The mother kneels in the snow, cheerfully posing beside her bundled up daughter, behind the bloody,

[babsbunny]

dead caribou the mom just shot.

http://portal.wowway.net/news/read.php?ps=1017&rip_id=%3CD931C8R80%40news.ap.org%3E&_LT=HOME_LARSDCCLM_UNEWS

Saturday, September 6, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
The Associated Press
By MARTHA MENDOZA AP National Writer


WASILLA, Alaska (AP) — The mother kneels in the snow, cheerfully posing beside her bundled up daughter, behind the bloody, dead caribou the mom just shot.

Maybe not your typical family photo. But that's Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the disarming mom who's not afraid to carry arms or use them.

Palin would be a heartbeat away from the presidency if she and Republican nominee John McCain win in November. She was introduced to the country by McCain as very much the woman in that photo: tough and loving. She's the ethics-protecting, belt-tightening mom, who easily juggles family and her government job.

A visitor to her office can see Palin, a 44-year-old mother of five, as she coos to baby Trig and changes his diapers. A lush bear pelt shot by her father is draped over the couch and a three-foot king crab shell is perched on a table. Daughters Piper, Willow and Bristol stroll in and out, and crayon drawings are tucked beneath her glass desktop.



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[saracat]

1. Ugh. Just Ugh. If she had to "hunt for food " it would be one thing but this?

I wouldn't mind if she were a skeet shooter" but this seems to indicate a joy in killing. I hope I am wrong.

[Blondiegrrl]

18. Aww, but its head shore wood look good hangin' on her wall. n/t

[Mojorabbit]

45. It's hunting

and moose and caribou are tasty. There is a lot not to like about her but hunting for food is a time honored tradition in this country.

[Faygo Kid]

2. She's nuts. And ignorant as hell. What books have you read, Sarah?

Can't name one? Not surprised.

She is an insane, power mad broker, and maybe as great a danger (in a different way) as Dick Cheney.

[tblue]

3. If she can do that to a moose, just think what she can do to America! (Here's the pic:)

Lovely

[az chela]

7. I vote we send her to Iraq so she can see what real people

are going thru being slaughtered for oil

[NCDem60]

12. It's not a moose!!! LOL

[Botany]

15. That is not a moose but a Caribou ......

..... I am no fan of Palin and having a kid along on a hunt might seem a
little over the top but often a good shoot hits the lungs and as the animal
runs blood comes out the nose and mouth ..... as bloody as it seems this
is a much more merciful to harvest your animal.

In ecology a harvest of the ungulates (deer, elk, moose, & caribou) is good
for the heard and very natural.

Many of the same people who will complain about this image will go and get
their meat from a store all wrapped and neat and those animals are just
as dead .... this is a much more honest way to get some of your food.

[tblue]

35. True. I'm not opposed to all hunting. I'm just opposed to Scary Palin.

I'm a veg, btw..

[DCofVA]

24. That looks like a female caribou and it looks like she was still lactating

Way to go psycho Sarah! You killed two deer with one shot!

[Trajan]

4. Unless I have missed the hidden desire to kill animals in american women ....

I think this kind of idea will NOT find favor in the electorate ....

Hell ... Most women I know are very much against hurting ANY animals ....

The NRA might be elated, but the rest of us are saddened by that image ...

[az chela]

5. How barbaric and that little girl will grow up to be just like her

I hope she is happy in Alaska cause thats where she belongs

[Codeine]

39. Bullshit.

I hunted as a child. I was involved with every part of the hunt; tracking, shooting, hauling, and slaughtering. I'm not a psychopath -- in fact I've been a vegan for my entire adult life.

Being willing to kill what you eat is no more barbaric than paying somebody to do it for you. Hell, I admire the honesty of a person willing to face the fact that their dinner was once alive than the person who never sees meat outside of a cellophane wrapper.

[Raine]

6. I'm sending these kind of pictures to my animal loving

rePUKE friends. I want to see if they are going to stand behind their love of animals or if they will drink the kool-aid and ignore the things they love for their party. Time to put up or shut up.

[babylonsister]

8. I'm not a hunter nor do I live in Alaska so I'm not about to criticize

Palin for that. But please, have at it, anyone with creds in that area.

I'm more interested in knowing what countries she's been to, what kind of foreign policy knowledge does she have, has she ever even talked to a leader from another country, and I want her to explain in detail her delight in the 'abstinence only' policy she apparently embraces.

For starters...

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. The caribou was still alive only later she did the mercy shot

[Botany]

16. no you are wrong the animal is dead .....

and although I am no fan of Palin to spread a lie like that is low rent.

When you shoot an large animal like that before you touch it you poke with
you gun or bow to see if it moves and and if it does your put another
round in it. Palin has hunted for years she knows what to do.

The tongue hanging out of it's mouth and the amount of blood through
the mouth and nose all tell me it is dead ... i might be wrong but you can
see the bullet hole about 18" above the front leg .... that is a heart / lung shot
which is what you need to do.

[Ichingcarpenter]

28. 'As far as I know its true' I need the video or the sound recordings

to verify it as untrue.

[DCofVA]

10. SICK!

We need to get her back to Alaska (minus the gun), as soon as possible. Her icy heart may help refreeze the polar cap.

[BrklynLiberal]

11. This part made me look twice...

She married her high school sweetheart Todd, a North Slope oil field worker, and quickly started a family. She gave birth to their first son Track less than eight months later. Sarah worked for his family's commercial fishing business.

[madmax]

13. This shit makes me

re-think my meat eating ways. I seriously need to look into becoming a vegetarian. Been toying with the idea since the mad cow thing and seeing how sick animals are herded for slaughter and such. Eating animals is really starting to make me sick.

[ComplimentarySwine]

19. I sometimes think about going vegitarian

but then I remember just how much I like a good steak. Does anyone else find it odd that when one goes to a steakhouse, there are often dead cows hanging on the wall everywhere? In spite of that, I STILL like steak...

[madmax]

25. Have enjoyed a good steak

but, most of the time lately even the smell of meat makes me sick.

I'm sure somewhere along the way I'd want a great med/rare steak. Can one become a vegan and yet occasionally sin? :shrug:

[ContinentalOp]

31. Sure, why not? It's better than nothing.

I was a vegetarian for years and then backslid and now I eat seafood only. I can never go back to beef and poultry though. It's not a religion or anything. Becoming a "vegetarian" but occasionally eating a steak on a special occasion is way better than eating several hamburgers a week right? Eating meat is terrible for the environment.

[goodgd_yall]

14. I guess hunters do things like that.

I find it distasteful, but people who like hunting will just shrug.

[kestrel91316]

17. I used to go deer hunting with my dad as a kid, and he was as fine a man

as I've ever known. Hunting game does not make for a bad person. Killing an animal you don't then eat is bad.

Factory farming of cattle and pigs is FAR more cruel than hunting.

[Undercurrent]

21. Me too. I went hunting with my dad and,

my mom. Both were skilled hunters. In fact I never tasted cow until I went to the first grade. I still own hunting rifles, but use them only for target practice, and protection. I'm a woman who lives alone in the woods, and there are bear who come into my yard. Thankfully I have never had any trouble with them but during cubbing season they can get a little testy.

[Egnever]

23. Well said.

:hi:

[Codeine]

42. Exactly.

That caribou enjoyed years of happiness and freedom punctuated by a few moments of pain before death. The animals eaten by the posters wailing about barbarism experience a lifetime of pain, deprivation, desperation, terror, and agony followed by a death often far more painful than that offered by a skilled hunter's clean shot.

Why do your posts always rock so hard, kestrel? :)

[Blondiegrrl]

20. Poor kid is being raised to think that trophy hunting is a sport. Contrast that with my daughter,

(8 years old), who said to me just the other day, "Mommy, what do you think about animal racing? Like people racing horses and greyhounds?"

I encourage her to think for herself, so I said, "I don't know. What do YOU think?"

Her answer?

"I think it's cruel. Those animals don't have a choice, and the people run them until they get sick or die."

That's my girl!

[Obamican23]

36. But most racing animal owners dont run their animals to death...

Everything dies and gets sick eventually.

Racing Animals are treated far better then most domesticated ones....

[Blondiegrrl]

50. "most racing animal owners dont run their animals to death"

Barbaro and Eight Belles beg to differ.

[Egnever]

22. Um thats called hunting

Something humans have done for thousands of years.

You really want to bash a basic survival device?

I don't hunt and I am quite sure you don't but that doesn't make it wrong to do so.

[DCofVA]

26. Only 6 Percent of Americans Hunt

I think it would be a lot more productive to make sure that the 94 percent that don't hunt, are offended by what Palin does to animals than, worry about offending the 6 percent that do hunt.
And this picture is just the tip of the iceberg. She is all for shooting wolves and bears from airplanes. How many of them do you think the "hunters" eat?

[Egnever]

27. ok so faux outrage

Cool!. Good luck with that. Use whatever ya think works. I am gonna take a pass on this one though.

Long as she isn't in office come january I am happy.

[Obamican23]

33. and 100% of americans enjoy the spoils of animal domestication

A practice far less fair then hunting. At least a animal being hunted can run away.

[Ichingcarpenter]

37. You are interesting!......... I like you!!! I really do!

I like Pizza do you?

[Obamican23]

40. who doesn't love pizza?

[Ichingcarpenter]

44. some pizzas are different from others

You are new here and I welcome you.

However, this board, may I suggest is one to
allows you to look at data and science.

Many here have advanced degrees.

There are many different kinds of hunting.
I even hunted with a bow at one time.

I don't even think that is fair any more.


I have relatives that are farmers, work on fishing boats
and raise cattle and sheep. I have even worked on a pig farm
in Europe.

I don't eat mammals anymore, but I do eat fowl and fish.

But, I chew up trolls and spit them out.

[DCofVA]

49. Yes, more often than not the animal will run away, only to die...

slowly and painfully from its bullet wound. This is a fact you don’t hear about very often. There is nothing humane about the way humans hunt

[abumbyanyothername]

29. At several points, I have been tempted to hijack this thread

but refrained.

Let me just say that for over 6 months I have been on a diet of exclusively raw fruits, vegetables and nuts. As much of it locally grown as reasonably possible. This might be harder to do in AK than SoCal.

But my point is that humans, in the geographies and climates that humans most likely evolved (or were created, if that is your bent, I'll get to that) began as frugivores, like our close relatives chimpanzees. Our bodies are designed to digest fruit. That's why we like sweets.

Gradually, we adapted to other foods, many of which met our other needs, such as being available in the winter (animal flesh), or being easily grown and stored (grains). But our bodies haven't really kept up and there is a huge price that we are paying in straying so far from our more natural diet. I believe that, nearly every major illness today is a result of our bodies not being able to keep up with processing out the toxic substances we take in in the name of food. I KNOW that I certainly feel better since I have modified my diet drastically.

Almost every culture has an "Expulsion From Paradise" myth, including the Judeo-Christian Garden of Eden. One interpretation of this that makes sense to me, is that at one point we were happily eating a fruit heavy diet and then we shifted whereupon all sorts of problems arose.

Anyway, obviously too much time on my hands, but the point is that perhaps hunting and meat-eating are not historically inherent in the human species if you follow the history back far enough.

By the way, I try not to preach on this topic, but from time to time it comes up and I just offer information to people who may be interested.

[Egnever]

48. Cool post

I draw wildly different conclusions than you but I dig your post just the same.

[Hekate]

30. If she eats what she kills (Mooseburgers anyone?) I am not offended by her hunting...

If she participates in shooting wolves from aircraft, now I'm offended.

All those who eat no animal products please raise your hands. Everyone else, please examine your motives for buying chicken parts and rump roasts wrapped in plastic.

Can we PLEASE talk about Sarah Palin's record on the issues?! She's in favor of letting the polar bears drown, for gods' sake.

Hekate

[Ichingcarpenter]

41. I spent time planting trees in the wilderness for a month in my youth

We killed a elk out of season
caused the 'tree' boss gave us such poor food.



It wasn't a glory kill.
My scottie ate the whole liver and went into hibernation
from gluttony for 4 days.

Her whole hunting shit is a macho ego trip.
The worst kind of hunter.

[Hekate]

46. During the Great Depression my mom's older brothers shot jackrabbits to help feed the family...

... when they needed to. You and your workmates did what you needed to, imo. I'm neither a hunter nor a vegetarian, but I try to be mindful of what I eat. I just get tired of the reflexive bashing of hunters here at DU.

"Her whole hunting shit is a macho ego trip" -- based on what we already know about the Palins, this may be true.

Hekate

[Ichingcarpenter]

47. My Dad hunted Jack Rabbits and squirrels too in the great depression to feed the family

He taught me to hunt wild squirrels in my youth in the forest.

She is a macho ego trip hunter.

My dad is now catch and release on all fish, except one for dinner once in a while.

Her fishing pictures shows a waste too, she had 9 pounds of fish for
2 adults and 2 children.

[Obamican23]

32. What's the big deal?

It's just a animal, I go fishing with my son; whose about that age all the time. He even knows how to gut a fish now.

How is this any different?

[TooRaLoo]

34. !!! I guess her mom didn't like sex-ed, either.

"She married her high school sweetheart Todd... She gave birth to their first son Track less than eight months later."

[Zomby Woof]

38. "Ethics-protecting" my ass!

That's the kind of bullshit LIES the media keeps shoving down our throats.

Hunt, don't hunt - I don't care. But to push her as some kind of ethical savior, when she is a notorious cronyist with the ethics of pond scum.

Fuck the Christ-insane right-wing and their boner for Palin. She's an ignorant and dangerous shithole.

[AZBlue]

43. Actually, that animal doesn't look dead. She didn't even shoot to kill on the first hit.

Which is something most hunters swear by.