeded on to Thailand, before boarding a January 15 flight to Los Angeles. Upon their arrival at LAX, the CIA Counter-Terrorism Center (CTC) drafted a cable alerting the FBI. That notice was, apparently, never sent following an order to withhold it pending the approval of higher CIA officers. The FBI reportedly did no learn about al-Hazmi and al-Midhar were in the U.S. until late in the summer of 2001, when they looked at the role of al-Hazmi in organizing the Cole attack. See, http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/10/1... Ibid.. also, http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S002... ; http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:lt53d...

Beyond his water boarding, few details has been reported publicly about the testimony and condition of al-Nashiri. We have been told that Zubaydah was shot in the groin during capture, medication withheld. He was later water boarded, and is now described as insane. What is not mentioned in such reports is that his memories likely have been effectively erased by oxygen deprivation during repeated water boarding. Without killing him, that insured that he wouldn’t be able to provide credible testimony at a later date, after his usefulness had expired. The tapes, one can conclude, would document the process of rearranging his memories, along with those of al-Nashiri, who is also reported to have been water boarded.

If you want to preserve evidence, and obtain accurate testimony, repeated water boarding is the last thing you would do. But, intelligence collection apparently wasn’t the purpose of torturing Abu Zubaydah. Otherwise, they would have used other methods to extract information from that individual. As events showed, the CIA got the information it wanted soon after they captured Zubaydah, not through water boarding, but through deception.

As Mr. Posner pointed out, the CIA extracted the most valuable information simply by tricking Zubaydah into providing the names and confirming information about the five Saudi and Pakistani leaders who knew about the 9/11 attacks before the fact. That four of the five died as they did within a few short months thereafter, and Saudi Intelligence Chief al-Turki was spared, gives Posner's account a lot of credibility in my book.

To know why they erased the record of Zubaydah and al-Nashiri’s interrogations, just look at what they once knew, information that they will now likely never be able to testify about in open court.

[Solomon]

11. The sad and bitter irony is

they are right. Bin Laden didn't do it. I never, for one moment, from the moment it happened, believed it was Bin Laden. Never. They played the oldest trick in the book. Hell Caeser was doing it. Attack your own population if you want to seize dictator like power. Works every time without fail. Attack your own people and blame it on somebody else. All those Saudi's involved. And who has a relationship with the Saudis?

But even so, it still doesn't mean you don't get Bin Laden for whatever else he did.

[vaberella]

44. Agreed.

The Saudis were on the top of the list but we never touched them. Everyone involved had Saudi passports but we didn't do a single thing. First we went to Afghanistan to capture a "so-called" mastermind to find out he's not involved today. Then we go to Iraq for what?! I can't be here any longer.

I've been mentally and emotionally raped by my own government.

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[SwampG8r]

80. bin laden IS a saudi

[AlCzervik]

12. Guess what--look here---

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

tell what he is wanted for cuz 9/11 ain't it.

[stillcool]

21. I've never seen that..

Why would they leave it out? It's not like it has to be true or anything.

[AlCzervik]

22. it's been like that for a long time now. Makes you wonder doesn't it?

[LooseWilly]

13. And going after Saddam was because....

what then?

Because he didn't allow all the freedom to his subjects that the Myanmar military junta allows?... we needed them to have the 'freedoms' enjoyed by the North Koreans?... to ensure 'stability in the region'?...


On the other hand... GWB wasn't the mastermind of the war in Iraq... maybe this is a line to try to insulate him from war crimes prosecution down the line...

[bamacrat]

15. IMPEACH!!!

[vaberella]

43. I agree, this should lead to impeachment. This proves we've been in needless wars. n/t

[SoonerPride]

17. That's because Cheney was the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.

duh

[NoSheep]

49. ding.

[dixiegrrrrl]

76. I'll take "Treason" for 1200.00, Alex

[srhuddle]

18. Dear god!

I haven't been an impeachment supporter since the election season started (eons ago, it feels like) because I thought it might undermine our position with independents and Republican crossovers, but this is too much. Bring 'em down, this bullshit just gets worse and worse.

[Pab Sungenis]

19. We have always been at war with Eurasia.

We have always been allied with East Asia.

[Nine]

73. That about sums it up.

(Orwell "1984" reference for those who don't know)

[Jennicut]

20. They are only saying that cause the dumbasses never caught Bin Laden in the first place.

Sheesh. What did we ever go to Afghanistan for in the first place? They really have no clue or at least think we don't have a clue. Can you say lame duck?

[polly7]

66. Call me cynical, but

I believe it was for that pipeline. Just as Iraq was to de-nationalize the oil and install military bases as per PNAC. LIARS. 15 of the bombers were from Saudi Arabia, Dubya strolled around holding the Saudi Prince's hand.

http://www.ringnebula.com/Oil/Timeline.htm

[Dinger]

23. OBL Wasn't The "Mastermind" Of 9-11

bu$h/cheney had more to do with it than OBL did. I have believed that from the moment I learned of the attacks, and I will not change my mind. they MIHOP, period.

[New Earth]

26. I'm there with you

[goodgd_yall]

28. Yeah I'm one of those

nutty 9/11 conspiracists too. No idea how it was done, but with what has happened to the country after 9/11, I believe it was planned by Bush/Cheney or people closely associated with them. I've believed this for the past 6 years.

[Dinger]

29. There's Probably An Inner Circle

of 2 or 3 people ( *, cheney,and rove are my guess.

[msallied]

31. I feel in good company. I'm with you.

[dchill]

39. Me too.

Shhhhh!

[PerpetuallyDazed]

84. You don't even have to believe "they did it"

But how the hell do you refute THE DAMN PDB's and the fact THEY KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN YET DID NOTHING?? :grr:

[nc4bo]

69. I don't give a damn if I get labeled a tinfoil hat wearing nutfuck - ^^^ITA! nt

[bikoman]

71. Technically correct

OBL is the spiritual leader and money-man for Al-Queada.

Kahilid Sheik Mohammed WAS the mastermind.

Why all the fuss?

You guys are as bad as the stupid repubs and the lipstick bullshit.

[New Earth]

25. what in the fuck?

:wtf:

[Lugnut]

46. Yeah. No kidding.

That was my reaction to this tidbit. Stunning.

[goodgd_yall]

27. Oh, well that settles that

It's OK Bush never found Osama bin Laden.

Is this making the MSM tonight? Mind fuck is right!!

[smoochpooch]

30. If this is going to be their position from now on, I want them to stand up

in front of the American people and explain the last 7 years. Fuck them!!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

32. Is Bush finally owning up to 9/11?

[Pacifist Patriot]

33. Are you fucking kidding me?!?

[grannylib]

34. You have got to be kidding me...they put PetChow out there

to push THAT lie???
THAT'S what they're going with???
Wonder how long it will be before McAnus and Chatty Caribou Barbie will start repeating that ad nauseum at their conjoined appearances??

[ShadowLiberal]

35. Bush: Bin Laden is evil!!! Oh wait we didn't catch him? Well he wasn't the mastermind in that case

Bush: This scapegoat (shows a picture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed) was the mastermind. He was the mastermind because he was more cooperative at telling us what we wanted to hear when we waterboarded him. Forget all about that Bin Laden that I failed to capture, Bin Laden who?

[PerpetuallyDazed]

85. "I really don't spend much time thinking about him" (OBL) - Bush. n/t

[Duer 157099]

36. Um. But I thought KSM *was* the mastermind?

OBL may have been the figurehead, but from everything I read, he did not do the actual planning.

It'd be like saying Bush was the mastermind behind the Iraq war (LOL!!) when we know it was really people like Cheney, Rummy, et al.

What am I missing?

[malaise]

37. I agree with Perino

that Bin Laden was not the mastermind.

[lonestarnot]

38. K & R!

That twit! what nutfuckery I tell you! Nutfuckery!

[SalviaBlue]

40. UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE

Oh wait, this is the bush White House... I believe it. They are shameless.

Fucking pigs.

[vaberella]

41. Oh my God. I feel raped by all this. Even if Obama becomes Pres I still might relocate. n/t

[FourScore]

42. LIHOP n/t

[cynatnite]

45. The fucking idiots forgot about the tape where OBL says he ordered those attacks...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6363306/

Or about the FBI saying he did it...

http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/watson020602.htm

plus other evidence that has never been debunked.

morans

[Damian the LHP]

52. So have a lot of the people here.

Unfortunately, this place is a wretched hive of Twooferism and tinfoil hats.

[WinkyDink]

54. Because we all know the FBI is always truthful.

Not since Efrem Zimbalist, Jr., played an agent on TV.

[The Bakery Wagon]

57. When even your own Government official says sometimes the Government lies...

Which stories do you take at face value?

"It's easy to imagine an infinite number of situations where the government might legitimately give out false information," Olson said.

--Theodore Olson

Solicitor General Theodore Olson testified that U.S. officials have the right to lie to American citizens.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0326-02.htm

"If our government has a right to lie, then we citizens have a duty to be skeptical about official statements...."

!

[dixiegrrrrl]

78. Better make copies before the sites get erased, hmmmm???

[WinkyDink]

47. I thought he was sitting in the Vice-President's office, myself.

Oh, wait; that was the person in charge of identical "war games" over the NE Corridor on 9/11/01.

Coincidence is a wonderful thing.

[KitchenWitch]

48. Holy lipstick on a pig, Batman

Their evil and deceit knows no bounds.

[NoSheep]

50. And impeachment...is off...the table.

[and-justice-for-all]

53. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

They just admitted they have been lying for 7 years!

[KathieG]

55. Perino - "I reject your reality and substitute my own"

[JohnnyRingo]

58. The war is over!!!

We won!
WHOO HOO!!!
USA! USA! We're #1!!

Can we come home now?

[MrSlayer]

60. She's right that bin Laden wasn't the mastermind.

But it wasn't Khalid Sheikh Mohammed either.

[jmowreader]

61. Uhh...guys...they've been saying this for a while...

Osama told someone (they've been saying it's Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, but it could have been anyone) to run a major attack in the United States. That person figured out what to attack and how. He's your mastermind.

This doesn't relieve bin Laden of his culpability in the attack, it just says bin Laden didn't plan it himself--or, in their words, that he wasn't the "true mastermind" of the attacks. But as we learned in PLDC, a leader is responsible for everything his unit does or fails to do--and bin Laden is the leader of al Qaeda.

It ALSO doesn't relieve Bushco of any culpability they may have in them. Let's go into whole-roll-of-tinfoil-hat time and say Bush personally ordered the attacks. Bush isn't going to call Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to order the attacks; he's going to call bin Laden.

[mtnester]

63. I KNEW IT!

I have thought for awhile now I somehow crossed over to an alternate-universie, and I was right.

[democracy1st]

65. thanks kpete i'll put this video in the video section K & R

[Kablooie]

67. AAAAAHHHHH!!!! Keeping the world safe for ... and now for something completely different.

[Major Hogwash]

68. George Bush is a fucking traitor!!

[eshfemme]

72. OMFG, WTF!?!?!?!??!

I am just too incoherent from rage right now to say much more than that.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

74. It's fucking Animal Farm over there. With lipstick.

[onenote]

75. so, Osama asked his lieutenants to plan and carry out the attacks

but he wasn't the "mastermind".

I'd laugh if I wasn't crying.

[mvd]

81. I believe in LIHOP if not MIHOP and if LIHOP..

they probably know who Bin Laden gave orders to but won't say it.

[Virginia Dare]

77. The American people get punked again....

all hail Chimpy and Darth, all hail the Princess Barracuda!

[mvd]

79. They just want to keep the focus off of OBL

And if we really were attacked by Al Qaeda, they were caught in a contradiction on which member planned it.

[bushisanidiot]

83. Oh no!! How many country song lyrics will have to be changed

to exclude "Bin Laden" and insert "Khalid Sheikh Mohammed"?

doh!

[dailykoff]

86. I'm Brian and so's my wife.

And I have the waterboard to prove it!

[bikoman]

87. OMG - Bush is a moron.!

Fucking unbelievable!!!

[cui bono]

89. What will they say when they release that Bin Laden tape a few days before the election?

:popcorn:

[Politicalboi]

90. Wow!

They caught him don't ya know. No stone unturned here. Congrat's Jr. :sarcasm: