The experience question

[Deliphus]

McCain is claiming that Sarah Palin is more experienced than Barrack Obama. Really? Let's compare:

BARACK OBAMA’S RESUME

EDUCATION

HARVARD LAW SCHOOL, Juris Doctor (J.D) magna cum laude
Elected to President of Harvard Law Review.

COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY, B.A. Political Science and International Relations

PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE (21+ years)

U.S. SENATE (2004 – DATE)
U.S. Senator

U.S STATE OF ILLINOIS SENATE, (1996-2004)
State Legislator

DAVIS, MINER BARNHILL & GALLAND (1993-2004)
Attorney

UNIVERSITY OF CHICACO LAW SCHOOL (1992-2004)
Senior Lecturer of Constitutional Law (1996-2004)
Lecturer of Constitutional Law (1992 – 1996)

SYDLEY & AUSTIN, (Chicago Law firm)
Summer Associate

NEW YORK PUBLIC INTEREST RESEARCH GROUP

BUSINESS INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION

OTHER EXPERIENCE

COMMUNITY ORGANIZING:

Director of DEVELOPING COMMUNITIES PROJECT (DOC), (1985 – 1988)
Director of PROJECT VOTE

DIRECTORSHIPS:

PUBLIC ALLIES CHICAGO, founding member, executive director

WOOD FUND OF CHICAGO – board of directors

CHICAGO ANNENBERG CHALLENGE (1995 -2002) founding president , (1995 -1999) chairman of board of directors)

CHICAGO LAWYERS COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS UNDER LAW
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SARAH PALIN’s RESUME

EDUCATION

UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO, BS. Communications-Journalism and Political Science
NORTH IDAHO COLLEGE (not completed)
HAWAII PACIFIC COLLEGE Business Administration (not completed)

PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE (6 years)

U.S. STATE OF ALASKA (2006 –present)
Governor

WASILLA CITY COUNCIL (1999 -2002)
Mayor

KTUU-TV (1988-?)
Sports TV Presenter

OTHER EXPERIENCE

BEAUTY PAGEANTS:

MISS WASILLA PAGEANT
Winner of “Miss Congeniality “ Award

DIRECTORSHIPS:

PRESIDENT OF ALASKA CONFERENCE OF MAYORS
CHAIR OF ALASKA OIL AND GAS CONSERVATION COMMISSION (2003 -2004)
TED STEVENS EXCELLENCE IN PUBLIC SERVICE, INC, board of directors

[seabeyond]

1. i thought she had two terms as mayor. can you check to make sure.

i like to hand out correct info. i thought mayor started around 1994

[Deliphus]

3. Re: i thought mayor started around 1994

Actually 1996 to 2002. I missed that, sorry.

[seabeyond]

5. thank you. excellent. actually, i want to keep this for when question comes up

you did a good job.

[Deliphus]

6. Re: good job.

Thanks, but I can't claim credit. I picked it up from someone else. I should have examined it better. Just thought it was a good counterargument to the idea that Palin is more experienced than Obama. I find the best defense in these matters is the truth.

Here's the corrected version for you to copy and paste and (hopefully) spread:

BARACK OBAMA’S RESUME

EDUCATION

HARVARD LAW SCHOOL, Juris Doctor (J.D) magna cum laude
Elected to President of Harvard Law Review.

COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY, B.A. Political Science and International Relations

PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE (21+ years)

U.S. SENATE (2004 – DATE)
U.S. Senator

U.S STATE OF ILLINOIS SENATE, (1996-2004)
State Legislator

DAVIS, MINER BARNHILL & GALLAND (1993-2004)
Attorney

UNIVERSITY OF CHICACO LAW SCHOOL (1992-2004)
Senior Lecturer of Constitutional Law (1996-2004)
Lecturer of Constitutional Law (1992 – 1996)

SYDLEY & AUSTIN, (Chicago Law firm)
Summer Associate

NEW YORK PUBLIC INTEREST RESEARCH GROUP

BUSINESS INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION

OTHER EXPERIENCE

COMMUNITY ORGANIZING:

Director of DEVELOPING COMMUNITIES PROJECT (DOC), (1985 – 1988)
Director of PROJECT VOTE

DIRECTORSHIPS:

PUBLIC ALLIES CHICAGO, founding member, executive director

WOOD FUND OF CHICAGO – board of directors

CHICAGO ANNENBERG CHALLENGE (1995 -2002) founding president , (1995 -1999) chairman of board of directors)

CHICAGO LAWYERS COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS UNDER LAW
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SARAH PALIN’s RESUME

EDUCATION

UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO, BS. Communications-Journalism and Political Science
NORTH IDAHO COLLEGE (not completed)
HAWAII PACIFIC COLLEGE Business Administration (not completed)

PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE (12 years)

U.S. STATE OF ALASKA (2006 –present)
Governor

WASILLA CITY COUNCIL (1996 -2002)
Mayor

KTUU-TV (1988)
Sports TV Presenter

OTHER EXPERIENCE

BEAUTY PAGEANTS:

MISS WASILLA PAGEANT
Winner of “Miss Congeniality “ Award

DIRECTORSHIPS:

PRESIDENT OF ALASKA CONFERENCE OF MAYORS
CHAIR OF ALASKA OIL AND GAS CONSERVATION COMMISSION (2003 -2004)
TED STEVENS EXCELLENCE IN PUBLIC SERVICE, INC, board of directors

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[seabeyond]

8. i agree. and IF the info isnt correct, slights opponent then regardless, have lost argument

best to give as is. thanks. will save your corrected version

[1Hippiechick]

2. RW fundies listen up: JC = Community Organizer; Pontius Pilate = mere governor.

I thought this oped was written just for RW fundies:

http://www.galesburg.com/opinions/x392063113/Ghandi-a-community-organizer-too

Ghandi a community organizer, too
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By CATHERINE DENIAL
Letter to the Editor
Posted Sep 05, 2008 @ 05:37 PM

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Sarah Palin seems to be under the impression that community organizers do little, and achieve even less.

How misinformed. Community organizers have historically been at the leading edge of change, not only in the United States, but around the world. Some of the most prominent community organizers who come to mind include Jane Addams, Saul Alinsky, Tilly Black Bear, César Chávez, Dorothy Day, Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., Margaret Sanger, Ida B. Wells, Paul Wellstone, and yes, Barack Obama.

But perhaps the community organizer who should be most familiar to Sarah Palin is Jesus Christ. Pontius Pilate, on the other hand, was a mere governor. — Catherine Denial, Galesburg

[1Hippiechick]

9. Hey! CNN just showed a black tee-shirt with this quote on it. Dems have been on the ball! Got a t

shirt that says:

Jesus Christ
was a
Community Organizer

Pontious Pilate
was a
Governor

[droidamus2]

4. Fact

It is a fact that none of the people running Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin has experience in being President or Vice President. Unless you are an incumbent running these positions are always 'learn on the job' positions. Given that would I rather have somebody with some government 'experience' and a background in Constitutional Law and a Summa Cum Laude graduate of Harvard Law school learning on the job or a man with more government 'experience' who was very near the bottom of his flight school class and admittedly (At least I think he has admitted it) was never very good in school.

Besides isn't the experience question just another way to say Obama is young and McCain is old. Even if Obama had entered politics as soon as he could he still would not be able to have as much 'experience' as McCain simply because of their age difference. Personally I choose the young, energetic, future looking candidate over the old, tired, backward looking candidate everytime.

In the end it is not so much the life experience you bring to the job but your intelligence, ability to adapt and learn the job and the people you put around you. Intelligence, Obama wins hands down. Adapt and learn, since McCain is pushing the same agenda the Republicans have been pushing for 30years I would say Obama wins again. People they appoint, I think all that needs to be said is 'Palin' Obama wins big time.

[Deliphus]

7. Re: Fact

> Given that would I rather have somebody with some government 'experience' and a background in Constitutional Law and a Summa Cum Laude graduate of Harvard Law school learning on the job or a man with more government 'experience' who was very near the bottom of his flight school class and admittedly (At least I think he has admitted it) was never very good in school.

I'm with you 100% here. I would much rather have someone without the "experience" McCain has, given his record. That kind of experience we have had quite enough of already.

Change isn't 22 years in Washington.

Change isn't a 90-95% record of voting with Bush.

Change isn't the ideals of the generation before mine (and I'm not a young man anymore, 5 years older than Obama). Or even the ideals of mine, for that matter.


And God help us, we Americans desperately need change.