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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 12:44 AM
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Sarah Palin and Why McCain Has Already Lost.
John McCain chose first-term Alaska governor Sarah Palin as his running mate.

My first reaction was, "Who?" When I answered that question, my next question was, "Why?" The experience gap between him and Obama has been the central argument of his campaign. I know he's been trying to win over disaffected Clinton supporters (although from my experience, most people supporting Hillary Clinton did so because of what she had above her neck, not because of what she had between her legs), but if he wanted to choose a woman, there were plenty more qualified women in his party for him to choose from. Kay Bailey Hutchison and Condoleeza Rice come to mind. So why choose this first-term governor and former mayor of a town of 8,000 to be a 72 year-old heartbeat away from the presidency? Really, this isn't an example of a new commitment on the part of the GOP towards gender equality. It's an example of precisely the kind of sexism that smart, accomplished women have always complained about: the pretty, non-threatening woman with the nice smile advances ahead of older, more accomplished women. For those who've ever doubted this dynamic, I submit to you: Sarah Palin, vice presidential candidate.

She has no known foreign policy opinions, let alone experience, other than "YAY AMERICA!" Does anybody doubt that, should something happen to McCain (and remember, he's 72 years old and has had two bouts with cancer already) that she'd be anything other than a puppet for the same people who've been pulling George Bush's strings the past eight years? By choosing Palin, McCain has given a big "fuck you" to the women's movement, the Republican party, and the nation as a whole. After all, if he kicks off while in office and Palin has to succeed him, it's not his fucking problem what happens, is it?

But most importantly, it means he's essentially conceded the central argument of his own candidacy. He knows that the experience gap doesn't matter. He's even started co-opting Obama's rhetoric about changing the way Washington does business. Just over two months out from the election, and McCain has taken his message and thrown it out the window. Fuck it. Experience doesn't matter. You want a celebrity? I'll show you a celebrity! Look, over here! Pretty woman running for vice president!

Thing is, elections are about contrasting yourself from your opponent, not showing how much alike you can be. McCain seems to hope that he can win by blurring the distinctions between him and Obama on the issue of change. But anybody who watched Obama's convention speech has to know: we've got this thing in the bag. It's over.

Seems McCain knows it, too. Why else would he throw in the towel on his campaign theme right before his own convention?

None of this is a criticism of Sarah Palin, per se. To say she's massively underqualified to be President isn't really much of a knock. She's more qualified than me, for example, but to pretend that she can even hold a candle to Hillary Clinton is ridiculous. Hillary Clinton was one of the prime driving powers behind her husband's ascendancy and Presidency, and she's the only former First Lady to hold elected office (to the U.S. Senate, no less) herself. She's a singularly historic figure and one of the most influential women in the history of our nation -- period. Sarah Palin is a political nobody who was chosen simply for how the GOP thought she'd play in the cheap seats, and she's being used. It's the height of cynicism, misogyny, and contempt for the intelligence of the American people. It's fucking insulting to everybody who worries about the future of our nation. I think everybody who watches her debate Joe Biden (gawd, that's going to be ugly) will come to feel the same way.

That said, it's something of a relief that the McCain campaign is in such dire straits. Maybe nobody else wanted the job? I'd been getting worried to the point that I was doing research on what it would take to immigrate to Australia if McCain won. Looks like I can put that aside.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 12:56 AM
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1. It ain't November yet. I hope you're right.
And I'm in Australia. As long as you're not too old, it's easy to emigrate here.

I don't plan to stay forever myself, but if McCain "wins" -- I know, I know, bite my tongue -- I'll stay here at least 4 years.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:04 AM
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5. I hear you
I have been in Korea for 4 1/2 years. It's almost the the point I may stay (though also because I'm married to a Korean). If McCain gets elected, that's the last straw.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 02:07 AM
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18. I could never get behind Korea -- but I've only been there on business trips . . .
(never longer than a few weeks), and never got my groove there.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:06 AM
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7. How old is too old? Can I go on the dole??
Kidding about the dole. Maybe.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 02:02 AM
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16. Somewhere around 50 -- they don't want people to come here . . .
just to retire because the country they're coming from doesn't have an adequate safety net (shall a list a few?), including a decent (although imperfect) universal health care system.

But they're dying for workers -- skilled, semiskilled, whatever.

One warning: it's verrrrrrry expensive to live here. Gotta pay for all that social welfare (not to mention their quaint notion that all working people should have a living wage, which drives the price of everything up, since you can't take advantage of the slave discount).
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:07 AM
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8. I'm 30 right now.
I visited Australia back in May with a friend of mine. I was an Obama backer and she was a Hillary backer, but we both agreed that we didn't want four more years of the same. We openly discussed emigrating if McCain won, and Australia seemed like a good place to try for. Of course, I'd have to wait until my enlistment was up in early 2010, but that would just give me time to plan.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 02:06 AM
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17. Military skills? Australia wants You!
Not for their military, but because you by definition can work and play well with others, probably have a technical skill or two, and can accept discipline and responsibility.

A warning: as you no doubt noticed, it's verrrrrry expensive to live here. Lots of social welfare and the quaint notion that all working people should get a living wage drives the cost up.
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:08 AM
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27. Eleven to fifteen dollars a pack for smokes? Yeah, I noticed.
Still had a great time, though. And it'd beat the hell out of McCain's Amerika.
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akangel2008 Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:01 AM
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2. She's definitely no Hillary
that is a FACT. I think McCain was going on the idea that he is the P while Palin is the VP. For us Obama also has very little experience while Biden is very experienced; we seem to have our ticket backward in this argument! I don't think its insulting to women though as Palin has had accomplishments. What I find insulting is the complete neglecting to mention of her accomplishments. It is true however that they are NOT vice presidential qualifications, but she still has accomplishments.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:06 AM
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6. Welcome to DU
Enjoy your stay!
:eyes:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:07 AM
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9. Enjoy your stay!!
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:08 AM
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10. Welcome to DU. Thanks for your concern.
Enjoy your stay.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:17 AM
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11. HUH?
What I find insulting is the complete neglecting to mention of her accomplishments.

Please don't start advocating for a Republican here... because you'll get tombstoned awfully quick.


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akangel2008 Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:24 AM
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13. Ummm, not advocating for any republican
just for women. Palin is completely unqualified for the VP that is a given. But to discount anything she has ever done does us no good!
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:37 AM
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15. Right.
Enjoy your stay.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:44 AM
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24. perhaps you should give some examples of her accomplishments.
That may help your case.
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 02:11 AM
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20. Thanks for the Concern


:hi:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 02:12 AM
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21. P'alin has had accomplishments." Please list below.
List accomplishments here:______________
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:08 AM
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23. is that you Sarah? Welcome to DU. Enjoy your brief visit.
:crazy:
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:48 AM
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25. Bon Voyage Troll
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:58 AM
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26. For US?
For me - Obama has a great deal of experience. Are you at all familiar with his record in Congress?

Oh - btw - she has no accomplishments as far as I'm concerned. She's a nothing - and I will not be kind, or nice to any Republican. I will not say one nice word about those people - when they won't say one nice word about Nancy Pelosi.

So Sarah Palin can kiss my ass. This is DU - and we don't have to be kind, nice or considerate to Repugnants at D.U.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:01 AM
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3. I think of this as McPOW's "Hudson moment"....
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:02 AM
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4. There is a way to "WIN"...by conceding to National UNITY...yeild to Obama/Biden
and unite the Nation

If there ever was a time to JUMP SHIP and LOOK REAL GOOD at the SAME TIME...now is it

McCain should Concede and join the DEMs(OBAMA/BIDEN) in a JOINT EFFORT of COMPLETE UNITY.....ALL For ONE...and ONE For ALL....Dumas

Why take the chance to look good the 10% McBush Way ....this is way better ODDS to look like a hero...Join Obama...think of it,

Ya don't have to work the Election... and might get something of a Post where you and staff can go to semi retire...Don't be stubborn

Go with the ODDS....Ya would look really Smashing if ya join UNITY at the right time...and that is next week Fri...

If ya can arrange it...have Obama/Biden w familiues join you and Sarah on stage for a real UNITY THING...

NOW...THAT WOULD TOP THEM DEMS Thingy las week. REAL UNITY for this Great Nation of ours....wouldn't that be a Message of all messages to the World...

Come, we plan LUAU

He has a week....
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:21 AM
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12. He was already losing.
If he had picked a normal white oligarch like Mittens or Pawlenty, he would still be losing.

He had to gamble. When you gamble, the house usually wins.
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:31 AM
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14. Passed up for the young, pretty NON-THREATENING one
I was commenting on the whole passed over theme earlier in less eloquent terms, but I think this point alone puts the PUMAs in our column if they weren't already after Hillary's speech.

I think just about every professional woman has had the moment when she was passed over for a less qualified woman because of looks or because the ditz was less threatening to fragile male egos -they at least have watched it happen to a friend and definately experienced some pretty deep running, long lasting anger over the injustice and absurdity of it. Stupid ass McCain people never thought of that, how many hard-core PUMAs might end up voting for Obama just to make sure that Hillary doesn't get passed up by this stupid, vapid LadyFreeper.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 02:08 AM
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19.  Thank you!


So glad to read such a great post tonight after all the muckraking lately.

I recommend this post by NanceGreggs as another.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6841953

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 02:28 AM
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22. She's a Dominionist-this is appeasement of the RADICAL right wing religous types
in addition to your great points.


Check this out

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/163234/559/495/579213
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