Sonofabitch, I don't want to bring up a thread that's trying to sink....

[OneGrassRoot]

so I'm making a new thread. (TO CLARIFY: This is in response to those requesting politely and others snarkily demanding that race not be discussed whatsoever in a way that is seen as "attacking" Palin or others without proof, as they feel it damages Obama.)


Is this or is this not a messageboard where discussion occurs?

Or, is this instead only a place for experienced political operatives to "do their thing?"

I understand why there is concern about silly rumors and such being played up and about people posting in a way that can be construed by the "outside" in a way that turns independents and such off.

I don't question the ability of the Obama Team. And, I DO understand they have to be strategic.

But, WHY DO WE, AVERAGE PEOPLE, have to avoid calling out the BLATANT, GLARING TRUTH?!!!

Why should we sit back and allow the suddenly closet racists to continue to pull the "muslim" card and the "name" card when it all comes down to OUT-AND-OUT RACISM that they have been proud of, vocally, their entire lives?

It's a STRATEGIC MOVE ON THEIR PART to keep it silent. THEY ARE TERRIFIED.

People need to know how deep-seated and dangerous this is...and I feel very, very strongly that most rabid followers of Palin (who KNOW what she is all about) are flat-out racists who have been proud of it their entire lives and want to shout it from the rooftops.

What is different about this than people wanting McCain to show his true temper and lose it? Why not go with truth and transparency for us, the average people, in the field? Including on a messageboard.

There is no rumor about racism still being prevalent. We don't have to hammer Palin in general, but that particular group of people has earned the right to be called out on it.

I mean, geez, there was enough tension and in-fighting here during the primaries, why can't the process of discussion proceed when people are being rational? And, believe me, I'm being very rational about this. I've been knee-deep in it the last few weeks, calling "them" out and them finally being glad to admit that's what it is all about.

They are terrified of Obama similar to us now being terrified of someone like Palin (extremist wingnut) in the White House.

They are a subset that needs to be exposed. A rather large subset of the population throughout the country.

This is just my opinion. Not as an operative, but as a human being, as an American citizen.

I resent essentially being called a dumbass because I believe truth should be exposed. Perhaps they can have a different forum for unexperienced dumbasses to discuss these issues, and a separate forum for experienced operatives, so outsiders won't take what we post to heart and we can therefore discuss freely.

:shrug:

[goldcanyonaz]

1. Is this another Lucille at the diner topic?

[MrModerate]

2. Umm . . . when your post shows up at the top of the stack . . .

And the posts (or even flood) that you're responding to are 20 or 50 or 100 posts old.

And you don't explicitly identify your subject.

Then we don't know WTF you're talking about.

Please expand.

[OneGrassRoot]

3. It's about the Palin-sambo threads here... sorry....

It's the whole discussion about racism: some believe it shouldn't be even hinted at as it may be harmful to Obama's candidacy, others believe it should be exposed as what it is.

I'm obviously in the latter camp.

[Elidor]

4. It's simple, really

If something upsets me, then I'm afraid none of you can discuss it in front of me, no matter if it's plausible or even relevant. And if you do, I'll pitch a fit. I should be able to read this board without having to hide threads or ignore users. Sorry to force my rigid morality on the rest of you, but you'll get used to it.

/sarcasm, in case it doesn't register with some

[sfam]

5. I get extremely sick of the "we are all junior operatives" bullshit...nobody but dems here folks...

Truly, nobody other than us will ever care what we post here. We aren't doing Obama any favors, nor are we causing him any harm REGARDLESS what's posted. Yeah, sure, if we have lots of "Obama is a fink" type posts, this might be picked up by someone, but that's not even allowed here - and we rarely see this anyways.

So yeah, in my mind its a discussion board. People who try to censure others here have a seriously inflated sense of importance. If you want to truly affect the campaign, I suggest volunteering at the local Obama office. Censuring others here just doesn't qualify as helping the campaign.