On Values...

[busymom]

I'm not holier than though...or the values police...but I do have something to say.
I don't allow my family members who support McCain to get away with talking about Obama's race, family of origin, belief that he is a muslim or the Larry Sinclair bullshit. His relationship with Rev. Wright is also off of the table. I literally told one relative in particular this past week to take Obama to task over the issues he disagrees with, but that that was where it had to end. I will hang up on someone who who tells me that they can't vote for a black man.

Since I request that my family, friends, and society in general NOT use racist terms to define Obama, not make up lies about him being a muslim, and not believe bullshit about some homosexual encounters then I would request that we also not use sexist statements about Palin...not buy into stories about her faking a pregnancy, and that we stick to the issues.

This is about acting as classy as Obama has. Obama has commended Palin for her accomplishments and talked issues. We need to follow HIS lead.

[Kittycat]

1. Still harping on Palin - Ms. I'm greater than all other moms here on DU,

[busymom]

2. I'm sure your attitude would make Obama proud...

NOT

[Kittycat]

4. I'm sure you don't speak for him, and until you do.

Worry about censoring yourself.

[busymom]

6. No, Obama speaks well for himself, and he speaks highly of Palin as a person,

and as a mother....he only disagrees with her politics.

[Kittycat]

12. Good for Obama, I'm not him - and neither are you

So again, I say - STFU.

I'm a mom of a special needs preemie (24wks), and also have a 37wkr born after 19wks of complete bedrest, and I find her behavior truly disgusting - given her stance. I'm entitled to my opinion, and you can defend her all you want. What you can't do is tell me or anyone else here that we can't talk about it.

[busymom]

21. I also had a terribly traumatic pregnancy and birth...

but I can still maintain my composure...unlike you.

Gobama!

[kdmorris]

3. The problem seems to come in when no one can define

sexist. To some, sexist is noticing that she's a woman and saying she's unqualified in the same post.

To me, it's calling her a cunt, since that has nothing to do with her incredibly horrid politics and everything to do with her gender.

If we could destroy John Edwards for lying about an affair, I don't see how Palin possibly faking a pregnancy is "off-limits". If she didn't introduce it as part of her platform "I knew my baby had Down's Syndrome, but gave birth anyway", "I flew to Alaska after my water broke", "I returned to work 3 days after my child was born", then you MAY have a point. But she's used this birth to show how tough she is and how much "family values" she has. And if she lied about it, then she deserves to be discredited for it.

Period. And it's not sexist to do so. John Edwards is a man and we had a week long discussion including lots of post about how he lied. So, if she lied, the truth should come out now, too.

[busymom]

5. Edwards ADMITTED having an affair.

AND..up until the second he did, we defended him...but even beyond that, I have compassion for him as a human being and don't want to see him destroyed in any way.

This whole faking a pregnancy thing is right up there with Larry Sinclair and Obama. It's bullshit. Until actual proof comes out, we can not act like it is truth...

[Neshanic]

7. Until he was caught. That's the messy part.

[kdmorris]

8. The thing is

No, we did not all defend him before he admitted it. I did. You may have. But there were a whole shit load of people that were burning him at the stake before he admitted it.

I don't want to see Sarah Palin destroyed for possibly claiming her daughter's baby as her own, either. BUT, she has used it as part of her platform. My personal feelings on this are... good for McCain for picking her. She's not going to help him win, so the choice is kind of confusing and is seen as pandering by many. But, you can't just lie about things like this AND USE THEM AS PART OF YOUR 'QUALIFICATIONS' and not be called out on it.

[busymom]

9. There is no proof that she lied...and unti such time,

we can't talk about it like it is a truth. Remember Larry Sinclair?

As for Edwards...I couldn't even chime in when the bashing was happening because it bothered me so much.

I have a great deal of compassion for him and Elizabeth, and as a cancer survivor, I understand how stressful the family life and marriage becomes when you are dealing with a potentially terminal illness. We would like to think that it brings everyone together, but unfortunately, such incredible stress, grief and fear can push people apart. It took my husband and I more than a year after I finished treatments to stop fighting about everything.

[kdmorris]

10. We almost seem to be saying the same thing

with a twist, or something. I think it's reasonable to investigate the matter of her possibly not having given birth to the baby. I will not state is as fact, because I don't know. But it should be investigated. Lying about it is a real problem.

I have a lot of compassion for John Edwards and his family. I really don't know what caused him to seek comfort elsewhere when his wife was possibly dying, but he's human. I am a little confused as to why he ran for President when he knew he had that skeleton in the closet, but I don't really think it's any of my business. My mother cheated on my father when he was in Iran (in 1979) for almost 2 years and after 30 years, I still don't really understand why, but hell, it's between them. My father forgave her, how could I do less?

I would agree that stating "she didn't have the baby" as a fact when we don't have all the facts is probably a bad idea. I don't think it shouldn't be investigated, though. If she's going to run for VP as a "moral" person who has all these family values (and who wants to control the choices other women get to make with their own bodies), then, yes, we should damn sure figure out if she's a hypocrite. And I don't think that's even close to sexist.

[seabeyond]

17. one of two things. she got on that plane when her water broke that NO preg

woman would do. from 4 a,m. when she woke until after her speech and meeting and flying for at least ten hours without access to medical attention

or she wasnt preg adn that is why she got on the plane

those are facts....

[Neshanic]

11. No the thing really is that nobody admits until they are caught. The list is endless.

And to make matters worse they are republicans. Not known for being ethical in any way, and having no qualms on paying people off, destroying records, emails, and all manner of items that can get to the truth.

So I say dig away! When she has proof of her story that she's sticking to, then fine.

[kdmorris]

13. Very good point!!

I'm with you.

[seabeyond]

15. no one is "acting" like it is truth. people are calling out the inconsistencies

i didnt stand up for edward prior to him admitting. i didnt go into any of the threads until he admitted. HOW DARE you put forth an opinion before you have any facts...

you dont get to have it your way. i am not beholden to act in a way obama is "proud" of me. he isnt my father. this isnt media where we are outing anyone. it is a discussion board and we are discussing

[silverojo]

19. The insults aren't sexist, just sex appropriate

Yes, I call Palin a cunt (it's a jab at what John McSame called his wife). Similarly, I'll call McSame a prick.

I'm Democratic...I'm equally vulgar toward all Republicans. :evilgrin:

[kdmorris]

20. LOL

OK, you win. But it may be because I'm drinking.

[JVS]

14. This board is for Democrats. There should be no expectation for us not to throw the kitchen sink...

at republicans.

[barack the house]

16. Couldn't agree more. Bravo.

[silverojo]

18. Good for you!

Don't let 'em stomp on your beliefs. Your time is a valuable commodity, and you have every right not to waste that time listening to hate speech. You're giving them the freedom to discuss issues, and that should be enough.