Does anyone believe that McCain now beats Obama among white women by 12%?

[jenmito]

Supposedly, in August, Obama was leading McCain among white women 50%-42% (according to a 9/5-9/8 Washington Post/ABC News poll) and now TRAILS McCain 41%-53%. I call BS. There is NO WAY that could be true while they're supposedly in a dead heat. :eyes:

[kypp]

No.

[melody]

1. It's a temporary poll shift

It'll go back to normal by the end of the month.

[d_b]

2. lol n/t

[Sensitivity]

3. Check MOE in subgroup. 12pt gap is could be really 6 pt. But there has been a swing

[jenmito]

8. It's +-3. n/t

[samuraiguppy]

4. they probably polled

a dozen redneck women at a southern baptist church in the bible belt.

[napi21]

5. NO! It doesn't make sense! White women are the majority of voters.

If there were any truth that BS poll, the final numbers wouldn't be TIED!

[jenmito]

13. Exactly. This is a supposed 20 point swing yet they're still about tied? No way!

The media is in full spin mode.

[azmouse]

6. Not. At. All.

[Zuiderelle]

7. I don't believe it.

And furthermore... They think we're stupid enough to think "Oh, well, if that many women are ok with it, then I am!"

It's complete bullshit.

[jenmito]

19. Yup. And funny how the media keeps pushing this ONE poll-the only one that shows

McCain winning with white women like that.

[seabeyond]

9. no..... n/t

[Applepie]

10. This is what I think of polls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4

[jenmito]

22. "F*** YOU, FRANK!"

Thanks for that! Very enlightening. :D

[dchill]

42. This is why I don't believe in the polls...

it depends too much on the pollster, and how the questions are asked. This poll is taken among "white working women" right after the media have saturated the nation's tee-vees with Palin clips, instantly dropping ANY coverage of the Democratic Convention. The Palin clips are ALL lies, but that little nugget is never mentioned - they're too busy fawning and drooling over Palin's wonderfulness. Even if the poll and the timing weren't pre-loaded, the sick media coverage would tend to affect the outcome. Just as intended.

[AuntPatsy]

11. No way.......don't believe them in this...

[RoadRage]

12. Perahps white women from ALASKA....

But beyond that - i say no.

[ismnotwasm]

14. Hell no

It's crap

[BlooInBloo]

15. Uh... folks... You don't get disbelieve anything you don't like. That's juvenile.

[jenmito]

21. If there WAS a 20 point swing of white women to McCain, how could they still be tied in that poll?

[Sugarcoated]

31. It could very well be an outlier

there needs to be more polls of the same to know. I think it's appropriate to take a wait and see attitude on that one. Several pundits today were doubting it - saying if the swing were that extreme the national numbers wouldn't be just tied, McLame would be way ahead.

[totodeinhere]

16. Even if that is accurate, IMO the more that women get to know Palin the less they will like her,

and those numbers should turn around.

[Whisp]

17. not a chance. they are LIEING.

[1corona4u]

18. NO. Not at all.

[blondeatlast]

20. Women I know are repulsed by her. nt

[jenmito]

23. Same here. n/t

[mzmolly]

24. NOPE!

Not at all. I can't wait for that vote on equal pay. :evilgrin:

[mvd]

25. No

How was that poll so close then in the Obama/McCain matchup?

[tomg]

26. Ummmmm. Let me think.

Well, I am sure that there are some people somewhere who actually believe that McCain now beats Obama among white women by 12% - I mean, they've been told to by A POLL. Those people, though, I would venture to guess are either not too bright or delusional, or possibly both. These are the same people who believe that Sarah Palin was chosen for her piercing intelligence, her command of foreign policy, her economic acumen, and her maverick qualities.

Oh, you meant do I. No

[jenmito]

32. That makes two of us...

Actually, that makes MOST of us.

[tomg]

43. You know, I honestly believe

that Obama and Biden are going to blow McCain and Palin out the door come election day. :toast:

[jenmito]

44. So do I...

and I'm gonna help by donating again right now! :toast:

[tomg]

46. Thanks. Same here.

through DU.

[Lucy Goosey]

27. No. Chuck Todd was saying that on Morning Joe this AM

The numbers just don't add up.

[tpi10d]

28. no...margin of error is higher amoung subgroups polled

plus at height of repub convention bounce.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. Well, we already know McCain beats in women.

He's even admitted to beating his wife.

[jenmito]

34. Good one...

that's true. :)

[noonwitch]

30. Maybe in Mississippi

I can see this in some areas, but not in large states or cities.

[Major Hogwash]

33. Hell, no. Not women who still have their own teeth anyway.

He might be really popular at some of the nursing homes in Arizona, but this poll is misleading.

[zulchzulu]

35. I am VERY suspicious of that poll

I assume women are smarter than that unless they want the Government to control their bodies... I know no women who are for McFuckshitAsshatDickbrain.

[sam kane]

36. men like Palin better than women

it doesn't make sense.

[krabigirl]

37. Nope. Not at all. And they only poll people with land lines.

Most women 18-30 only have cell phones. I doubt they are going for Palin, but I guess their voices don't matter.

[Citizen Jane]

38. Well, there are 5 white female citizens in my department

And we all think the beyotch is psychotic!!! Small sample, but hey, lookin' good here...:bounce:

Edited to say "female"

[Shine]

39. Nope, not buyin' it.

I call bullshit, too. :puke:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

40. all I can say is watch this and I believe that these polls are pure BS

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6bda020b0f

[NikolaC]

41. No

The numbers have been stinking to me for a while now. Personally, I don't put too much stock in the polls since the numbers are too suspiciously close too often.

[VolcanoJen]

45. No.

This has been another edition of "short answers to simple questions."

;-)

[butterfly77]

47. I don't ...

I think that they are trying to get some uninformed women who never vote or don't know the issues to think that they are apart of some type of movement with women...I don't trust the polls however I don't believe that all of a sudden women will just change from Obama and run to McCain just because he chose a woman if they are that stupid they and their daughters deserve what they get...


If it did happen these would be the same women running to a real womens movement for some help once Mcpalin took away their right to choose...

[ContinentalOp]

48. I definitely believe that.

Oh wait, I thought you said that McCain beats white women. That I believe.

[TexasObserver]

49. No way

[Awsi Dooger]

50. No, but I believe McCain leads by about 4% among white women

That's the logical area. I'm not locked into current polling as opposed to common sense.

Look at this in relation to previous cycles. Clinton won white women by high margin. Gore lost that group by 1%. I think it was 48-47. Then, post 9/11, Bush exploded his advantage in 2004, high single digits.

Obama's big edge edge among white women made no sense in relation to 2006. I looked at that demographic closely all year in '06. In a heavily favorable climate of a second term midterm with Iraq in disaster, Democrats figured to win white women for a change. Wrong. Even in that atmosphere, Republicans won the white female vote by 2%. I was stunned, and deflated. It meant there was still 9/11 pull, white women security conscious and favoring the GOP.

So translate to 2008. Obama does not lead by anything close to our generic edge in the 2006 midterm. If he's even with McCain he probably trails among white women by 4-6% or close to that. Assuming Obama retakes a small lead, I would expect the gap to be closer to 2-4%.

We can make it up elsewhere from '00, a fraction here and there, but white women are the single most important voting block. I've posted that for years. We ignored it in the primaries and Obama was content to ignore it in the VP choice.

[Thrill]

51. They fell for the Palin pick. Its damn shame. He;s made a complete fool out of women