My God! What is wrong with these Swiftvets?

[TrueAmerican]

They must be suffering from some Vietnam experiment that went out of control. Was it the Napalm? Some type of brainwashing? These men need help and I hope all their profits from their book goes to keeping them in an asylum until they are cured of their mental illness.

[bluestateguy]

1. If they had their druthers the US would still be in Vietnam today

And if they want to go and start Vietnam War II because ending Communism in a 3rd world country is so important to them then they can go. Just count me out.

[LisaL]

12. I really think they are jealous of Kerry

He has accomplished a lot and had a good life.
And they DID NOT.

[DoBotherMe]

2. I read a statistic contrasting the number of days

a soldier in WWII saw combat with the VN vet: the average tour of duty for a WWII vet was 4 years and 40 days of combat .... The Vietnam troop? More than 140 days of combat in a one year tour of duty. D ; )

[DemoTex]

3. Their life is Vietnam

Mine was too, for a while. But they did not realize that we had lost when we did. But we lost big in 1965 ... Ia Drang. It was all shit after that battle.

[benddem]

4. The combat in Vietnam

was much more intense for the GI's than WWII. I'm not sure if the Korean stats are the same.

[DemoTex]

Bigannie, welcome to the DU board!

I see your VSR! Nurse? What? Where?

My standard is "Welcome Home Soldier!"

[DemoTex]

6. Bigannie, welcome to the DU board!

I see your VSR! Nurse? What? Where?

My standard is "Welcome Home Soldier!"

[DemoTex]

Bigannie, welcome to the DU board!

I see your VSR! Nurse? What? Where?

My standard is "Welcome Home Soldier!"

[DemoTex]

8. Bigannie, welcome to the DU board!

I see your VSR! Nurse? What? Where?

My standard is "Welcome Home Soldier!"

[DemoTex]

10. Sorry, I got logged-off X 4 and returned.

Obviously logged back on immediately. Strange.

[nomatrix]

20. I going to go out on a ledge and disagree

with you bigannie.
55.5 million people were killed in WWII.
My father fought in the Pacific theater, spent 4 years overseas, most in the jungle.

Ever meet someone who wouldn't give it up that they lost? Here they are. Vietnam didn't have a Hollywood happy ending and they are still pissed and blame it on John Kerry. Nixon wanted to give them a happy ending with a nuke. To them, it doesn't matter how many died or how long it went on for.

How are you going to reason with that? You can't.

They have their lives and limbs, they came home (not in a box), and seem to be living well.
As opposed to dead, amputees, maimed, mentally scarred, homeless (VN vets made up the majority of homeless) but are grateful the war ended win or lose.

This whole episode is too pitiful for words.
I felt so proud of Max going to Crawford to support John Kerry. Again we see "my pet goat" cower and hide. Not a lick of courage to face a triple amputee. Commander in Chief? WWJD?

Media made it sound like an Max was an embarrassment. What is shameful, the continued marketing of these twisted swifties, by those who couldn't give a dam, to crush those who do. They no decency. None.

[tandot]

5. Immense hate

They hate Kerry because he spoke out against the war.

It almost seems that the same thing is happening now. People are deeply divided about the Iraq war. People who totally support Bush and his war do not want any dissent. Their argument is that in a time of war, nobody should question the Government and the President. They call people who oppose Bush's war and his policies traitors, un-American, commies, or say that we are aiding the enemy.

They think soldiers who "leaked" the Abu Ghraib prison torture scandal are traitors...that if you observe another soldier commit a crime, you should keep quiet about it.

They hate us liberals because we don't buy into this fascist mentality.

[OilemFirchen]

7. My newest pet theory.

Thurlow's recollection of the events - sailors happily jumping into the river, absolute silence from the gunfire they were spraying at the shore, dogs that didn't exist mysteriously not being thrown from boat to boat... he was zoned out of his fucking skull.

Does anyone doubt that he's still a head?

[LisaL]

14. Considering that he said He never heard a shot

Him now saying they fired upon the shore doesn't make any sense.
But it's so hard to keep all those lies straight.

[janx]

15. God, if this is true, it makes this whole thing so much more disgusting--

that the Bush* campaign would use him that way.

Where are you getting your information about dogs, etc.?

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. Looks like Karl Rove is winning

He has us attacking Vietnam Vets, instead of Bu$h.

Keep your eyes on the prize, this is all because of Rove and Bush.

[MichiganVote]

11. Not with me and not with a huge number of people I know

People are pissed they are not talking about Iraq. They liken this to the distortion presented re: WMD. They want answers and they are not getting them from *.

[DoYouEverWonder]

13. Good, now you're talking issues

I'm just trying to redirect the focus back to Bu$hCo.

[MichiganVote]

16. Good. Me too. Sick of this swift boat shit. Time to move on.

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. Not really

It's not what you say, it's how you say.

This is still a great issue for us, if we play our cards right.

[MichiganVote]

18. Two things on the minds of any sane person-Iraq and the economy

incl. the deficit. The only insane people are those who have already decided to vote for Bush. That leaves Dem's, reformed repub's and those who claim to be independent.

Time to quit playing the political game get back on track with what is important to the indep's and reformed repub's--Iraq and money.

We'll all live with or without talk about Nam. Nobody will make it w/o money. Iraq and the deficit are sucking us dry.

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. The Swift Boat issue is still important

and we can use it to great advantage, if we play our cards right. We just need to stop attacking the vets and attack Bu$h, even when we discuss Swift Boats.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it that is more important.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

21. It is energizing vets for Kerry here in Montana

BTW, check out this real Swift Boat veterans site: http://www.swiftboats.net

Not many of them are in the anti-Kerry group.

[Classical_Liberal]

22. The Salon article the other night said it was a personal

gripe because in a biography of Kerry, he identified one of these swift boat veterens as having ordered certain types of missions that Kerry thought were problematic, and lead to some of the problems in Viet Nam. So they are doing it to get even, basically.