CNN now. Nader and Paul. Ron Paul said that he and Nader agree on

[mzmolly]

on thing, taking votes from Obama.

:(

[Venceremos]

1. What?

I don't have access to a TV right now - please elaborate when you can. Thanks

[mzmolly]

3. Ron Paul said he doesn't support Nader in philosophy, but he and Nader

agree on one thing, taking votes from Obama. Nader appears to be spinning away from this talking point right now?

[iamthebandfanman]

4. yeah, im watching too

nader wants nothing to do with that sentiment.. lol...

saying he thinks al gore would agree 2000 was stolen from him by 5 polticians in the supreme court...

even said polls where hes included, mccains numbers go down .. not obamas

[mzmolly]

6. Seems Nader has different conversations off the record vs.

on the record?

[iamthebandfanman]

10. well, naders agenda is a purely personal one

which is why hes such a failure..

hes actually very intelligent... but that ego of his gets in the way...

alot of us progressives realise we need to change the democratic party from the inside out and work with other ideaologies to advance our own agenda...
he sees it as thats an impossible thing to accomplish and true progressive change can only come from the outside... but somewhere along the lines he decided he was the only messiah who could lead us liberals to the promise land... and he hasnt looked back only caring about himself...

[mzmolly]

16. He's done some great things.

But I wish he'd run for Senate or Congress or ??? before asserting that he's ready to do anything but spoil an election.

[democracy1st]

20. he's far left he only deals in principle and to hell with reality

[Better Believe It]

22. Huh?

Are we trying to "swiftboat" Nader again?

Paul doesn't speak for Nader. Nader speaks for himself .... he's not at all shy about presenting his opinions in case anyone didn't notice.

[Better Believe It]

25. What Nader Actually Said As Opposed To What People May Claim He Said

BLITZER:
You know the accusations, Ralph Nader, that were leveled against you in 2000, that you stole the election, in effect, from Al Gore. He would have carried Florida if you had not been a candidate. You got 90,000-plus votes in Florida. He lost by 500 votes.

What do you say to those people who are saying you're just trying to spoil this election right now for Barack Obama?

NADER: I say two things. They're factually wrong about 2000. If you ask Al Gore why he lost, he'll say it was the Electoral College because he won the popular vote and it was stolen in a variety of ways before, during and after Election Day, from Tallahassee to the five politicians on the Supreme Court.

Now, I have news for you. The last four major polls, when they poll Obama and McCain, and then they poll Obama, McCain and they put Nader/Gonzalez in the poll, McCain does worse. Does worse.

BLITZER: But you think your presence hurts McCain more than Obama?

NADER: That's what the polls say.

[KathieG]

7. Yes, Nader said the polls show that the third party candidates are actually taking votes from McCain

:shrug:

[mzmolly]

9. Yes, he's spinning away from Ron Paul's

assertion.

[Better Believe It]

23. I Would Certainly Hope So .....

because Nader and his campaign workers don't support Paul's assertion.

That's why they are going after Republican votes and that's why the polls show Nader and Barr are hurting McCain.

[AverageJoe]

2. In the immortal words of Gomor Pile, USMC

Surprise, surprise, surprise!

[blondeatlast]

5. Edit: maybe I don't quite understand what they mean. nt

[Better Believe It]

11. Sorry Those Old DLC Talking Points B.S. Won't Fly Here Anymore

You need to pay more careful attention to what's happening.

Why do you think that Obama isn't attacking Nader and why do you think the Democratic Party this time around is not trying to prevent people from voting for Ralph Nader?

If you can't answer that question you're really out of touch.

Well, here's clue for you. Read the following articles. If you still don't get it I don't think I can help you.

You can thank me after you've read this information .... if you understand it.

The Nader effect: Bad for Republicans?
August 27, 2008
Themorningcall.com

Ralph Nader, pursuing yet another run for president, isn't exactly a blip on the radar in battleground states. On the contrary, Nader is polling between 6 and 8 percent in Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada, a new Time/CNN poll shows.

A depressing sign for Democrats? Not exactly. Nader appears to be pulling almost all of his support from potential John McCain voters.

In Pennsylvania, for example, Barack Obama leads McCain by just 5 points (48 percent to 43 percent) when voters are asked to choose between the two, but 9 points (47 percent to 38 percent) when Nader is thrown into the mix. Nader gets 7 percent.

Maybe the Obama campaign should be helping to keep Nader on the ballot.

http://blogs.mcall.com/penn_ave/2008/08/the-nader-effec ...

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Does Nader hurt McCain in PA?
By Wally Edge
August 27, 2008
Politickerpa.com
In addition to showing U.S. Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) with a 5 point advantage (48 percent to 43 percent) over U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), today's TIME/CNN poll also suggests that Obama's chances in the Keystone State may be boosted by the presence of third-party candidates on the ballot.

When voters were asked to choose among Obama, McCain and three third-party candidates, the Democrat's 5 point lead grew to 9 percentage points.

Obama leads McCain 47 percent to 38 percent, while independent candidate Ralph Nader attracts 7 percent of the vote and Libertarian candidate Bob Barr drew an additional 1 percent.

http://www.politickerpa.com/wallyedgepa/1513/does-nader ...

NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama keeps lead over McCain
Voters see Democrat as riskier pick, but rival has negatives of his own
By Mark Murray
Deputy political director
NBC News

After embarking on his highly publicized trip overseas, Obama enjoys a 47-41 percent advantage over McCain, which is unchanged from last month. The survey was conducted of 1,003 registered voters from Friday to Monday, July 18-21, during Obama's overseas trip. It has an overall margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points.

But Obama’s lead over McCain expands to 13 points when third-party candidates Ralph Nader and Bob Barr are added into the mix — with Obama at 48 percent, McCain at 35 percent, Nader at 5 percent and Barr at 2 percent.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25816799 /

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Could Third-Party Hopefuls Foil McCain?
AOL News

Polls show Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama running close in the presidential election. But could third-party candidates siphon votes away from McCain, much as Ralph Nader was blamed for doing to Al Gore in 2000? The idea has been floating around for awhile, and this week's NBC News / Wall Street Journal poll underscores the possibility that such candidates could hurt McCain.

According to the poll results, Obama had a 6-point lead over McCain, even though most respondents thought he was a riskier pick for president. But when voters were asked to factor in two other candidates -- former GOP congressman Bob Barr, who's running for president as a Libertarian, and Nader, who's running as an independent -- Obama's lead opened up.

Here's how MSNBC summarized it: "... Obama’s lead over McCain expands to 13 points when third-party candidates Ralph Nader and Bob Barr are added into the mix — with Obama at 48 percent, McCain at 35 percent, Nader at 5 percent and Barr at 2 percent. However, it’s important to note that the pro-Obama (48 percent) and anti-Obama vote (adding up to 42 percent) is consistent with the result from the two-way match up."

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/could-third-party ...

[mzmolly]

12. I'd be interested in more recent

polls?

[Better Believe It]

14. I Also Would Also Like To See The Latest Polls

If you can find any links that compare Obama/McCain with and without 3rd party/independent candidates included in the the polling for comparisons please post them.

[mzmolly]

15. Electoral-Vote.com

has some recent polls. Hover over the states for individual info. Also http://www.pollster.com/ has the latest without any spoilers.

[mzmolly]

24. Third Party candidates are now helping McCain according to recent polls.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1840327,00.html

In New Hampshire and Michigan, both states won by John Kerry in 2004, Obama is leading McCain 51% to 45% and 49% to 45% respectively. When Libertarian candidate Bob Barr and Independent Ralph Nader are added in, Obama's lead narrows in Michigan to 45% to 42% and just slightly in New Hampshire to 48% to 43%.

The news for McCain is better in Virginia and Missouri, both states won by President George W. Bush in 2004, where the Republican nominee leads Obama 50% to 46% and 50% to 45% respectively. With third-party candidates added in, McCain's lead in Virginia expands to 49% to 43%, though it narrows slightly in Missouri to 48% to Obama's 44%.

[ChiciB1]

8. Weeeellllll, Here In Florida.... IT WILL Probably Work! I've Seen LOTS

of Ron Paul bumper stickers, more Obama stickers than McCain, but Florida could be 2000 AGAIN!!!

I live in a very RED COUNTY!!

[JBoris]

17. 3 months ago there was a Paul sticker on every stop sign in Boca,

there are still a few around. And don't give up hope about FL turning blue this time around, see if you can help at your local field office!

[ChiciB1]

21. I've ALWAYS Worked At The Local Hdqtrs... I Went Yesterday & Actually

saw 3 people working the phones. More at the Sarasota Hdqrs, and this is a PLUS for this county. Called & went to Repuke office in Sarasota and only 3 people working there. They don't have an open office in the Venice/Nokomis area yet. BIG SURPRISE, because this county is SOOOOOOO Repuke!

Wanted Obama/Biden stuff but it hasn't come in yet. I'm a member of Code Pink, and St. Pete For Peace. Code Pink doesn't endorse candidates, but they WILL support Obama. Having a "get together" 9-20-08, but gatherings in this county are always pretty small. While I don't use the word "hope" anymore, I can only WISH that these idiots around here will see what has happened to our economy.

My son works for a famous person in this area, and I "house-sit" for her from time to time. She just sold one of her 5 houses here essentially to "dump" it. Actually 2 houses, the main one and the guest house.... worth a LOT more than she paid for it. I think she put more "into" the houses than she sold them for!! Many homes in that area are up for sale, and I'm talking "big money" houses too!

So IF, and that's a big IF the sheeple around here have any sense or even open their eyes and admit that they are ALSO getting squeezed, they couldn't ignore actually reality! But then again... we had Cruella for two terms, and Vern Buchanan was anointed a winner in 2006 by a margin of 269 votes, AND 18,000 plus LOST or evaporated votes. Our machines still have problems, even last month for the primaries. IT SUCKS!!!

[WI_DEM]

13. Of course Paul would take votes from Obama because 1) he is strongly anti-war

and 2) much of his support are younger people, a constituency which has largely favored Obama.

[democracy1st]

18. far left meets far right

[PeaceNikki]

19. And yet people here on DU still defend Ron Paul

:shudder: