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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:03 AM
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I still have hope.
Please recommend if you do, too, even if it's small.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:03 AM
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1. SMALL hope? Have you looked at the EC numbers?
Obama is going to win.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:11 AM
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8. BIG TIME...State EV are what's impportant and i see landslide
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:36 AM
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16. I don't see a landslide...
...but I see it will be a lot easier for Obama/Biden to reach 270 than it will be for McCain/Palin. We really only need to win one big or two small swing states; they need to win all of them.

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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:05 AM
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2. After that disaster tonight?
And we haven't even had the debates yet.

Stick a fork in them. They are done.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:37 AM
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3. oh good god, yes i have hope
It's sort of like the way you feel really really super good after you puke, when the nausea is gone and all is right with the world--Bush will be gone soon, and all his little demons with him.

At least one of these several hundred Palin scandals will stick, or people will find out that McCain isn't all that mavericky when it comes to choice (yes, there are people who think he's pro-choice!!! Strange but true!), and all will be well. I'm not sanguine, because I fear election fraud far more than I feel the resuscitation of the Republican party, but I do think that everything will be okay.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:43 AM
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4. me, personally
i worry

the electorate is so gullible

and the way mccain panders to the war mongering creationists scares me

his grasp of the role of emotion in elections seems pretty sophisticated, while the lies he was spewing are outrageous...but the masses may fall for it

how should dems counter this?

and, why does cnn have seemingly continuous right wing dem bashers on? like glenn beck, for e.g.?

why no counterbalance, at the very least?

why give air time to someone who continually spews lies about progressives and dems?

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:53 AM
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5. Apparently they aren't as gullible as you think they are
Obama is still comfortably ahead in the polls.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:17 AM
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11. That WILL change tomorrow...
...because Obama's big polling day of Monday will drop out of the averages and be replaced by yesterday's polling, taken at the height of Palin-mania. Probably, McCain will be ahead by the weekend, but it won't matter because that will be due to his convention bounce, which will fade like they always do.

To any potential Chicken Littles, I would advise you ignore poll results until at least mid-month, or until a few days before the first debate, and just consider the race tied. Your blood pressure will thank you.

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:23 AM
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13. I think this is an entirely different horserace
We WILL see movement tomorrow but I doubt it will be enough to kick Obama out of the lead.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:34 AM
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15. It probably won't be enough to give McCain the lead...
...but I think subsequent days (in which the last two days of a narrow Obama lead drop out and are replaced by "convention bounce" days) will probably do so. Plus, the weekend is coming up, and Obama generally doesn't poll as well on weekends (because younger voters are away from home and so can't be reached by the pollsters).

I'm just saying it's very likely to happen, and no one should panic when and if it does.

And one thing's for sure...if we don't see a solid G.O.P. convention bounce in the next few days, if Monday finds Obama still being up by four or five points and not having relinquished his lead during that time, McCain is in a world of trouble. For, if they can't gain a decent bump from their convention, when they have had a media monopoly to give it their best shot, when do they expect to do it in the next two months?

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:41 AM
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17. Oh, of course. The point is there won't be a substantive long-term dive
And we have the debates ahead, too.

The electoral college math, of course, is the important stuff and that still looks very positive.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:45 AM
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18. Exactly...
Edited on Fri Sep-05-08 02:47 AM by regnaD kciN
I was mainly writing the above because of some comments from Chicken Littles on MyDD who were saying that, if McCain goes up by three or four points (which he may well do) in the tracking polls by the weekend, "it's over" and we're sure to lose in November. I want people to realize that it just isn't so -- that any swing to McCain (however likely) is going to be short-term at best, and really will have no effect in the long run.

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:48 AM
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19. Excellent points, all around n/t
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:59 AM
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6. I have a lot of hope.
It's no time to rest on our laurels, but shit, I've got a lot of hope.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:10 AM
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7. Huge hope --- on the issues, we will totally kick ass and win the GE
And as I've posted elsewhere, and stay away from the Sarah soap opera. She will sink herself!
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2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:15 AM
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9. Sorry, I can't recommend this because my hope has not wavered in the least
and your post is worded in a way that seems to imply that what has happened in the past week might have somehow weakened that hope.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 07:36 AM
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20. please read some of the posts on my journal
I have had no hope, probably my whole life, until just a few months ago. And for me, this past week made me question that I was going to lose what I had.

I did not imply anything. I was stating the truth as I saw it.

I could use another hope story, could you tell me what yours is like?

thanks
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2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:38 AM
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21. Sarah Palin energized the RNC base, nothing more
The Republicans just had a convention in which their main theme was, essentially, "the end of this mess in Washington." They're speaking out against the mess they made, and promising to do better next time.

Other than convincing their base not to roll over and die, the Palin pick and the R convention did nothing to help their cause.

Oh, and Palin's mocking of community organizers was a gift from God! When that woman makes a gaffe, she makes it loud and clear. That line alone will be their undoing.

Now here's what we have to look forward to with Palin: They're going to have to either keep her on a short leash, which the media will mock endlessly (they don't like being denied access to a major story), or they're going to have to let her loose to do interviews. If they let her loose, she'll give us a lot of Dan Quayle moments.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:16 AM
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10. GIGANTIC HOPE ..."[in letter to Red] Remember Red, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things...
Edited on Fri Sep-05-08 02:18 AM by quantass
... and no good thing ever dies." (Shawshank Redemption -- one of the greatest films ever made (IMDB's #1 flick) - has the ongoing theme about Hope ... BRILLIANT! You should watch it...but then again, everyone's already seen it :bounce:

"Barack Obama - who crawled through a river of shit and came out clean on the other side."

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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:18 AM
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12. Hope is powerful! K&R
...and contagious! :pals:

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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:28 AM
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14. While it will be a hard struggle (as it always was)...
...I certainly have a lot of hope, because:

1) We've got one of the smartest, coolest candidates ever. (Watch him in his press conference today as well as his appearance on the BillO show, and see if you don't agree.)

2) We're running against a party whose eighth-year President has a 28% approval rating.

All we have to do is make sure the G.O.P. can't turn this into a game of "Trivial Pursuit" (distracting people from realizing that the Republicans are the ones who created the mess we have today), and we should be able to win pretty solidly.

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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:41 AM
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22. Have you been paying attention? There's plenty to be hopeful about.
The past few days were a fiasco for the Republican Party. :D
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