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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 06:45 PM
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McCain's adultery should be fair game for the Obama campaign because
the republicans and their religious compatriots are officially family values phonies. And Jesus said adultery is a big really big no no as well. So if Bill Clinton can be called on his adultery by repubs, then McCain cheating on his first wife and kids should also be fair game because it speaks to his values and trustworthiness.

Of course there is the fake war hero thing McCain uses -he failed his mission , lost his plane, allowed himself to be captured, but i guess nobody is gonna call him on that either. Somehow being in prison makes one a hero.

Msongs
Riverside CA
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 06:49 PM
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1. Obama alluded to McCain's adultery today in praising Biden.
When he talked about Biden, after his family tragedy "did not just be a Senator, he RAISED HIS FAMILY."
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:51 PM
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13. I don't see how you can argue that refers to McCain's adultery
He was talking about Biden as a single father following a personal tragedy. The only time I know of that McCain took off from being a father was when he was in Hanoi.

Leave personal attacks to the pros. Dems always do better when we refocus on quality of life issues.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:05 PM
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16. He cheated on his wife and left her, after her terrible accident.
Which contrasts to how Biden behaved with regard to his sons after losing his wife.

It's not a personal attack. It's a statement of fact.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:09 PM
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17. These oranges are so much oranger than those apples.
I don't see how you can contrast one marriage breaking up with another in which one of the partners died. There's just not a point of comparison.

By the way, did you know that there are actual issues and policy differences being discussed this year? Some of them are quite important. Perhaps you could read up on them and make a contribution.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:18 PM
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18. Enough of your snark.
Edited on Sat Aug-23-08 08:19 PM by speedoo
You can disagree with me, but there is no reason to embellish your disagreement with unnecessary bullshit.

(edit, spelling)
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:19 PM
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19. issues and policy differences are important
but no one candidate votes 100% the way any given individual would prefer them to.

Character matters just as much. It's a matter of trust. We don't know what information they have that we don't when they make decisions. So we need people in the white house that we can trust to do what's best for the country, not the kind who use their positions to line their own pockets and fuck it to those of us who pay their salaries.

That McCain dumped his crippled wife to be gigolo to an heiress speaks volumes of his character...or lack thereof.

There are basically 2 kinds of people in the world: the takers and the caretakers. McCain is a taker. Biden is a caretaker.

Besides, the Rethugs made adultery and family values a key issue. Now they can live with it.
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libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 06:49 PM
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2. His personal behavior was pretty disgusting, wasn't Cindy , or whatever
her name is, like 19 or 20 years old when he started cheating on his wife with her?
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 06:52 PM
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4. Cindy denied her half -sisters acknowledgment of their relationship
The story of her half sisters is pretty cruel.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 06:59 PM
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5. 17
she lied
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 06:51 PM
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3. there're some sailors who blame him for the Forrestal disaster too. And rumor has it that he was
Edited on Sat Aug-23-08 06:57 PM by peacebird
the only sailor transferred to another ship the next day.

Over 130 sailors died in that and hundreds were wounded... Plus the planes and equipment that had to be jettisoned overboard.... Don't know how to find if this is true or just rumor, but here's a link...


http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_politics&Number=296179328&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=93&part=1
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:30 PM
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6. helped McCain when his father N grandpa were also admirals - protected like George W.. nt
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:47 PM
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11. Not true. The accident was caused by cutting corners in an effort to launch
planes faster, then aggravated by the use of unstable, out-of-date munitions that exploded in the fire.

My uncle by marriage was at Pearl Harbor, and he'll tell you all about how it was a set-up by FDR. Doesn't make it true!


We've got a lot of real stuff to go after McCain with, we don't need to manufacture stuff.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:01 PM
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14. thanks - as I said - i had read about it, but had no way of knowing if it was true or tin foil...
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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:35 PM
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7. Absolutely...
Edited on Sat Aug-23-08 07:35 PM by mamalone
I think we should push the adultery very very hard. Face it, the strength of Obama's pro-choice credentials makes him a very very tough sell for most "values voters"... but reminding them constantly of McCain's betrayal of his first wife and his inability to keep his vows will level that playing field somewhat.

Plus it just shows what an utter smarm the guy is... does anyone really want someone like that running the country???





edited for clarity
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:38 PM
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8. I agree. But I hate people who cheat (unless they have an agreement, which I assume McSame didn't)
Leaving your wife shows a HUGE lack of character in my opinion.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:44 PM
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10. Especially since she was disabled while he was in Vietnam
And since she gained weight and had a limp, she didn't turn him on anymore. So he just cheated on her until he found Cindy and her money, and then he divorced his poor wife. What a sorry piece of work he and Cindy both are. Bleech. :thumbsdown:
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:48 PM
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12. I've seen the pictures of his first wife before and after. If she gained weight,
it doesn't show!
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:03 PM
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15. She looks good to me and she looks like a nice person too
He probably just used it for an excuse for his cheating. What an sorry ass McCain is.
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Konza Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:39 PM
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9. Joe Biden buried his first wife, McCain abandoned his
So I don't want to hear any "Family Values" bullshit from these bastards.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:21 PM
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20. If Edwards' indiscretions are news
Then McCain's should be a blockbuster. That is, if it ever gets any air time.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:23 PM
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21. Of course it's fair game. Everything is fair game in politics to somebody.
In general, the trick is targeting the folks whom need to hear this without annoying the folks who don't think the topic should be touched.
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