When Obama/Biden win, will this be the death....

[Hell Hath No Fury]

of the Democrat's Southern Strategy???

When I woke up to the news this morning, that is one of the things that struck me most. This is the first time in what seems forever the Democratic ticket has not had a white southerner on it. :wow: Conventional wisdom has been a SWM is a must for a successful national run.

Will Obama/Biden be the ones to finally free us from that outdated strategy??

I, for one, certainly hope so.

[opihimoimoi]

1. Its gonna be the death knell of the GOP....Bush has totally fucked the Pub Party no end..

McLame will continue the demise should he be elected...right now...low odds

[Hell Hath No Fury]

11. I think the generational shift that is happening...

will force the GOP to evolve or die. The younger generation will simply not be able to relate to what the GOP currently stands for.

I can't wait. :evilgrin:

[opihimoimoi]

18. Exactlt....times change...negativity had its course as it did throughout history

and now the pendulum swings to the opposite side

[Phoonzang]

2. Well that's tricky.....southern county of Delaware can be considered

The south. I live in the northern-most county (there's only 3). It's definately not the south. But when I go downstate there's a big change in character and attitude.

[OwnedByFerrets]

3. Got something against southerners?

Seems as though its been awhile since someone "other" than a southern person has won for the democratic party. Why cant we just be Americans?? The civil war is over.

[DaveJ]

8. I think that's the point we need to make and

It just might work. Instead of assuming that picking a southerner will win them over, we should show how decent people can reside anywhere, even the north. Of course the Republican party is not afraid to totally mock and ridicule an entire half of the country. We might as well get ready for that.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

9. Nothing against southermers.

I do have something against being held hostage by a particular region. :shrug: I always want the best two candidates we can get -- if they happen to come from Washington state and Maine, I don't give crap. I do not like it if a person is picked primarily because of their region and not their qualifications. I thought Benston was a horrible pick -- but him bring from Texas was one of the primary reasons he was called on -- they wanted to try to put it in play. A lot of the Webb and Kaine talk was because they were from the South. I thought the idea of Kaine was just ridiculous -- completely unqualified -- but damn, they wanted Virginis.

[Virginia Dare]

16. Look around. The South did indeed rise again...

you're right, the civil war is over, but the idealogical struggle went on. I think the OP is saying hopefully this will put a nail in it.

[Bucky]

4. I doubt it. First off, the Democrats haven't had a "southern strategy" since 1960.

Never mind that every election we've won since then we've won with a southerner on the top of the ticket. I'm counting 2000 in there by the way. The Southern Strategy has been the Republicans' calling card since 1972.

By "forever" I think you're referring to 1984 and 1972, the two years that we did the absolute worse, losing to 49 state, 58% + majorities. I don't think we're gonna that bad this year, but it is a HUGE calculated risk we're taking doing this, and it only will work this year because Dubya's come within inches of blowing up the planet.

This is the Democratic Party, the Party of Howard Dean and the 50 state strategy. Bigots, even anti-Southern bigots--are simply not welcome.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

10. When Bill Clinton won...

after our loses, the whole Southern thing was front and center again for Dems. Dems can't win without a southerner on the ticket. I appreciate what Howard Dean has done, and hope to heck Obama/Biden win to free us up a bit more.

[TheDonkey]

5. I think that is a fear with this ticket. This is certainly the GRAND experiment

An african american on the top of the ticket and now no southern exposure on the ticket. Let's see how this works out but I'm confident we can pull it off.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

12. Yup, you are right.

The Party is definitely out there without a net on this one. :D

And I like it! :hi:

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

6. Southern "gentlemen"

Can't keep it in their pants. Foley (Florida). Vitter (Louisiana). Edwards (North Carolina). Barr (Georgia). Hypocrisy is the crime for which they've been exposed, and that doesn't play right with most folks.

Others have been sullied by criminal associations, Abramoff, racketeering, etc.

I hope it means that nobody gives a rat's ass if a Southern ticket used to be a necessity.

I hope it means they're thinking about tomorrow.

[OwnedByFerrets]

23. Oh give me a

fucking break. You seem to imply that Northern Gentlemen DO keep it in their pants. What about Eliot Spitzer, Haggard, Larry Craig, Richard Curtis, Kwame Kilpatrick, Ken Calvert, James McGreevey, Daniel Crane....you get my point. Lets not use a region to vilify a certain type of person please.

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

24. The topic was about the south . . .

I think that you are the one making the implication. I might have posted a similar list to yours if we had been discussing the relevance of that region (or regions: I am a former southerner who has doesn't refer to everything above of Mason-Dixon and west of the Mississippi as the North, nor do I cultivate any resentment or some sort of stupid fraternal rivalry for this mythical North. And the region didn't vilify them, they vilified themselves.

[Cha]

7. Oh those Northern Latte Loveable

Progressives! They're gonna win on their own steam.. not some strategy that's based on bullshit and we can thank Dean, Kerry, Daschle, Durbin and all the others who have been working behind the scenes to insure Democratic infrastructure this time.

The things you learn on DU:)

[Hell Hath No Fury]

13. The 50 State Strategy...

is a thing of beauty and l-o-n-g overdue. Obama used is very successfully in the primary -- gobbled up a whole lotta small states and came out on top.

It is new thinking like that that will change politics for the better.

[Cha]

19. Gobbled up is a funny

but very apt description:9

It is overdue..I was new to politics in 2000 and I couldn't believed the process was only centered in about 18 states..no wonder I liked Dean from the start.

[Virginia Dare]

14. I hope so, especially when they take Virgina..

I'm sick to death of pandering to the Dixiecrats.

[nsd]

15. Is Virginia no longer part of the South?

[Virginia Dare]

17. Northern Virginia isn't..

and they hold all the political muscle in the state.

[styersc]

20. Not so fast Yankee.

That heart and soul of the southern Democratic Party has skin the color of Obamas. Just because there is not a white southerner on the ticket doesn't mean that the south has been blown off, rather we are working like (Yellow) dogs to get a giant turn out down here for Obama. There is a slim chance that Georgia may be in play and here in South Carolina we will work like hell to force McCain to earn every vote and spend big bucks here- a region he would otherwise be able to coast through.

Obama/Biden is an entirely new Southern Strategy. Southern democrats of all colors and creeds are in it to win it!!!

[loyalsister]

21. Better than that

Howard Dean said that white guys in the south should be voting based on what we have in common rather worrying about silly things that divide us- like the confederate flag.

It will be cool to see Obama take that to the next level. I think he's the guy to do it. I think we are on our way to something truly amazing.

[goodgd_yall]

22. I think this campaign is turning a lot of political conventional wisdom on its head n/t