Rank and File Democrats losing patience with PUMA.

[Joanne98]

How Much Time Do We Waste On This Crap?
by Reaper0Bot0, Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:07:33 AM EST

Okay gang, let's think this through.

How much time and energy do we spend dealing with the aggrieved among us? Never before have so few caused so many so much drama. How many diaries here deal with those who feel as though the party has "changed" or ignored them? There sure as hell ain't 18 million of them. I know exactly one person of this type in my real life. Just one. Oh, sure, I know a handful of Clinton supporters who are uneasy about Barack Obama (and that's fair, of course), but that's a million miles from the people of whom I speak.

Where could we better spend this time? How could we better spend it? Let's focus on growing the party. Talk to people, especially the young, the ones you know who aren't plugged in, the ones who are switched off. We can bring far more new voters in with this time we're wasting chasing after (or mocking) the handful who have made it agonizingly plain that they're too cool for the rest of us.



Every election cycle a small but noticeable minority of each party crosses over. These folks are, apparently, this cycle's Dem crossovers. Will they come back? I have no idea. There is an element of risk to anything we ever do. However, Barack Obama has gotten this far by generating enthusiasm among new voters. If there's ever a cycle in which to blow off the people holding you hostage, this is the time.

I'd rather have a beer with an honest opponent like one of my Republican friends (who are a minority among my friends, but they're there just the same) than any fellow "Democrat" who would spend the evening telling me how I'm a sexist, my candidate is a sexist, and my party is sexist because none of us see the world as he/she does. I won't have a beer with someone who is threatening constantly to torpedo everything I hold dear (in politics and public life) because they're mad. This is politics! Sometimes you or your side will lose!

Give me an honest opponent over an irrational and drama-drowned "ally."

Gang, please, once the Veepitudinal joy we're experiencing is over, please, let's spend our time getting Democrats electing by ignoring those who mean us harm and instead focusing those precious seconds doing constructive activities.

The handful of which I speak are electorally insignificant. I will stake whatever reputation I have on this. We can persuade most of those who are unhappy, but the ones who've congregated on the internet are simply not looking to be reasonable. They want, they want, they want, they want. Let them want. If they want to behave like children then we should simply ignore them.

They can't even get into the hundreds when they gather. I ain't scared. Let's move thousands, if not millions. If the cost is a few hundred solipcistic maniacs, so be it. I pay it gladly.

These people do not matter electorally. They only matter in any sense at all if we give them a microphone, if we respond, if we act like there's enough of them to make a dime's bit of difference. They get to vote. They're citizens. They can vote based on whatever deranged rationale they like. I cherish our rights, and that covers people I consider batshit. I honor the fact that they can spend their time trying to destroy their friends. That's their right and that price comes with my freedom. I can deal with that, too.

But I don't have to like them or associate with them.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/8/24/1733/08792

Read the comment section.

[eshfemme]

1. K&R!

:kick:

[AtomicKitten]

2. As we move into the general election, it becomes just extraneous noise.

[EV_Ares]

3. Absolutely and I saw a couple of them on a talk show and they really cannot

rationalize their position and one had even given $200 to the McCain campaign.

My thoughts are that if Hillary's positions were so close to McCain's position that they can rationalize working to throw the election to McCain then we made the right choice with Barack. How these people can even think of not supporting the democratic candidate is beyond me. It is not a rational thought if you think of the supreme court justices he will try to put in and they are expecting at least two appointments. The women's rights issues along with the abortion issue (Roe vs Wade). I mean when you think about 4 more years of Bush policies added on to the 8 we have had, either they are closet republicans or totally irrational people.

As you say, these people are only a few. Most of Hillary's people/supporters will come around in the end.

[NYC_SKP]

4. I remember mydd...

I remember when it was not very friendly to Obama.

The infamous Alegre, (remember her) had gone "on strike" from Kos because she felt they'd gone too giddy for Barack, so she went there.

She had the particularly annoying habit of responding to her own post, being first, how odd...

She is still out there, on her third or fourth site, being a PUMA.

Mydd, in the meantime, seems to have become more reasonable.

Thanks for the post...DU is still the best. Ever.

:hi:

[Boxerfan]

5. Operation Chaos transmorgiphied into the "Puma" movement

I'd really like to see this out in the open. This is thier wedge issue & will tell the usefull idiots ANYTHING to ge them to tag along.

A percentage of biggoted lefties in the mix I'd wager but these freakin Puma's are Republican operatives at the head of the snake.

Happily given a voice on every cable network...That should give you a freaking CLUE folks.

[Debi]

6. Hey, I'm a rank and file Democrat!

:hi:

[AllentownJake]

7. This comment is disgusting

My little brother (2.00 / 2)


is a field organizer for Obama in Virginia. They're main focus is to go to voters who voted Clinton and try to win them over by focusing on districts where Clinton won big.

He knocked on one door and the woman answered and, I kid you not, asked him to GROVEL at her feet and say Barack Obama wasn't worthy to wipe Bill Clinton's behind. He did it. I wouldn't have been so nice. That's why he's on the field and I'm in Italy.


If someone told me to do that while canvassing I would laugh in their face and leave and as I was leaving say if you want to vote for the guy who called Bill Clinton's daughter the love child of Hillary and Janet Reno than you have serious mental health issues.

[DangerousRhythm]

12. Oh no. That REALLY pisses me off.

These people are worse than a gaggle of toddlers throwing tantrums. Awful... and these people call themselves adults? Just pathetic.

[Kire]

8. I searched for the word Hilary

but I didn't find it

[Guava Jelly]

9. Thank you

:applause:

[Phx_Dem]

10. Yep. After a while you just get

tired of non-stop complaining, whining, pissing and moaning. I think everyone is done with the fucking PUMAs.

[Peacetrain]

11. I posted this in another thread..

I have a little carpal tunnel kicking up, so forgive me reposting my own post, but it addresses this exactly


My brother is the all time Hillary and by association Bill supporter. He is now 100% in the Obama camp. The few and the disillusioned, what are you going to do with them. Throw away the campaign because they have got their heads stuck in the sand. Hillary has been trying to coddle those people, soothe their wounds, to the point it is costing her political capital

She has HAD it up to the eyebrows with them. They are hurting her now politically, because she is not leaving the party. They are hurting Bill politically trying to get him on the defensive outside of the party leadership. I know some of the DLC people are in a funk, but hey, the same thing happened when they took power.

It is part of the political cycle. And the press is going to play it for all its worth. They are going to pump those analysts to try and keep the story going, they are only human also. (The complaining DLCers who cannot let go)