Obama vs Palin. This has to stop now.

[optimisticin08]

This is exactly what mccain wants. The entire focus must be on the economy and jobs. Forget Palin!!

[KittyWampus]

1. no shit. DU'ers are mostly reactionary screamers who waste time and energy chasing after Palin

whilst losing sight of the actual GOAL.

[BeFree]

13. The goal?

The goal is destroying the McCain campaign.

Palin is their star and when she goes back to Alaska defeated and disgraced, we win.

[KittyWampus]

22. The GOAL is winning the POTUS race. Thanks for playing though. You're a reactionary screamer

and voters don't give a shit about the fact Palin said xyz.

And the time it would take to EXPLAIN Palin said xyz is time lost by losers.

[nichomachus]

26. Feel free

Don't let the . . . you know the drill

[KittyWampus]

27. I'd rather the idiots leave DU to those of us who don't get distracted. There are some of us

sadly, the Palin-obsessed drown us out with crap

[babylonsister]

2. This too shall pass. It's the weekend, that's what all the

bloggers and pundits are yammering about. Trust me, something or someone else will come along to change the dialogue.

[optimisticin08]

6. It has already come along. Obama must change dialogue

6.1% unemployment and massive job loss.

[JimDandy]

17. I'm sure DU will step up and fully support Obama on his issues attack.

But as the Republican operative said (when admitting their strategy was to hide Palin as long as possible) the goal IS TO WIN THE ELECTION! To do that we MUST also keep hitting Palin on the personal issues of integrity, morals etc. A two-pronged approach is necessary in this situation.

[KittyWampus]

7. NO, it won't pass. It's been over one week. EIGHT DAYS. DU'ers are incapable of helping themselves

they are addicted like Palin is crack.

[Crooked Moon]

10. exactly.

i've been talking about this since palin's well-meaning but foolish lynch mob knocked obama's speech off the front pages less than 24 hours after it was given.

the republicans made their pick at a strategic time knowing that if democrats seized upon it as planned, it would significantly alter the national dialogue.

[JimDandy]

38. Be realistic... The MSM's swoon over Palin knocked Obama off the front page.

DU reacted to THAT by attacking Palin on a personal level, because that was what the Palin gush was about.

We were expecting Obama's team to have Biden hit her on the issues the very next day. Why didn't they? She WAS on McCain's list, short or not. They are the professional researchers--we are not. Were they, instead, unprepared and working like the rest of us, to quickly discover them?

And, Puhleeease, the Republican's pick was in reaction to Obama's pick. Strategy is defined as skillful planning and management. Seat of the pants reactions are not "strategic". Their stategy, as in 2000, is simply to win a campaign -- NOT to provide a good candidate for the presidency.

And if you meant "statagem", that only applies to a CAREFUL political scheme, and the whole nation is finding out (partly BECAUSE of DU's constant attacks) just how CARELESS the Republican's vetting process really is!

[Crooked Moon]

39. the announcement came, as expected.

the palin story took flight because, almost immediately, there were accusations about the alleged faked pregnancy.

yes, let's be realistic.

[JimDandy]

50. Be more specific--expected by whom?

After Obama picked Biden, rank and file Dems were speculating McCain would probably react by picking a female. Who, exactly, expected PALIN as the pick? And, again, why then, was there no immediate attack on her political stance on the issues? If you're not in a position to know, just say so, and let someone else who Is answer, please.

We'll have to disagree on the impetus for the "flight." Also, I myself never understood why DUer's who thought the pregnancy was fake obsessed over pictures, instead of pushing for a birth certificate, health records or DNA.

Never-the-less, IMHO the positives of the DU personal attacks on Sarah Palin outweigh any negatives.

[babylonsister]

12. Damn, and me out of town without a computer.

:evilgrin:

[KittyWampus]

24. there's a small core of DU'ers who see the distraction but the majority are truly unhinged

and obsessed. That isn't me being insulting. It's the truth.

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. "So Sambo beat the bitch!”

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/

Nope, sorry, I think ignoring this woman is a HUGE mistake.

[KittyWampus]

9. the goal is WINNING THE ELECTION not pointing out every hideous lie/slur Palin's uttered

So while YOU and the rest of the unhinged Palin obsessors on DU keep getting distracted, the Republicans win the next Presidential election.

[BeFree]

15. I'd say

You are the one distracted. You are obsessed with protecting Palin.

[KittyWampus]

34. You won't find ONE post where I "protect" Palin. But those obsessed with her WOULD think that

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. Actually while you and the others in denial ignore this crap

McCain sails to victory.

Did we learn NOTHING from 2004??

[KittyWampus]

33. I deny nothing. The fact you don't GET THAT SIMPLE TRUTH shows how obsessed you are

There are some of us who acknowledge the Lies and Slurs from Palin (did you even read my post?) but we aren't stupid enough to obsess over it and waste excessive amounts of time
on it.

Rove pwned your ass with Palin, along with a lot of other DU'ers. You should be embarrassed.

But people who are addicted to whatever juicy distraction thrown at them can't grasp the nature of their imbalance.

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. So you think I am wasting my time?

Huh?

So I guess you assume I will STOP phone banking and canvassing and next weekend I will cancel putting out 1000 yard signs for a local candidate. And I will resign from the caucus board I serve on and from the board of our local DFA group? Oh and I can also just not go to our Sunday vigil in an hour?

I am not the least bit embarrassed by anything I do. And if I want to blog about Sarah Palin in my rare spare time, by golly I will do it.

:hi:

[JimDandy]

40. The key word in your post is BALANCE.

Attack on both levels, issues and personal. Period.

[azmouse]

43. It reminds me of the over reaction to Princess Diana's death.

When people looked back at things a year later they felt ashamed of their behavior.
I'm hopeful it won't take that long for the DU obsession over Palin to feel shameful to the obsessed.

You are so right about them falling for the Rove scheme. Do these DUers even remember that McCain is the candidate we are opposing?
I have my doubts.

[greyghost]

45. You are correct.

[proud2BlibKansan]

48. Thank you

I laughed for a couple days. Then good liberal friends on Thursday called me to tell they liked Palin's speech. Then I got pissed. They won't vote for McCain but it freaks me out to think she probably gained some supporters after that speech.

[dkf]

4. Its not Obama vs. Palin.

Its us vs. Palin.

She is a crazy whackjob that needs to be exposed, if only for the future of this country.

When Obama wins, she will still be a star in the Republican party. Bring her down now or we will have to contend with her for decades.

[skids]

20. Just do this:

Instead of "Palin is a whackjob"

"John McCain nominated a whackjob for VP."

Instead of "Palin was the earmark queen"

"John McCain obviously did not realize his VP pick was an earmark queen"

I have no problem with ganging up on Palin but everyone who knows anything about politics knows that even when you have a candidate with one foot in the grave, the VP choice is only worth at most several percentage points. Use Palin to attack McCain, don't just attack Palin.

And don't stop talking up Obama. We should all be making more positive statements for our side than negative. Negative is potent but unless it is balanced you get tuned out and unless you offer a positive alternative, you are just driving people back into cynicism.

And when someone tries to compare Obama to Palin, say that comparison is so ridiculous it does not dignify a response, and start talking up Biden positively.

[JimDandy]

41. GREAT advice. I'm on board. n/t

[dkf]

44. I'm saying Palin is a bigger problem than this election.

Even if they lose, they will give her props for reviving a dead in the water campaign and the legend of Sarah will live on and grow.

She is the embodiment of everything that we have fought against, wrapped in the outward appearance of what it looks like we were fighting for.

[Dawgs]

5. But, it's working for them. Are you fucking blind.

Does this race not matter to you?

He should be leading by 10 points. Why does he refuse to fight?

It's like Gore/Kerry all over again.

[optimisticin08]

8. I have no idea

I just know the commercials need to be coming out on jobs and unemployment without let up.

[givemebackmycountry]

11. Give me a break -

That's just alarmist bullshit, and there has been a lot of that around here lately.
Those of us that actually understand what's going on here are already seeing that both Biden AND Obama are focused on John McCain.
Sarah Palin will take her own self down.
I saw a "Obama is a very cool cucumber, he didn't take the bait" thread on here last night.
That's what's happening.

Obama and Biden are, and will be, focused on John McCain.
And ONLY John McCain.

They will get around to Sarah, but she'll probably be gone before they do.

[babylonsister]

14. Yep. Here's the thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6954671

Good to read, very positive!

[floridablue]

16. We are not running against "jawbone"... It is gramps we need to

focus on. What the dimboy is saying is all that counts. If we ignore her like we did Quail (sp intentional) she will stop being the focus of MSM.

[baby_mouse]

18. Palin's a big fat pushover.

The minute the debates turn to anything of substance, which they have to, she'll fold. Biden and Obama are *real* politicians.

[BlueIdaho]

19. If its about personalities - we lose - If its about issues - we win.

Now what, exactly, do YOU want to talk about for the next 60 days?

[Parker CA]

21. She is the girl in the playground that kicks all the boys

but when she gets a rock or stick tossed at her, she cries and screams.

Best way to beat this. Simple. IGNORE HER!

I haven't been on here long at all, but I can say that for a man that is running against Obama as POTUS, one would have a really hard time believing it with all the BS about the VP getting tossed and spouted about. Palin is an f-ing joke. IGNORE HER.

Barak is running against MCCAIN. Palin will dig her own hole that she will fall into when people stop paying attention. This doesn't mean she will stop hurling insults, in fact, she will likely hurl more and hurl them harder. IGNORE THEM.

McCain has been getting a free f-ing ride since she was brought on. He must become the focus again, and it must happen NOW.

His temperment, judgement, and policy provides more than enough ammo for attack.

The economy is f'd. Cheney is trying to start more wars or cold-wars with Russia. Job losses are at record highs. Social security is quickly disappearing as it gets sucked out to service external debts. McCain needs to present coherent, feasible, and realistic policy to ALL of these issues. Why are we not beating him on these?

Again, IGNORE Palin. Attack the man running for POTUS of the Repub party, and in case we have forgotten, it's John McCain!!

[malik flavors]

23. We've been talking about the issues for months, and our lead is gone after 3 days of attacks.

You judge which tactic sways voters more effectively.

it's 2004 all over again.

[Turn CO Blue]

35. Don't give the polls that much credit. Watch the electoral map

predictions. Obama is CLOBBERING McCain on the electoral college map. Kerry didn't ever win on the electoral map predictions.

The MSM doesn't report on the state of the electoral college very often, because it doesn't keep their "horserace" meme alive. They also need it so that their "best political teams in the universe" talking heads have something to discuss.

THE CORPORATE NEWS PROGRAMS NEED A HORSERACE SO THAT THEIR MARKETING DEPTS CAN SELL ADS, ESPECIALLY POLITICAL ADS!

But Obama has anywhere from a 30-vote to 100-vote lead on the electoral map tracking sites. McCain has to win all the toss ups and tied states to even have a chance to win on some of these prediction maps, but McCain is unlikely to even get half of the toss ups.

538


electoral-vote O-301 M-334 Ties-13


cnn O-243 M-189 Tossup-106


real clear politics O-238 M-174 Tossup-126
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

MSNBC O-190 M-136 Tossup - 212
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/

[Democat]

46. Character attacks work!

Most voters who care about issues made up their minds long ago. Many of those that are left over (the swing voters) are looking at personalities!

[Zuiderelle]

25. McCain isn't conscious enough to want anything. And this Palin focus won't stop...

which is a good thing, since we want to focus to unbury the actual truth. Since Palin is what they are using to try to steal the election, she has to be the focus. Or we're just fucked.

[msongs]

29. du is now PU lol nt

[doublethink]

30. We can walk and chew gum at the same time .....

I kinda like seeing all the tabloids at the supermarket checkout lines with Palins sleazy personal character being questioned in all of them. That would be nice to see it continue for 60 days.

The general public at large won't really pay any attention to this election till like 2 weeks before it happens, which gives Obama plenty of time to bombard the airwaves with commercials on the issues.

Community organizers are fired up ...... there's been a 10% increase in former Hillary voters to the Obama side since the Palin vp announcement. I could go on. But anyway .....

Obama is playing chess, McCain only knows checkers. Peace.

[HughMoran]

31. It's a shame

This distraction has been damaging to morale I think. People here were downplaying the VP pick when Obama chose Biden, "one speech, one debate" we were told. Have the rules changes since then?

[optimisticin08]

51. Another possible problem

With all the talk about Palin being so unqualified all she has to do at the debate is show up and breathe and the media will say she won.

[whistle]

32. Total bullshit, if McCain won't debate Obama then he should be put in a nursing home

[Jakes Progress]

37. This is because you think DU

members really care about changing things. Most seem to use DU as an entertainment venue. They refuse to contemplate the big picture. They want drama. They want simple conflict. The subtleties and nuances of elections are just too tiring. Red meat and screaming are more fun.

Yes, a little over the top. But we do have more than our share of Hoo-Rah, sports-bar shouters. It's a forum. You get what you get. Each forum has its own personality. This one isn't long on analysis and reflection. More in your face and boo-yah. I get the feeling it used to be different.

[Triana]

42. It's OBAMA vs MCCAIN - and this election will NOT be won on "personality" unless.

..we LET it. And they're COUNTING on that.

FORCE THEM TO STICK TO THE ISSUES! That begins with US doing it.

[greblc]

47. Collectively we (Americans) are not smart enough to focus on ...

anything other than a pretty hockey mom in a skirt. Issues don't win elections. 2004 should be proof. Focus should be on defeating the Palin bump.

[IndianaGreen]

49. Palin believes that gays can be "cured" by prayer

but thank you for your concern about that Nazi tart.