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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:22 PM
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Rules committee meeting in Denver today....some still declaring unfairness in primaries.
It was a meeting of the Rules Committee formed for the convention. The first part of the meeting apparently went smoothly, going over rules involving the convention.

Recapping Rules committee meeting today

186 party leaders and elected officials from across the country, including four representatives from Georgia heard from DNC Chair Howard Dean and other national party leaders as they voted to send a series of measures to the convention floor next week when the 45th Democratic National Convention convenes in Denver's Pepsi Center.

The first half of the meeting was uneventful as the delegates assembled breezed through the votes on the convention rules, convention officers and convention agenda. However, there was a lot of discussion when the last item on the agenda came up; the Democratic Change Commission.

The resolution presented by former South Carolina Governor Jim Hodges and Craig Smith of Florida established a delegate selection reform committee that would examine all aspects of the way Democrats select their presidential nominee. According to Hodges, the Democratic Change Commission will focus on three items:

1.) Timing of the nominating contests;

2.) Reducing unpledged delegates; and

3.) Improving the planning and implementation of the caucuses.


Several articles I have read on the meeting make it sound like there won't be a question about the present smaller states going first. Doesn't sound like they will do much with caucuses except to clarify rules and methods of voting.

Apparently the commission to change the primaries will be appointed next year by the new chairman.

Then I ran across this blog called Radio Iowa. Sounds like there were some members of the Denver Group and Puma Alliance in the meeting. This is an odd exchange. I don't imagine the Iowa Democrat was very happy at the accusations about their caucus.

Democratic Change Commission

After the 10 minutes allotted for committee members to speak in favor of the commission's creation -- and it's preservation of early contests in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada -- no one rose to object or speak against the move. Before the meeting started, Jon Winkleman of New York -- a Hillary Clinton campaign worker in Ames just before the Caucues, approached three of the Iowa reporters to air his complaints about caucuses. He is now part of a group called "I own my vote"

"I was on the ground in Iowa for Clinton and some of the friends I made in Iowa were at some of the rural caucuses. They knew everyone in their small town and there was a lot of people who came in on a bus, faces they didn't recognize, who participated in the caucus and then left. Now, those people might be from town, but they suspect they might not be from the town, but since the Iowa state party doesn't release the list of who came and who didn't come, we don't know," he said.


He was asked where this happened, and he said Boone, Iowa. He had more to say.

He was asked if a complaint had been registered with the proper people.

I would have to talk to my friends who I was talking to after the thing to get you that information, but there's been a lot of complaints everywhere," Winkleman said. "My congressman, I guess I shouldn't give out his name since it isn't on the record, was at a caucus in Des Moines and people were just shouting out numbers and they weren't counting. People who were walking into a caucus in Iowa were being plastered with Obama buttons whether or not they were Obama voters."


Apparently the person who should have gotten the complaints was at the rules committee meeting. Interesting, no one had talked to him.

Mike Milligan, the executive director of the Iowa Democratic Party, was at the Rules Committee meeting and when asked by reporters if he and the party had received the complaints Winkleman raised, Milligan said: "Not at all."

"I think that everyone that we talked to after the Caucuses were very pleased with the Caucuses, whether that was Senator Obama or the next vice president -- Senator Biden," Milligan said. "Every one that we've heard had a good experience."


I knew this would play out hard this way when the primaries ended. The seeds of doubt about the primaries had been sown early this year by leading Democrats, and I knew there would be no easy way for it to end.

They had the meeting to discuss organizing a commission to change the primaries. They set it in motion already, but many are still looking back.

If you get a chance read the Betty Cracker blog today called Slap Happy. The discontent lingers loudly.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:29 PM
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1. I am getting really tired of the bitching about the caucuses
They are scheduled months in advance. Plan accordingly! You have several months to arrange for baby-sitting for your kids, or to trade shifts with another worker or to schedule a vacation day. It just takes a little initiative. If you are committed enough to your candidate, you will find a way to be there.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:36 PM
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2. I remember Penn did not even know the caucus rules for the party.
That was very sad, and it hurt her campaign. When you trust an advisor and he lets you down....that's bad. Dems should shun him from here on. But they won't.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:50 AM
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12. Penn is a Republican operative. Period.
He didn't let anyone down. She chose someone who was a known Republican and who had a blatant conflict of interest in that his firm also was handling McCain's campaign. It was a poor executive decision on her part from the beginning to even hire him.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:37 PM
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3. Really. I'm getting sick of hearing about it...
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Although I do think it will end up being more talk than action in the end.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:15 PM
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4. I bet the Rules Committee is tired of it also.
Just as we are. It probably won't amount to much, but it is stirring emotions.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:27 PM
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5. There must have been tension for Dean to say this.....
"As a rules panel within the Democratic National Convention Committee voted unanimously Saturday to start talking about how to avoid a repeat of this year's jammed up primary schedule, party leaders sought to put off substantive _ and divisive _ talk about how to do that until after this year's campaign.

"No state was left behind in the primaries," Democratic Chairman Howard Dean told the rules panel, Dean said earlier this month that the party needed to review its primary and caucus rules and reduce the number of superdelegates.

There appears to be broad consensus among Democrats that the nomination process needs to be reformed in light of this year's seismic battle between Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and nominee-to-be Barack Obama.

However, Democrats who set up the commission said it's unlikely to tinker with the states that now have early caucuses and primaries."

http://www.southernledger.com/ap/165371/Dems_move_to_resolve_primary_scramble

Odd he would even have to say that.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 12:46 AM
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6. Don't miss....
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 01:10 AM
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7. Yeah, and there are still people who think the world is flat and the sun orbits the Earth.
NT!

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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 01:25 AM
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8. the people that didn't show up to Caucuses
weren't goign to vote anyway... so no loss.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:04 AM
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9. If there were people who should not had voted in the Iowa Caucus
then they need to change their rules to prevent those that don't live there from voting.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:17 AM
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13. Oh, come on....it already IS against the rules.
It is called spin, and making excuses for not winning a state. Putting the blame everywhere but on themselves.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 12:01 PM
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15. I'm talking about the states with caucuses
that don't require any type of sign in as done with primary elections.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 12:02 PM
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16. Which states would that be?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:10 AM
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10. PREDICTION FOR 2016
There won't be any appreciable difference in the way things are done when compared to 2008.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:17 AM
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11. I suspect Iowa and New Hampshire voters will remember for a long time
the games that were played this year.

So-called Clinton "supporters" continuing to draw attention to it and making spurious accusations about the process, are not doing her any favors. But of course, at this point they either aren't really Clinton supporters, or they are imbeciles, or they are simply, clinically, nuts.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:25 AM
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14. the last throes of the dead enders...
gasping their last breaths.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 01:04 PM
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17. C-Span video of the Rules Committee meeting yesterday.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:07 PM
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18. Some Florida delegates still being a**holes, even though they got their full votes.
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 02:08 PM by madfloridian
http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/08/counting-those.html

"Counting those Florida votes
"No state was left behind in the primaries," Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean said yesterday. Huh? A lot of Florida Democrats disagree.

Still the nearly 200 members of the Democratic National Convention Credentials Committee are about to start their meeting, where they are expected to follow Barack Obama's call to reinstate Florida's delegation to full voting strength.

"They better gives us back our votes,' that's all I can say," said State Sen. Arthenia Joyner, D-Tampa.

Floridians on the committee: Loranne Ausley of Tallahassee; Jon Dingfelder of Tampa; Michael Freedland of Weston; Lavern Kelly of Deltona; Andrew Korge of Gainesville; Wendi Lipsich of Delray Beach; Glenn McIntosh of Tampa; Lynda Russell of Tallahassee; and, appointed by Howard Dean, Scott Maddox of Tampa"

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