My wife just talked on the phone to a woman from Palin's town...

[blitzen]

My wife's job involves taking phone orders from people around the country. She just happened to speak with a woman from Wasilla. For what it's worth, she said:

Palin is not bright but she's cunning. Her family is dysfunctional. And everyone in town knows the baby is not hers.

[dailykoff]

1. Whoa.

She sounds like the perfect Rove-era GOP tool. Thanks for the tip!

[whatchamacallit]

10. Maybe, but tell me how this nefarious plan plays out

If we talk about, so what? We're nobody. If the press picks it up, they take the lumps if it's dis-proven. It's only a real problem if the Obama-Biden ticket or their official surrogates take the bait, which is unlikely to happen. So how exactly does this "trap" work?

[dailykoff]

13. What I mean is, she's perfect for the type they choose

to fill public offices. They've got the goods on her, and could smash her anytime they like, and she knows it. So she'll do what she's told.

[whatchamacallit]

16. ah... Interesting thought

It would make sense for the neocons to pick people who won't upset their apple cart.

[dailykoff]

38. The wedge-issue angle makes it even better.

They knew she'd get the "don't hurt her" treatment she's getting. These guys are, well, cunning. ;)

[krkaufman]

84. Yep, they is.

And they probably think they can keep her under wraps until the election, avoiding any real vetting. (And I can see why the fundies are in love with her, she's a deeper fundie than W.)

[Cha]

39. "Cunning" ..is what describes the articles that have been

linked on the internet to date.

PALIN-tology - 45+ Problems for McCain's VP in just 35 hours
by BoBo2020
Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 06:28:59 PM PDT
(From the diaries -- kos)

<snip>

26)Like Bush and McCain, she can't admit when she's wrong.

27)She's linked to the Dominionist movement and Joel's Army.

28)The United Steelworkers have already spoken out against her.

29)She was a bad mayor who left her town's economy in tatters.

30)She supported Obama's energy plan, but suddenly these references are disappearing.

<snip>

48)There have been discussion of witness tampering and possible impeachment hearings related to charges of her abuse of power

49)MEME: Palin's selection provides a clear example of John McCain's hasty decision-making and poor judgement on important issues (like who would be best qualified to take his place if he could not complete his term).

50)She wants to destroy 1.5 MILLION ACRES of ANWR, not the 2000 acres she has lied about on the news.

51)Palin stated "I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq.."


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/201818/606/27/580690
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6840341

And Growing!:bounce:

[dailykoff]

46. Yep, evidently she'll do anything to win

and is perfectly happy to lie, cheat, and abuse her power in petty ways once she gets it, just like all the rest of the neocons. A match made in heaven.

[RichGirl]

43. Just like the John Edwards story.

The republicans had nothing to do with the outing. At least not overtly. Stories like that have a life of their own.

[MindMatter]

70. Obama/Biden won't touch it. The MSM will not pursue it.

But that leaves the other 98% of the media, which will look at it.

The way it plays out is this:

1) the initial reaction from women was negative -- they are LESS likely to support McCain. If this story is true, not only is she a golddigger, but she is a clear liar. This will prevent most women from warning up to her.

2) The initial reaction from Men was favorable -- MORE likely to vote for McCain. The reason is pretty obvious. She is hot, and if that old dag can figure out how to have a multi0millionaire keep him and a hottie at his side every day, well, that guy gets my vote. But when men find out she was lying about this baby, well that's just creepy. Most men will lose their enthusiasm for her because we have all met hot-looking women who are nuts, and that are big trouble. Men have instincts for this.

3) The one place she helps is the fundie vote. But if this story is true, a few of them will be troubled by that. Truth is, most of them live their lives with moral dissonance like this. The truth is rarely the same as the holier-than-thou aura. So who knows, they might close ranks around her.

But when this comes out into the open, McCain will have to disown her because there comes a time when the MSM would have to start asking questions.

It is OK for the National Enquirer to lead the way. After all, its readership is right in the middle of McCain's wheelhouse.

I imagine there are some very intense discussions going on this very minute at McCain Central. By now, they have probably confronted her and learned it is true. They are now looking at their options, all of which suck.

A) Throw her under the bus today and announce Romney as VP at the convention
B) See if the story will just go away. Try to ignore it.
C) Decide they are going all the way with Palin, which means they will have to get ultra dirty with Obama to take attention away from Palin.

[marlakay]

88. With this one the msm doesn't matter

it is such juicy gossip that every woman in america will hear about it. as women we are appalled at her going on a plane so callously like that and if it turns out to be her daughters, we understand why she would want to protect her child, but as gov she can't lie like that...sorry.

[TexasObserver]

2. "And everyone in town knows the baby is not hers"

thanks

[redqueen]

3. They've been talking about it up there for months...

it's certainly not a new story made up just cause she's McDirtyOldMan's VP pick.

[mnhtnbb]

5. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm actually looking forward to the

National Enquirer story to put the rumors to rest.

[TexasObserver]

15. Yes, like they put the Edwards story to bed.

Hiding her daughter's pregnancy would be entirely consistent with the nature of her religion. SHAME is one of the biggest components of how they think and behave. The whole church probably knows it, but they'll clam up like a cult.

[mnhtnbb]

19. Frankly, I'd like, for once, to see the Repubs outed with their lies and deception.

[D23MIURG23]

89. Highly unlikely, even if the story were untrue ( I don't know or care if it is).

The National Enquirer stands to make more money with a story full of insinuations and unproven accusations then a more honest one that puts a rumor to rest. If they pick this story up their calculus is going involve weighing what they can say and insinuate without causing a backlash and/or libel suit.

This is a publication that thrives on rumor and controversy.

[JVS]

4. HOOOOWAAAHHH!

We're gonna nail them good!

[seabeyond]

6. i can pretty well guarentee if dominion your family is dysfunctional. it has to be

it goes against spirit and the very nature of who we are

[liberal N proud]

7. Cunning...

From Websters:
Characterized by wiliness and trickery

[seabeyond]

8. dupe

[Jokinomx]

9. This is getting TOOOO Good.... My God this is simply

outrageous. In less than 48 hours we know all we need to know about palin and what she stands for....

Thanks for sharing....

:toast:

[DainBramaged]

11. HOLY SHIT, HOLY SHIT, HOLY SHIT

see above

[vaberella]

26. You're response is similar to those PUMAS when the "whitey" video rumor hit town. n/t

[JVS]

36. So what? Palin isn't a fellow Democrat.

[vaberella]

40. So, it shows how much progressives and freepers are very alike when it comes to childishness.

And living on lies rather than gathering the truth. ~sigh~ I thought that would be apparent.

[JVS]

47. We are gathering truth. Ugly disgusting dirty and useful truth.

[mitchum]

81. LMAO!

"We are gathering truth. Ugly disgusting dirty and useful truth" is now my motto to live by
Thanks!

[DainBramaged]

41. Keep stalking me this is your ONLY warning.

[vaberella]

44. Two threads in which I answered your posts and I'm stalking ?! You're not worthy of stalking.

Your post was the one that struck me and then I caught the name.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

12. "Palin is not bright but she's cunning" Nails it.

The world is full of stupid-yet-ambitious people and they wreak a lot of damage. Palin is a female George Bush.

[kestrel91316]

17. "......Palin is a female George Bush....."

This is what I have been saying. They probably held his cocaine conviction over his head to control him, and they will hold baby over HER head to control her.

In her church, her biggest fear has got to be being foundlacking in her mothering and child-rearing skills, presumably because she works outside the home instead of staying in the kitchen and tending the little ones. They would call her an ungodly woman. NOT a good submissive Christian.

[roguevalley]

80. you know, you are overthinking here. They are ego driven. People

said be president and/or vice president and they preened, pranced and said yes. End of story. I think its that easy. Given their baggage, only a HUGE ego would think it would be alright, an entitlement ego.

[Barack_America]

20. Oh god.

That is indeed a terrifying thought.

[nc4bo]

14. I wonder if her daughter had a relationship with an Alaskan native?

That's if any of this story is true.

Wouldn't that explain the unusual looks of the infant, strong genes being what they are?

And about the Down's Syndrome... shouldn't we keep in mind that it will become very physically apparent as the child reaches 1 or 2 years old, so why lie about it?

I don't know what to think about it, it's smells fishy but difficult to prove unless there's a paper trail or Palin comes clean.

[Cleita]

21. I heard her husband is half Native Eskimo so I don't think it matters.

You know I've been to Alaska a couple of times and it's the only state that doesn't have Indian Reservations except one small one on the panhandle. Some Eskimos and other Native people still live out in the bush like their ancestors. Others have culturally adapted to the modern world. They have freely intermarried with Europeans and all live together in the same neighborhoods and their children go to the same schools. I couldn't help notice the mixed race couples and their children all over the place. The last time I was there a year ago, the tour bus and tourist attraction operators were fifty percent First Nation people and they told you so. I don't think this is the issue. Let's not overlay our prejudices on these people. Doing so will alienate the voters who from what I can see are in the majority for Obama. Pick on the real issues like her Republican neo-con political ideology and abuse of power while in public office.

[nc4bo]

53. no-no - not the racial mixing angle.........

sorry if you got that idea. I meant the typical native features which may get mistaken for a DS baby.

Like I said, if she lied (which I hope she didn't) about Down's syndrome, this would become very apparent as the child grew older.

[LibGranny]

87. "Typical Native Features"

FYI - I'm a "typical native" and neither I nor any of my children/grandchildren resemble someone with Down Syndrome. You're displaying your ignorance!

[nc4bo]

63. I'm thinking along the lines of voters (particularly women) having sympathy for her

maybe even seeing her as being heroic. Hard working mom of 5, one of them with a handicap, now Vice Presidential a potential VP, balancing home, family and country yada-yada.

[Iris]

85. ..er...I wouldn't count on it.

Most women aren't THAT nice.

[busymom]

18. My friend's dog talked to Palin's dog and the dog said

she give him all of their leftovers.

For God's sake, people. Get a half of a brain, please.

[mnhtnbb]

22. You gotta' understand small towns. It's almost impossible to keep secrets.

[busymom]

25. I live in a small town, and a lot of those secrets

are creations of people with a little bit too much time on their hands.

[vaberella]

28. Exactly. n/t

[Honeycombe8]

27. Yes. Like living in a fish bowl. No secrets. None. Though they may not be spoken

aloud in a crowd, everyone knows the skinny on everyone else.

[busymom]

29. And they make UP the skinny. I LIVE in a small town, and I can't

tell you how much bullshit floats around here.

[Honeycombe8]

56. You must live in a bad town. Mine was on the money....true secrets. nt

[blitzen]

42. whatever....But the fact is that this phone conversation did just take place...

and I was sitting a few feet away at the time. Just reporting what I heard, not making up bullshit.

[greguganus]

64. We should get the area code for that town and randomly call people n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

78. The area code is 907

If it is in Alaska, the area code is 907.

[Honeycombe8]

23. That doesn't do anyone any good unless it can be PROVEN. And I'm betting a GOVERNOR...

has fixed the records.

Still...I hope the Dems are checking into it.

[1Hippiechick]

30. As in fixing records about her former brother in law.... n/t

[vaberella]

24. Hearsay...moving on. n/t

[DCBob]

31. Why isn't the National Enquirer all over this?

Like they were with John Edwards.

[vaberella]

32. Send it to them, I'm sure they will be. n/t

[dailykoff]

35. Not if they want to keep breathing they won't. n/t

[dailykoff]

33. Anthrax.

Next quuestion?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

59. I thought of that earlier and said, but wait! The anthrax killer

suicided himself........

[dailykoff]

65. Right. Amazing that at this late date anybody thinks the media will do jack

to expose the most obvious and ludicrous GOP lie. They've had seven years to prove they won't.

[JVS]

37. Give them some time to do the research

[DCBob]

50. This sounds like juicy tabloid stuff. Let them do the dirty work.

Obama supporters don't need to do anything.

[MindMatter]

73. Sex, Lies, and Power. This story is irresistable.

The MSM won't be able to help themselves. This is the only "news" they cover anymore.

[dailykoff]

77. Only if it concerns Dems. Pukes get the hush hush treatment.

Haven't you noticed?

[MindMatter]

79. They couldn't lay off Larry Craig

If it involves sex, they cannot help themselves.

[tinrobot]

45. They will be... guaranteed.

[Barack_America]

49. Good question.

Their CEO seems to be rather Dem-friendly, at least to Rahm Emanuel. (makes you wonder why they were so persistent with the Edwards story, hmmmm?)

http://www.newsmeat.com/media_political_donations/David_Pecker.php

[goodgd_yall]

69. I don't know....

that's going into treacherous waters for them, isn't it? They'd be tearing apart any chances McCain has to take the White House. I imagine that could have dire consequences for the Enquirer.

[tinrobot]

82. American Media published stories about Bush and Condi's alleged affair.

It was in the Globe, not the Enquirer, but it's still the same company.

I don't believe they have any loyalties other than selling papers. They go after everyone.

[goodgd_yall]

86. Ah,

I didn't know that. Well, then it seems like they would want to pursue this story.

[depakid]

34. Sounds like the prototypical small town fundie "leader"

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

48. So what we've got here...

Is an anonymous internet post claiming to have spoken to someone who claims to have spoken with someone who claims to have second-hand knowledge of the facts.

Whew. For a second there I thought we were indulging in gossip and innuendo

[blitzen]

51. I am a solid DUer of several years standing, not a bullshitter...

I simply reported ("for what it's worth") an actual phone conversation that I did actually just hear. Make of it what you will, but there is in fact a woman in Wasilla who just told this stuff to my wife.

[niceypoo]

54. Until now....

Why don't you hand out tampons with 'Palin for VP' printed on them, or something equally boneheaded. It would help just as much as your solid piece of 'reporting.' I only ask that you do it AWAY from the DU.

[blitzen]

66. Thanks for policing DU....Next time I see, hear, read, or think

something that will likely interest many DUers, I'll just resist the urge to post. By the way, I could care less whether Palin gave birth to the kid; if she wants to be his mother, more power to her. But if the rumor is true, she fostered a whopping lie that will bring her and McCain down, and that's why some of us find it interesting.

[niceypoo]

83. Good

We will hold you to that...

:rofl:

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

55. Of course there is....

:eyes:

[niceypoo]

52. Well, that is some solid reporting there...

...we will be nominating you for a pulitzer prize next year.

[blitzen]

58. Hey, did I claim to be a journalist? Nope, I claimed to have just heard...

a certain phone conversation, which I sure as shit just did.

[jazzjunkysue]

57. There's one good way to put this to rest: Mono means you're tired, but

it doesn't mean you're quarranteened. If the daughter was really out for 5 months, and it really was mono, people would have seen her from time to time,even if just to go to the doctor, dentist, shopping, whatever. Mono doesn't mean you're chained to a bed 24/7. You go to christmas, birthdays, funerals, hockey championships. People still see you.

So, if the news crews start sniffing around, they'll find people who saw her with mono who will go on record about it.

But, if she was really hiding a belly and the normal swelling, then no one would have seen her leave the house for the 5 months.

And there will be people who will be willing to go on record about it. Nurses, secretaries, schoolmates of the father. That is, assuming the father is a teenage boy.....

[blitzen]

60. the term they used was "undisclosed illness,"

says the woman mentioned in the OP

[jazzjunkysue]

76. I just read an Alaskan article saying it was mono.

[woo me with science]

61. Gee thanks, Woodward. nt

[CampDem]

62. I agree that she is cunning and not exceptionally bright

I live here in Anchorage, which is right next to Wasilla and did not hear of the babygate rumors until yesterday here at DU. I am a political junkie too.I guess we will see how this plays, eventually proof will emerge either way. If Fox gets wind of this and can prove the kid is hers we will never hear the end of it. I can just hear them blathering away about the crazy left and looping endlessly about how far left bloggers are trying to trash this poor woman and her kids.

[mnhtnbb]

But who cares about FAUX News? Nobody but the already brainwashed watch it.

[RagAss]

67. I also heard.........

She was a Muslim who shot herself in the leg in order to get a Purple Heart !!

[AZBlue]

68. Unfortunately there's no way to prove it about the baby.

Unless her daughter or the baby's father speaks out. Insurance, hospitals and doctors can't talk about patients' records.

[MindMatter]

71. She can be pressed to take a DNA test

"Why won't you and your daughter give a simple DNA sample so we can put this to rest? Do you have something to hide?"

In these small towns everybody knows what's happening. There are certainly classmates who know the truth. And the boyfriend would have shared this with many others. They can't all be in her camp or under her control.

Somebody has copies of all those pictures the State of Alaska pulled down form their website yesterday. That alone will probably expose her tangled web.

Remember, she was just announced as VP on Friday of a holiday weekend. There will be lots of phone calls with lawyers on Tuesday. Larry Flynt will probably have a $100,000 bounty for information out there by Wednesday.

Sit back and enjoy the fireworks. I'm hoping they don't can her quickly. The longer they try to protect her the worse it gets for McCain.

[LisaL]

74. Why is going to press her? Come on.

Normally women don't have to prove they are the mothers.

[MindMatter]

75. Normally the "mother" isn't standing to be VP

Obama and Biden don't have to do anything. There is lots of dialog at many different levels. If this story starts to appear in the open and the basic facts get some validation, people will start asking for the tests. Newspaper editorials could call the question. We probably won't see the Post or NYTimes out in front of it, but there could be others.

And remember there is an international press. They generally stick more to the issue-oriented news rather than the personal items, but the core issue here is McCain's judgment, so they may say something about this.

[Annces]

72. Cunning - sounds like another George Bush

People really are taken in easily by the con artists of the world.

[BrklynLiberal]

90. And she could have kept the entire story under wraps if she had not accepted the offer

to be V.P.
Now her and her entire family are splashed all over the media around the world.
How very, very sad for her children...the innocent ones in this situation.

As a so-called religious person, Palin should have been familiar with this:
Proverbs 16:18: Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."