There is a disconnect there, and we are falling for it..

[question everything]

or really do not have a choice.

How prevalent is teen pregnancy? Among middle class two-parents home? Among so-called "family values" homes?

For years, we have heard them condemning teen pregnancies, blaming everything on them, including, I think, 9/11, Katrina, the California fires, etc. And, of course, blaming us, the hippies liberals who let their daughters roam the streets free.

Their daughters took a vow of chastity. Their daughters celebrated that "father's pride" - or whatever that ceremony was called.

Heck, even "Murphy Brown," certainly not a teen and not a blushing virgin was condemned for.. what exactly, not having an abortion? For keeping the baby? (For the ones who forgot, this was a TV program that Dan Quayle decided to take on. The father was an old activist boyfriend who came to visit, decided that he preferred the Rain Forest and left and Murphy chose not to tell him, not to make him stay).

So now they are trying to tell us that Palin is "everyday mom" with whom so many moms can identify? Oh really? How many two parents had their daughter getting pregnant? Not the Clintons' not the Gores' not the Kerrys'.

Yes, things like that happen. But not on a regular basis for the Republicans to be proud of her.

I read that that radio talk show - Dobson - has been preaching for women to stay at home, yet he has been praising her selections.

It is not about the poor daughter and her partner. It is not even about personal affairs of families. It is the hypocrisy of it all. And there is not much we can do. Since we've never made a big deal about teen sexuality. We tried to prepare them. We've always said that whether a woman chooses to stay at home or work outside; whether a woman - of any age - chooses to carry her pregnancy to term or not - it is her business. So now there is nothing we can say about the Palins. Except to dig quotes from known right wingers like Dobson and others and throw it back in their faces. And watch them shrug and say: so I changed my mind..

And we cannot even say much about her lack of experience because they throw it back at Obama and we end up splitting hair about two years at the governor mansion vs. two years at the U.S. Senate (let's be honest, once Obama declared his candidacy in the beginning of 2007 he did not spend much time in the Senate).

And this is why it is so infuriating.

Unless some wise minds can offer better rebuttal.

[book_worm]

1. they can throw inexperience back on Obama?

Obama has been in Senate 4 years and prior to that represented a state senate district in IL with almost as many people as the state of Alaska. He has been vetted by voters over 18 months and has a long record of community service. But true, there whole argument was that Obama wasn't ready to be president, but to take on Palin to curry favor with the extremists they had to forfeit that issue by and large because it won't wash. In the end all they are left with is the old "tax and spend" thing which given the GOP record won't wash either.

[question everything]

7. Interesting comment that I just heard on MSNBC

Several weeks ago, when VA gov. Kaine was on Obama short list, Rove belittled his experience as only 3 years as a governor and a mayor of a major city.

[NRaleighLiberal]

2. The word of the week is Hypocrisy. The Dem talking heads need to learn and use it. constantly.

[msongs]

3. without complete hypocrisy the entire christo-republican structure collapses and

unfortunately the dems as a whole are not willing to criticize the hypocrisy, thus the repubs get away with it election after election.

We think a woman who shoves family values up everyone's butts yet has an unmarried teen pregnant daughter is a hypocrite and should be ashamed, but that woman, her daughter, and christo-republicans do not care because it is their own kind. those moral rules do not apply to themselves, only to others, so they see nothing wrong with the hypocrisy.

Just as we see the adulterer john McCain as suspect, they see him as forgiven. Of course they do not see bill Clinton in the same light.

They see the fake war hero who failed his mission, lost his plane, and allowed himself to be captured as somebody virtuous because he was in prison and survived. While that survival is admirable, it does not make him a war hero for anything he did in combat, it makes him a survivor.

they claim their VP nominee has more exec experience than obama and biden together, yet they do not care that she also has more than their buddy McCain, because he is the fake war hero with years in the senate lol

Their morals and hypocrisy allow them to say and do anything to win.

Msongs
Riverside CA

[question everything]

6. That's it. When it is their own, then it is OK

when it is ours - shame and damnation.

[scarletwoman]

4. From another thread: when they say Palin has more "executive experience" than Obama, point out

that she also has more "executive experience" than MCCAIN!

[NashVegas]

5. Palin's the Pro-Teen Pregnancy Candidate