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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:12 PM
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The smartest move McCain could make right now is to go for Tom Ridge.
He won't, of course. He thinks he's got to shore up his right flank. He doesn't. At the end of the day, the wingers will fall in line behind the stay-in-Iraq guy and they'll be forced to like it. McCain, however, lacks the moral courage to call their bluff. After trouncing the nuts, he should be able to pull them under his roof (or at least one of them) and tell them "now that I'm your team captain, you get to vote for me and watch me try and win this game."

But he won't do that. Although he's a categorical conservative running against one guy who looks like a liberal but runs like a moderate, and another guy who looks a moderate but runs like a liberal, he still can't stand up to the rest of the conservative movement, even in their currently withered state, and tell them to shut up and fall in line.

He's spent the last three years of his life showing the world that he is no longer the maverick he once claimed to be. He's spent the last three years pawning off his political backbone for enough cash to run for president on the ideologically rigid Republican side of the fence. Three years of sucking up and they still want him to jump through their hoops like a circus chihuahua. And in the end, he'll do it.

I see John McCain as a street-ravaged prostitute eager to leave a shady decrepit rooms-by-the-hour motel before its rotten foundation gives and the whole structure collapses from termites and corruption, only the psychopathic john who rented him won't undo the handcuffs and keeps screaming "Let the building fall; it's the apocalypse and, dammit, I paid for a whole hour!" Maybe in some lingering corner of his compromised soul, McCain knows he can't win unless he veers away from neoconservatism and back toward sanity. Hell, he probably can't win anyway (so long as the Democrats fight like hell and don't act like wet noodles this time). But he's in handcuffs of his own making; he's shackled to the headless heedless monster of the American political Right, both parties too blinded by ideology to see the ruins they make of all they touch.

On issue after issue, from the tax cuts he's promised to millionaires, to the empty saber-rattling he directs toward Iran, to his wack-a-mole antiterrorism policy, to the off shore drilling bandaid he promises will fix our energy crisis, McCain stands resolutely opposed to common sense solutions because they require hard work. Instead he mouths the words to the fantasy magic bullet solutions Republicans always seem to offer in ways that help them turn profits and never solve a damn thing.

This is what we fight against this fall: ideologues who think science is malarkey, who think tax cuts balance the budget, who think government intrusion into private affairs is a system that won't be abused, who think torture is okay if a Republican president tells you it is, who think foreign aid doesn't make America stronger in international affairs, who think military threats can replace carrot-and-stick dialogues with the world's dictators, who think immigrants don't enrich our country, who trust large corporations, who don't care what our morality is so long as our politicians say the right words.

These views are held by conservatives half of whom are dangerous and the other half of whom are dangerously naive. Together they have rented John McCain for the coming hour. They will not permit him to show any sign of independence or moderation; not because it won't help them--it would in fact--but because they themselves would rather finish up their hour of delusion rather than leave the corrupted building of conservatism as it crashes about their shoulders.

One caveat, however. If the Republicans win in November, this analogy of a rotting building will not be about the conservative movement. The building will come to represent the damage done to the United States by these dangerous and ignorant people. Something's going to crash--it will be the Republican party or it will be all of us. You votes and your efforts will be what determines which of those two it is.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:13 PM
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1. McCain-Ridge might very well beat Obama-Biden, but McCain will pick Romney
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 06:46 AM
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21. Ridge now does NOTHING ...
for McCain other than agitate the fundies.

Seriously.

I live in Pa, and I have been saying that Pa is not as in play as the media wants to make it out to be, and that the ONLY reason McCain has been floating Ridge is an admission on his part that he knows he can't win Pa without him, and even with him it was gong to be an uphill battle - he is close to a distant memory and was not a world beater as governor.

Frankly, Biden has been called "the third senator from Pa" because his TV area bleeds into the philly region and he is oritionally from Scranton, where he remains very popular. I have to be honest, Biden would pretty much neutralize whatever Ridge could give McCain in Pa.

Given that Ridge likely cannot bring Pa, what does he really offer to the ticket. He has a very flat personality, and is not going to have any more appeal outside of Pa than anyone else. He doubles down on the whole "only the republicans can keep you from dying" meme, but again, that is all McCain has to begin with.

I keep telling people here, Romney is the problematic pick. Every other option is a back bencher.
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:05 AM
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28. Not to mention that Rendell won't let Ridge take PA from him
Rendell has a pretty powerful machine in PA, like in 2006, he'll get his coordinated campaign in gear which will run ALL levels (federal, state, local) through harrisburg. He's very efficent in getting all Dem campaigns on the same page and getting them to run together and now he's got Biden to help. Rendell won't let Ridge take PA back from him.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 06:49 AM
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22. Won't beat Obama. The Repuke Establishment doesn't like Ridge. Ridge is pro-choice, plus
many of them feel that he abandoned Bush and the Zombie Repuke base doesn't like him for that. Plus, he does nothing for McSame in terms of bringing economic experience, although he was governor of PA and could bring that state. I think Biden would give him a run for his money...literally! Biden would appeal to the working class in PA. Ridge is another rich, out of touch Repuke.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:13 PM
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2. The smartest move McCain could make right now is to call in sick. nt
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:15 PM
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3. But he's a baby killer..
and after McCain made that you have human rights at conception proclamation, he'd look pretty silly and unreasonable next to Ridge.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:32 PM
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6. After Operation Iraqi Freedom, we're all babykillers just by being Americans
They just get squeamish about killing American babies. Give 'em a few years and I'm sure they'll get over that scruple too.
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TNMOM Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:09 PM
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9. Picking Ridge is right in line
with this flip-flopping ways.
One day he's anti-abortion, another day he picks someone is pro-choice. He will pick Ridge. The wingnuts will fall in line no matter what because they are unprincipled, sheep-like idiots who will do whatever their church tells them to do, including killing babies.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:12 PM
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11. i think his love of the Patriot Act might cancel about his pro choice postion for the
rw fundie base---maybe.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:26 PM
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4. is Huckabee
totally out of the running?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:30 PM
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5. He seemed to think he wasn't in consideration in an interview last night.
Huckabee is the real straight shooter on the red side of the sanity divide. He seems to know his job will be to line up the fundies and hope for a cabinet post in the Spring (or a hell of a lot of speaking fees and lobbyist gigs, if all goes right for our side).

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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:34 PM
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7. ya the reason I ask is
I don't like him...I don't like him because he is a fairly good attack dog...and he would shore up the base vote for McCain..getting the base to not sit home on there hands may be his only chanse....I just don't see him holding on to the independent vote at this point...though things could change.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:44 AM
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16. Huckabee is auditioning for the nomination in 2012
He's too dumb for a cabinet position and not interested in the Senate. If he can satisfy the corporate faction of the GOP next time then he might have a shot. Otherwise they will beat him with somebody like Lamar Alexander.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:43 PM
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8. If Ridge is his best shot...
then he's completely fucked.

All we'd need to do is point out how badly managed Homeland Security was under Ridge (plastic and duct tape!). Do we really want Mr. Color Code a heartbeat away from the presidency?

Biden would make mincemeat out of Ridge. Ridge really ain't that bright of a guy.

How do you figure that Ridge would make McCain a winner? I don't see it, honestly.

- as
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:11 PM
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10. When you're trying to distance yourself from the worst administration in history
then making a member of that administration--even a former member--your running mate is not the best way to go about it.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 06:54 AM
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23. That is another point
Spot on - if the McCain camp is happy with itself for running lame A ads about things Biden said in the primary, they have seen NOTHING until the nominate a Bushco employee.

I repeat, Ridge does nothing other than agitate the fundies.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:15 PM
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12. Tom Ridge reminds me of Leonid Brezhnev.



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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:21 PM
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13. plastic sheeting, duct tape
tom "the hoax" ridge?
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Sluggo The Nastycat Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:27 PM
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14. Smartest move for McCain? The Clintons.
I think the best move McCain could make, no matter how unlikely such a scenario might be, would be to try to recruit either Bill or Hillary on his side.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:37 AM
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15. What name did you use before you got tombstoned the last time
Loser.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:48 AM
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17. His pro-choice stance will make some wingnuts' heads explode and they'll stay home.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:49 AM
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18. Smart...you betcha! If this campaign ever shifts into color code mode...it's over.
:evilgrin:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:51 AM
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19. He can't. (a) McNounVerbPOW's chances of dying in office are faily high....
Which would leave republicans with a pro-choice President. And they can't live with that.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 06:20 AM
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20. I think we all know what Republicans are. Where in the OP is anything re: picking Tom Ridge?
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 06:21 AM by WinkyDink
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:09 AM
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24. MITT!!!!
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:23 AM
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25. McHouses and McDuct Tape 08
Please God, let this happen !!!!!
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:25 AM
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26. he can't choose a pro lifer, he needs a pro life woman with economic cred and exec experience
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:27 AM
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27. I just saw something on Huffington that he's considering Colin Powell.
Someone needs to whisper in McBush's ear again. It's pretty apparent Powell isn't in his corner.
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