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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:58 PM
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Time's Joe Klein: GUNSLINGER
Gunslinger
by Joe Klein

I woke up this morning and realized that the most significant aspect of the Palin pick isn't Palin--we really don't know all that much about her yet--but the process by which she was selected. McCain really doesn't know that much about Palin, either. He met her once in February. He interviewed her as part of the vetting process...and that's it. He never worked with her. (It should be noted that when Walter Mondale picked Geraldine Ferraro in 1984, House Speaker Tip O'Neill, who had worked with Ferraro, was not only vouching for her, but raving about her.)

All this raises again--yet again--the question of whether McCain is temperamentally suited for the presidency. As the conservative David Frum writes:

Maybe it will work. But maybe (and at least as likely) it will reinforce a theme that I'd be pounding home if I were the Obama campaign: that it's John McCain for all his white hair who represents the risky choice, while it is Barack Obama who offers cautious, steady, predictable governance.

Indeed, the Palin pick reflects the most dangerous tendencies in McCain's foreign policy--the tendency to react, to overreact, to crises, without thinking it through. It also reflects a defiant, adolescent "screw you" attitude toward governance. I always thought McCain's best choice for vice president was Rob Portman--the former Congressman and Office of Management and Budget director from Ohio. Portman is smooth, attractive, extremely smart, reliably conservative, but he also knows how the federal government works. His experience as OMB director would have enabled McCain to say, "I've picked a guy who knows where all the bodies are buried, where all the waste is." The Ohio part of the program wouldn't have hurt McCain in locking down that crucial state, either. But the pick would have been seen as safe, unexciting--and John McCain doesn't like safe. Which is a real problem in a President.

Again, this is not to disparage Palin. Her views seem very extreme to me--teaching "intelligent design" in schools?--but she may turn out to be a invigorating public presence, with the ability to learn fast (she's going to have to do the latter). The problem is, there is absolutely no way on earth that John McCain can know what sort of person she really is, which is why this choice--his first major presidential decision--should be a matter of real concern for all Americans. He has proven himself, yet again, ready on day one--to shoot from the hip.

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/08/gunslinger.html
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:09 PM
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1. Exactly. Thanks for posting this! (n/t)
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:12 PM
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2. K&R. Thanks for posting this. nt
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:14 PM
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3. Another Similar Article By Joe Klein - "The Blink Presidency" Describing Bush - Sound Familiar?
The similarities in decision making between Bush and McCain continue to grow. First, there was the Saddleback faith-forum where McCain gave quick decisive answers that sounded really good at the time, but later proved embarrassing such as defining rich as those who earn $5 million and above per year and identifying John Lewis as a wise man with whom McCain consults, even though Lewis later noted that McCain rarely consults him, and they more often then not disagree. Even more recently, we have the recent revelations that John McCain apparently made up, or even changed his mind, late Thursday regarding his choice of Vice-President such that Palin, who was slated to speak on some other issues, was completely surprised by his selection. Indeed, Pawlenty was slated to be the Vice-Presidential pick, and had Secret Service agents ready to be detailed to him. Yet, based on a meeting on Thursday, John McCain trusted his intuition, and picked Palin.

These actions bring to mind Joe Klein's 2005 description of George Bush's decision making approach:

http://www.time.com/time/columnist/klein/article/0,9565,1029809,00.html

/snip

Bush is the ultimate "Blink" President, to use author Malcolm Gladwell's catchy term, and recent title, for instantaneous, subconscious decision making. The slogan on Gladwell's book jacket—"Don't Think—Blink!"—is a perfect mantra for an attention- deficit-disordered society, and an apt description of the electric jolt Bush has brought to politics and policy. It certainly was the subtext of the 2004 presidential campaign: Kerry's thinking seemed tortured, paralytic; Bush's blinking seemed strong and decisive.

But there are problems. "We don't know where our first impressions come from or precisely what they mean, so we don't always understand their fragility," writes Gladwell, who is way too smart to be a cheerleader for the immediate. Gladwell argues that blinking is best when it is reinforced by a lifetime of study and expertise. Bush's blinks come in two basic varieties: judgments about people and about broad policy. Bush may be a master at judging people—though one wonders what he saw in Vladimir Putin's soul—but he hasn't spent much time learning the intricacies of getting a bill through Congress or thinking about how the pieces of the puzzle might fit together in the Middle East after the invasion of Iraq. There is rarely any thought of how a blink will be carried out, or the contradictory impact that his blinks might have on one another. David Kuo, a former deputy director of the President's Office of Faith- Based and Community Initiatives, argued last week on the Beliefnet website that the President had blinked at the well-publicized faith-based antipoverty initiative and then forgotten it. Kuo, who is a friend of mine and truly believes in the President's commitment to the policy, remains mystified by the disconnect between passion and action. Blinks are ephemeral; policy is distressingly concrete.

* * *

This, then, is a moment of no small anguish for the traditional policy establishment, both liberal and conservative. The real division in George W. Bush's Washington is not so much between left and right as between those who act and those who contemplate. Logic would dictate that action without long-term planning is disastrous: that you can't borrow forever, that you can't barge into someone else's region and impose your views without negative consequences.

But expertise and deliberation have never seemed more stodgy, unappealing and unconvincing than they do right now.

/snip
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:19 PM
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4. Thanks. I really do think the 'trigger-happy' McCain could be worse than Bush.
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:19 PM
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5. Klein is dead on. McCain reacts instead of thinks.
Palin is just like the rest of McCain's political career. He makes rash decisions in reaction to events. When he gets in trouble over them, he claims that he's just being all mavericky. He like Dubya, won't backtrack from a rash decision but will instead either keep supporting it or try to distract from it. His whole campaign has been one reaction to events after another instead of following a well thought plan.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:28 PM
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8. However, Isn't Thinking Elitist? I Thought Americans Disdain Intellectuals
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 08:29 PM by Median Democrat
I mean according to the 11th point of the right wing's rules for getting elected, perhaps we should avoid someone who is too smart. Afterall, look at McCain and Palin. I don't think anyone would call them intellectual, thus they fit with the criteria below:

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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:45 PM
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12. Shame that's accepted since great intellectuals founded our country.
That is what is real shameful about the Repub anti-intellectualism. Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, and others among the founders were elite intellectuals. Their writings and actions demonstrate that. Yet, ironically, these intellectual elites are worshiped by the Repubs while showing disdain of any new ideas. I imagine that if any of the founders could see the direction taken by conservatives they'd be horrified.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:03 PM
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16. Republicans make decisions based on emotions
mainly fear and greed, but that is why they sneer at rationality, it's beyond their capabilities.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:21 PM
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6. Bumper sticker
POW/Gidget Mama with a Gun.

That's what we've got here. That's where they are going with this.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:26 PM
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7. Meet John McCain..
He's Ready from Day One to Gamble with Your Future... America's Future is the High Stakes in his Dice Game..

THIS is the Commercial that needs to be made..
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:33 PM
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9. Some rolling the dice footage, some war photos, and pictures of children.
Call it Daisy II
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:51 PM
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17. Good idea!
Reissue Daisy, then at the end add Palin with a big gun Laughing..

And I'm not kidding :)
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:35 PM
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10. loved this reply from a poster:
This seems like a good insight, Joe. If the Obama attacks Palin and her background directly, then the campaign will probably be open to the usual culture-war-style wingnut jujitsu. But if you make it about McCain's impulsive character, then that goes directly to his previously assumed strength as the "serious candidate" vs. Obama. Plus, you get the added benefit of the increased scrutiny of Palin's resume, without being seen to directly attack it. You get both arguments, while making the most important one the Obama campaign should be making: the one about McCain being temperamentally unfit to lead--just like the last president we've had for the past 8 years.

____________

can we make this our talking point??? his impulsivity, his rashness, his fuck you mentality? what kind of moran picks someone just to spite Rove or whoever was in charge at the moment? this is the same guy who just told russia to fuck off, right? and iran? and iraq? anyone I've left out?
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:38 PM
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11. Wow, McImpulse is so going to get f$cked on this.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:48 PM
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13. mcimpulse! good one!
mc belligerent
mc adolescent
mc immature
mc impulsive


YES, biatch. Let's have the debate about whose judgment and temperament are best suited to the wh.

Bring it!
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:08 PM
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14. goldmine- another poster-- DEM TALKING POINTS!
McCain apparently said, "What the hell…" and cast his lot with an unknown quantity, all because he thought he needed to swipe a single day's news cycle from Obama. Could anything be more irresponsible?

The effect of this choice is to confirm two things about McCain: he's perilously rash, and when in doubt he'll always go to the extreme right. It take a lot of gall even to suggest that isn't Bush all over again.

A prediction: Republicans have no choice but to fall back on their standby Big Lie tactic when dealing with this wild card pick. Just count how many times we hear the following:

"She's very well qualified."
"She speaks for women's concerns"
"She's a real reformer"

All false, of course – but see how many reporters adopt these claims just because the GOP keeps making them.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:25 PM
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15. Politico Aticle "6 things the Palin pick says about McCain "
Here is another article that discusses how the selection of Palin says a lot more about McCain's decisionmaking than Palin's qualifications:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/12997

/snip

The selection of a running mate is among the most consequential and the most defining decisions a presidential nominee can make. John McCain’s pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says a lot about his decision-making — and some of it is downright breathtaking.

/snip
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:01 PM
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18. And there it is in a Nutshell..
"Indeed, the Palin pick reflects the most dangerous tendencies in McCain's foreign policy--the tendency to react, to overreact, to crises, without thinking it through. It also reflects a defiant, adolescent "screw you" attitude toward governance. I always thought McCain's best choice for vice president was Rob Portman--the former Congressman and Office of Management and Budget director from Ohio. Portman is smooth, attractive, extremely smart, reliably conservative, but he also knows how the federal government works. His experience as OMB director would have enabled McCain to say, "I've picked a guy who knows where all the bodies are buried, where all the waste is." The Ohio part of the program wouldn't have hurt McCain in locking down that crucial state, either. But the pick would have been seen as safe, unexciting--and John McCain doesn't like safe. Which is a real problem in a President."

8 Fucking Years is not enough for America?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:53 AM
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19. "Eight is enough!" - Barack Obama
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 02:47 PM
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20. Great - McCain and Palin - Bush's Decision Making + Bush's Extreme Right Wing Views!
Its a match made in heaven. If there was any doubt that Bush/Palin is a repeat of Bush/Cheney, the last few days should eliminate such doubt.
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