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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 10:45 PM
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Nightline now showing program on prisoner abuse in TX
Same kind of stuff as Abu Ghraib, and it happened while Bush* was Governor, and knew about it.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 10:47 PM
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1. OMFG
This will hurt like a sumbitch.
Is there real documentation Dubya knew?

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 10:49 PM
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2. He said the same thing in Texas that he says about Abu Garif
"people will be held to account" "if we had seen the video"

That man is sick and evil!

Way to go ABC....
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 10:52 PM
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3. Good to see this on Nightline!
I heard they still have a pretty big viewing audience.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 04:37 AM
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4. Anyone have any further info on the show, or this issue?
n/t
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 04:38 AM
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5. FEEDBACK: nightline@abcnews.com
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 05:16 AM
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6. A few things this texan remembers
Use of private prisons taking in overflow from other states.
Much nudity, cruelty, dogs. Twisted fascist mentality.
not just for "hardened" but even non-violent aka drug war users (not that it matters, it is wrong regardless of course.)

Yes, a precurser to Gitmo and Afghan and Abu Ghraib.
We saw this coming and still....shameful.
:scared: :grr: :cry:
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 05:22 AM
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7. Oh yeah. Wife reminds me- Brazoria County
Google <Brazoria texas prison abuse video> for more than you can handle at one sitting...
More MISERY than those Missourians deserved, as well.
One of the things that made wifey and me think about exodus.
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Keirsey Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 06:56 AM
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8. MSNBC: Eerie reminders of old prison abuse case
Video here, too.


Abu Ghraib bears resemblance to Texas incident
under then-Gov. Bush

WASHINGTON - The Abu Ghraib prison scandal has become a watershed event in the Iraq war, but President Bush has experience handling the political fallout from prison abuses — experience gained in a situation that occurred while he was governor of Texas.

The incident occurred in a 1996 raid at the Brazoria County Detention Center in Texas. Guards searching the facility were videotaped mistreating prisoners. The images have many of the same elements of the Abu Ghraib pictures — prisoners lying on the floor, being dragged and menaced by dogs

It might now be just a historical footnote, except the lawyer who represented two of the prison guards accused of attacking the inmates, Guy Womack, is now representing Spc. Charles Graner, the prison guard accused of mistreating prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

Womack says he'll be taking the lessons of Brazoria County into the courtroom with him in Iraq. “There are quite a few parallels between the two cases,” he said. “Of course, the first one that jumps out at me is that in both cases the only people who were identified to be prosecuted were the junior-most people." In Texas, he argued that the guards acted lawfully — and he says in Iraq he'll argue that the guards thought they were following lawful orders. “Of course, if the cases are so parallel, the defense should be somewhat parallel as well."


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5086647/



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