Enough with the Pregnancy Crap.

[SidneyCarton]

So it’s official, Governor Palin’s daughter is pregnant. Why is this an issue? What differentiates Bristol Palin from any one of the thousands of other pregnant teens in our nation today? Why the attention, why the furor? Yes, she is the daughter of the Republican Vice Presidential Nominee. Yes, her mother has a vehement anti-abortion stance. Yes, Governor Palin was an active proponent of abstinence-only education, hence the irony of this situation is not altogether lost on me. Yet my capacity of schadenfreude is limited by the fact that the true misfortune is not being suffered by the person whom it seems to be intended.

Miss Palin is not running for elected office, she has written no laws, advocated no policies, nor has she set herself up as an example for anyone else. She is a teenage girl, who is facing the consequences of decisions she made, unfortunately for her she gets to face these consequences in the harsh glare of a media circus.

I know, were it one of the Obama girls in this situation, the Right would have no end to their triumphant crowing, but Senator Obama has already set the tone for this situation, saying, “And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories,” he said. “You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and, you know, teenage children, that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that’s off limits.”

If our candidate, who has faced brutal mudslinging, attacking his faith, his family, his wife, his mother, and his character, and still argues for restraint, we who sit in the comparative safety of obscurity, ought to follow his example. This girl will have a hard enough time without the self-righteous crowing of partisan finger-waggers, if you want to attack Governor Palin, she has given us plenty of material, let’s use it instead.

[cali]

1. blame her disgustingly selfish pig of a mother and her equally

disgusting father. What the hell kind of parent would drag their child into this kind of spotlight when she's pregnant and unmarried. Sorry, the media is covering this big time. Don't like it? Too bad.

[SidneyCarton]

6. I do blame her mother and her father.

That said the media suffers from mental dysentery and spews shit over all of us. Am I to swallow it and smile while doing so?

[Virginia Dare]

9. No, but we're not the media and we don't control it..

that's obvious, plenty of issues have been thoroughly covered her that the media wouldn't touch.

[SidneyCarton]

13. Indeed, and you have every right to politically vivisect Miss Palin here if you wish.

Such is the nature of freedom of speech. I, in turn have the right to tell you to stop and say that this is immoral. You in turn have the right to tell me to screw off, and I can respond by telling where you can go and tell you what you can do with yourself when you get there. To which you can choose to ignore me, or respond with another insult.

Isn't Democracy Wonderful?

[seabeyond]

2. they are running on family value, real mom, and that is all. yet we see she put self before daughter

that is failing at family values and being a "real mom"

that is the relevency

[seabeyond]

5. oh.... and in case you have not figured it out, changed direction of convention

not hoorah'ing mccain. talking about he not vetting. poor pick. risky. and focused on palin instead of him. has media asking, what else dont we know. has them looking, and looking at troopergate and aip and so to be other stories.


it took all glory out of the convention

[JVS]

3. What proof have they offered? All the questions of before remain unanswered.

[SidneyCarton]

8. I'm talking about her daughter's current pregnancy, that has been admitted to.

Having no proof about the other pregnancy, I make no assumptions.

[JVS]

11. They have not answered any questions and they have given no proof of the daughter's pregnancy.

They have just declared it. It doesn't explain anything. It's just an attempt to stop investigation

[SidneyCarton]

18. What's to investigate?

I would assume it's self evident how one gets pregnant.

[JVS]

24. And we are to simply take their word that Bristol is 5 months pregnant?

And not wonder why she was out of school with Mono for several months before even getting pregnant.

The facts still don't add up.

[SidneyCarton]

26. Maybe it's satan's baby?

Maybe she has been inpregnated with the clone of L. Ron Hubbard? Or maybe it's Ronald Reagan? Perhaps she is the chosen vessel of Revrend Moon's new Messiah? How the hell am I supposed to know?

[JVS]

27. Maybe she's faking a pregnancy now. We have no proof she's pregnant other than their word

Their word which was given to quash rumors that she might be Trig's mother

[SidneyCarton]

32. Ok, I see what you're saying, but I'll still withold judgment on that...

Seems the truth will "out" in about 4.5 months if this is a lie.

[JVS]

41. Unless a "tragic miscarriage" occurs.

The whisper campaign goes on until the following questions are answered:
Why was Bristol out of school for several months for a sickness that usually lasts several weeks?
How and why did Sarah endure such extensive travels in labor, and what doctor would endorse suck recklessness?
What is the story behind Sarah announcing a pregnancy at 7 months to the surprise of all around her?
If Bristol is 5 months pregnant, why was this not announced a month or 2 ago before the whole world was watching her? It seems that this could have been much less traumatic for her.
What proof is there that Bristol is now 5 months pregnant beyond Palin's statement?

Every bit of information they have released so far has failed to answer the questions and instead generates more questions.

[SidneyCarton]

42. And I thought I was paranoid.

I salute sir, my superior in this forum. If all you say is true, you will have my complements indeed in several months.

[JVS]

44. But that's the thing. I haven't said anything. I just have questions

[SidneyCarton]

46. True, but they are compelling questions.

And if certain things do or do not occur in the coming months, your questions will lead to some very specific likely answers.

[SidneyCarton]

19. Duplicate Post

Oops.

[katandmoon]

4. Sidney, you're my favorite Dickens character, but that genie is out of the bottle

As permanently as your head is in a basket.

[SidneyCarton]

10. The upside to being decaptiated is that I never need to shave or get a haircut anymore.

That said, better a head in a basket than up my arse like McCain.

[Virginia Dare]

7. It may be off limits for Obama, but it isn't for me..

I will continue to point out the extreme hypocrisy of a politician who is running for the 2nd highest political post in the country who advocates abstinance only and would like to see a woman's right to choose challenged in court, and whose 17 year old unmarried daughter turns up pregnant.

Did I mention that she is totally unqualified for the job and it scares the hell out of me that she might be a 72 year old cancer surviving heart beat away from the Presidency?

[hamsterjill]

12. Me, too.

n/t

[secondwind]

14. As to the mother's pregnancy with the little boy,

Lots of women have two babies in less than one year.........it IS doable. My mother was one of them.

[Growler]

15. I totally agree with your post!! n/t

[Libby2]

20. Amen sister!

[Growler]

16. Sarah Palin herself has made it an important topic

The way Bristol was raised directly contradicts both the policies that Sarah endorses, as well as her public persona. It is entirely relevant to discuss this.

[SidneyCarton]

17. Then make sure you direct your criticisms at the right target.

[seabeyond]

22. most everyone is..... that is what is so stupid about leave the child alone. we are

leaving the child alone. we have empathy for the child. it is the PARENTS who put the child in this situation. it is the parents that self interest overrode the interest of the child.

has been said repeatedly

and repeatedly you and others yell leave the child alone..... well no fuckin shit

[SidneyCarton]

29. Fair enough, I have been roundly chastised, do go on...

But while fascism runs rampant in the streets of St. Paul, I find it funny that this is the only issue we have to talk about.

[seabeyond]

30. thanks for giving me permission and talking about this doesnt exclude

knowing what is happening in st paul.

[SidneyCarton]

35. you're right...

But thread position is based on activity, so where are the pregnancy threads in respect to the St. Paul threads? Also, volume counts (and being that I posted on this topic I am as much to blame as anyone else) so if there are 50 threads on Chuggo (bad lounge joke, I know) and only 3 threads on John McCain, who is more likely to get activity?

[ObamanationYes1]

21. Don't Forget that Obama was born out of wedlock

Someone in another similar thread asked if there aren't some of us who are proud babies born out of wedlock. Obama, himself, is one such baby. I am so proud of him for saying that this topic is off limits.

No matter how hard you try to make this about the mother, it is bringing attention to the 17 year old, and we are better than that.

Before you accuse me of being a troll --- I am actually ObamaNationYes (without the 1 in my user name) but I cannot locate my password. I have changed computers and email addresses recently because I caught a dreadful Trojan virus!

[seabeyond]

23. it isnt about out of wedlock. it is about a parent whose self interest OVERRODE the interest of the

now the right would go after the child and then some, .... we are talking about a parent who had a choice, expose her daughter or say no thank you to vp.

she chose vp

in that argument do you see ANY attack on the child

NONE

so back off

[ObamanationYes1]

25. I did not mean to say that you (and others) are attacking the child

...but all attacks bring the spotlight to Bristol and her situation, and I feel for her. There are SOOO many other issues to be talking about that show Sarah Palin as a fraud and unqualified.

[seabeyond]

28. you know what.... i feel for her too. that is what fuckin pisses me off. the assholes

that fuckin come out and boast what parents they are, family values, .... and then in our face they exactly screw their kids for their own wants. a child comes BEFORE the parent. this woman is running ONLY on being a real mom and family values...... it is bullshit.

i also feel for the baby that had a mom that would chose to put its life at risk by getting on a fuckin plane when her water breaks. 18 and half hours this woman didnt seek medical care when EVERY friggin mom would have immediately gone to the hospital. and then she lectures me.... on parenting and choices ect

further.... the even BIGGER issue on this

if this woman has a life and death choice to make with her OWN child and fails, what kind of judgment does she have if she has to step into pres and do it for all of us

YES

it is a BIG deal

[SidneyCarton]

31. As far as Gov. Palin's judgment goes, I cannot agree more.

She is a liability that should never be let near nukes, or any real power on the international scale. In a way this whole situation is a cautionary tale, beware of boasting of your parenting skills, your children have ways of exposing your hypocrisy you never thought of.

That said, is this really all there is to talk about?

[seabeyond]

33. i dont know sidney, .... i think i have hit about 20 or more subject just today. so at a guess

i would say no

i would more wonder why this is the ONLY subject you seem to being seeing on the board

[SidneyCarton]

37. Myopia, I guess...

It's hard to see anything when your head is lying in a basket. It makes concerts a real drag too, unless I toss it out to let it crowd surf, but I get such a headache...

[seabeyond]

38. ya

:hug:

this too will pass... and then we will jsut be on to another one. how it works during election season. it gets tough

[ObamanationYes1]

34. I do not disagree with those points

but if every child's actions and results of those actions were scrutinized and used to disqualify the candidates' parenting skills/judgement ...lots of repubs AND DEMS would not make the grade, and lots of Repub and Dem children would be humiliated in public.

[nini]

36. While I do not agree with discussing the daughter

I can understand why people are like rabid dogs on this.

WE have been insulted, demeaned, abused and ridiculed for the last 25 years or so by the sanctimonious mother fuckers who have convinced their minions we have NO morals, NO character, we are liars, we are lazy, we are (add you own crap you've heard).

While WE have always known they are the lying, immorale sacks of crap - something finally has caused their big bubble of poo to explode where they are exposed as the ones who are lying hypocrites. I can't blame anyone for throwing it back in their face.

We know there are weak people on all sides of the political spectrum. When we do something wrong it's because we're immorale. When they did it's a personal matter and they find a way to spin it into a good thing.

Fuck that - I am sick of them saying I am a bad person because I choose not to support lying, greedy, power grabbing monsters.

They deserve everything that is happening right now.


I do wish the focus would stay on Sarah Palin - not her daughter though. She didn't ask to be put in the spotlight - her sick mother did.

[driver8]

39. Well said!

The Republicans have exploited EVERYTHING about Dems in the past...it is time for them to reap what they have sown.

I'm sorry the daughter is involved in this, but if her mother wants to be the Rethuglicans choice for VP, then this needs to be discussed.

[SidneyCarton]

40. Fair enough, but to paraphrase Capt. Fluellen of Shakespeares Henry V:

Just because our enemy are a collection of asses, fools and prating cockscombes (your guess is as good as mine on this one) does not mean that we too in turn must become asses fools and prating cockscombes as well.

[nini]

43. Do you not get what is at stake here?

It's a war to get this country back on track here. Our nature is to be kind which is why we are Democrats who care about the poor etc. and it's hard to go for the jugular. However, IF we do not take the opportunities given to us to break down their bullshit we cannot get this country back on track.

We will only be fools if we fail to counter their hypocrisy with facts, if we fail to prove they are the party who does NOT put their own families before their ambitions, that they lie, that they are immoral in how THEY govern.

We don't have to be asses - we have to be determined and aggressive.

[SidneyCarton]

45. Indeed, determined and agressive.

Tell me, how does endless carping on this make us either. Mindlessly agressive perhaps, like a maddened bull, who charges at anything, including the sharpened stakes of a rovian trap, but hardly determined.

Yes, I realize the stakes. I also realize that at some point a line must be drawn. I'm not a political purist in any sense of the word, but if we cannot be better than our opposition in at least some categories, the question arises as to whether we are a better alternative. I am not an Obama supporter because I'm looking for a liberal Bush administration, who will screw other groups over in order to allow myself to fatten up at the public largesse. I'm an Obama supporter because I want him to work to fix our country.

[nini]

51. If you think the insanity on DU is driving the topic in the general public

I would disagree. We are venting here. The media is still covering for her stupid ass.

Other issues are also being discussed like her ethics issues, her AIS membership, her lack of foreign policy etc.. HOWEVER if the last 20 years or so have proven ANYTHING those aren't the things the ignorant masses pay attention to - it's this crap.

We are a country of The Enquirer generation being at the forefront. Ignoring an opportunity to knock them down is not something we can do right now because we want to play nice.

Fuck it - my gloves are off and I'm sick of letting them lay out the playing field. THEY are on the defensive now and that's how it should be.

[SidneyCarton]

52. Have fun.

[cap]

47. I hate to say it but it works

my MIL who had been making all kinds of nasty racist remarks about Obama and starting to riff on how brilliant McCain is and had started defending Palin has been shutdown. Unfortunately, an appeal to issues wasn't working but salaciousness does.

[SidneyCarton]

48. You raise a good point.

You will forgive me if I don't rejoice over the fact that this is the case.

As far as criticism of Gov. Palin on this issue goes, do feel free, but realize the thin line we tread between criticizing the hypocrisy of the mother and crucifying a 17-year old in the court of public opinion. She may well be a child of the enemy, and a symbol of all that has gone wrong with the right, but she is also a pregnant teenager, and we don't really cover ourselves in glory by wallowing in this.

[cap]

53. agreed

[mitchum]

49. Oh the fecundity!

[SidneyCarton]

50. Ok, points for teh funny.

:spray: