Do you think Hillary would make a good Secretary of State?

[musicblind]

OR possibly working as a Health Czar? It would be awesome if she could have an influential place in the new Obama administration where she could continue working on issues that are important to her from the executive cabinet. :)

What do you all think?

[beyurslf]

1. Supreme Court Justice. I would prefer Chief Justice, but I suppose we have one of those.

Too bad he is so young.

[Honeycombe8]

9. She would not like doing that job. She's an extroverted person into the fame thing.

Which is not a bad thing. But she is not the type to sit by herself in an office and dictate legal opinions.

Sec. of State....well, that's another thing entirely. I can see her doing that.

[joshcryer]

69. Hillary likes fame? OK.

I still see her as a nerdy girl who hates the limelight and just wants to succeed at something without the pressure. Lord knows her gaffes throughout the primaries sunk her more than anything else.

[Honeycombe8]

74. I think that's a wrong impression. People who run for the highest office in the world are usually

into fame, notoriety, are self-confident, extroverts, and maybe sometimes a tad arrogant. That's just the type of person it takes to run for that office. And that is Hillary Clinton (and Obama and Biden and Dodd and Kucinich and McCain and Mittens and.....)

[ecstatic]

83. Not sure I agree. She was never that comfortable on stage

She's an ambitious, hardworking introvert who puts her social anxiety aside to achieve her goals. Just my take.

[Honeycombe8]

86. She was VERY comfortable, IMO. She also did the schtick when she ran for Senate (twice?).

She is very comfortable standing up in front of thousands of people and telling them to vote for her for the highest office in the land because "I am the most qualified, ready to lead on Day One." That she is the best person to be Commander in Chief.

I don't mean to imply there's anything wrong with that. Not at all. But that is the opposite of the type of person it takes to be a judge or Justice, who are typically bookwormy, legalese type people given to legal analytical thought.

Besides, she isn't qualified to be a S.Ct. Justice. Those people, before being confirmed, have years of continuous experience actually practicing law, and many have been federal judges. She was a practicing lawyer for a while many years ago.

[musicblind]

21. I wouldn't be opposed to that

it would be a good place for her to get across her liberal agenda. BUT, I think she might do better as a Health Czar or SOS. Still, I like the way you think and agree with what you said.

[endthewar]

46. Good politicians should not be on the Supreme Court

As a Senator, she can fight for the American people and help pass whatever agenda she thinks is best for her constituents. If you're on the Supreme Court, it's a different story. You're not supposed to be a fighter or an advocate for the American people, but instead you're supposed to honor and interpret the Constitution instead. Hillary is clearly at home being an advocate for the American people, not interpreting the Constitution. The two jobs can conflict at times.

[WeDidIt]

58. HE doesn't like his pay rate

If we insure his pay doesn;t increase, he might have to quit to go into the private sector. The Senate sets the payrate for federal judges.

:evilgrin:

[karynnj]

60. She has never been a judge which is not required, but ceratinly a plus

She also has shown no interest in being that. In addition, would she want the vetting for that - there were at least some ethics problems.

[Cosmocat]

75. One word - filibuster

Remember all the dust up over the filibuster?

Do not think for ONE second that the Rs would find the rationale for them tofilibuster Hill.

This is one area where the fundies DO get the undivided attention of the republicans (see, Miers, Harriet).

Presumably, you are talking about Barack Obama, but NO president could withstand the borderline anarchy that would arise from nominating Hillary Clinton for Supreme Court Justice.

Having fallen short on this presidential bid, Hill's place is the senate, NOTHING wrong with that.

[Beacool]

114. Nope, I hope that she runs again for the presidency at a future date,

You don't come this close to the brass ring just to throw it away forever. I would have preferred Clinton now and Obama later, but if the order is reversed, so be it.

[Flash Bazbo]

124. She doesn't have the experience to be on the SC

Just like being FL doesn't qualify one to be President simply being an attorney doesn't qualify one to be on the SC.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. I think that I'm sick of hearing about Hillary Clinton

I think that we should focus on our ticket, and who would be best to work with Obama and Biden in their cabinet.

[musicblind]

5. That is EXACTLY what we are discussing

and I think Hillary would be great to work with Obama and Biden in their cabinet. Secretary of State would be good, so would Health Czar. She has always cared a lot about health care. :)

[Diane R]

8. I am so with you. Enough.

[Joe the Revelator]

10. Seriously. this is a great day for the democratic PARTY...why are there so many threads about a

Senator not on the ticket? It needs to end.

[smoogatz]

13. Well said.

Enough with the fucking "it's all about Hillary" drama, already.

[polmaven]

40. Hmmm...

last I looked, Secretary of State WAS part of the president's cabinet. Have they changed that?

[Joe the Revelator]

45. no, but some reading comprehension would do you well.

[polmaven]

47. Perhaps you need to comprehend what you post!

"I think that I'm sick of hearing about Hillary Clinton

I think that we should focus on our ticket, and who would be best to work with Obama and Biden in their cabinet."

The OP asked if Senator Clinton would be a good choice for Seretary of State. Now, either that IS discussing and who would be best to work with Obama and Biden in their cabinet.", or you think Secretary of State is not a cabinet position.

[joshcryer]

70. Rich ain't it?

The Hillary hate continues to the point of irrationality.

[polmaven]

84. Unbelievable!

But, you know, it is the people who defend her against the attacks who are blocking party unity! ....Riiiiight!

Thanks josh.

[musicblind]

85. Exactly!

If only we could all be UNIFIED in our hate then we'd be set.

:(

[polmaven]

90. You've got it

friend!

[greguganus]

72. Wouldn't Hillary have to be vetted for any position in Obama's cabinet?

I don't see it happening. She's safer where she is.

[Honeycombe8]

87. I don't think so, for some positions. Sec of Def. has to be approved.

I don't think some of the other positions have to be approved. If I had to guess, though, his pick could be challenged by Congress.

But they don't have to be "vetted" like a VP.

[medicswife]

3. I think she either gets Health Czar or

she'll get nominated as a Supreme Court Justice.

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. I think it would be nice for her to be able to finally wrap up the healthcare

thing she started way back when.

[musicblind]

22. Yes!

She could finish what she started, and we'd be getting closer and closer to universal healthcare (or we can hope at least). :)

[Zhade]

94. The Insurance Care?

Not a good idea to put health care decisions in the hands of those who routinely deny coverage for a fatter bottom line.

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

35. How about a healthcare czar with the best plan?

If we're going to do something about healthcare, let's do it right the first time. HR 676 is THE plan.

[TheModernTerrorist]

65. Hell yeah!

Now there's a man I could get behind.

...seriously, if he somehow managed to get a Cabinet position, I would be an extremely happy person :-)
If not, I'd be happy with him as one of the few people in Congress that speak for my views.

[Zhade]

91. NOW YOU'RE TALKING!

NT!

[Kahuna]

93. I do not want Hillary who screwed it up the last time to be health czar.

That just doesn't make sense.

[Diane R]

4. NO! Why is she so entitled? Other senators have served longer, and no one is talking Supreme Ct

[gateley]

6. I think she'd be a great SOS, but I think Richardson makes more sense --

or Clark. Or Kerry.

Whatever they decide (Clinton and Obama), I know she'll do an outstanding job.

[Barack_America]

7. Senator from New York.

That's where I think she'll have the biggest impact. Seriously. And that's not a dig against her.

[Chloroplast]

34. Thank you. What's wrong with her doing the job she's already been hired to do?

:shrug:

[DB1]

43. I think she can be a most influential Senator if she works as hard as she has in the past.

She has done a lot of good in a short time, add that to a near 60 majority and she could move some mountains. Step aside Harry.

[Cosmocat]

76. BINGO ...

and what people just don't get is that is most benficial TO HER.

She controls HER destiny in the senate, she WILL get relected whenever she runs, and be one of the 102 more influencial people in this coutnry.

WHY would she leave her senate seat, where SHE controls her destiny, to take a post within the administration, that will be terminal at the whim of this president, or the next administration?

[blm]

Well, she'd be great at those issues she LED ON the last 7yrs in the senate. So...what

would those be? Couldn't be foreign policy, since she never led on that issue and at the very time when Bush needed opposing most.

Couldn't be healthcare, as the moment she received backlash on that issue in 1993, she backed off and would not pursue it again throughout his husband's presidency.

So...what issue do YOU really feel she will lead diligently, even through the most difficult debate?

[MiniMe]

11. I actually think she is better in the Senate

She is a good senator, and she wields some power for being a relatively new senator. Being in the cabinet would basically end her Senate career, where do you go from the cabinet? Maybe a state governor, but is that what she wants? At least the SCOTUS is a lifetime appointment. I think there are others, like maybe Richardson who would be better for SOS. Besides, it would always be a question about is it her or is it Bill. I don't think that would be a good thing.

[NotThisTime]

12. Only if she knows how many homes she owns.... and possibly know the type of vehicle she drives LOL

[Muttocracy]

15. Why is being my Senator such a horrid thing that everyone jobhunts for her? nt

[musicblind]

18. LoL

okay, that was a good comeback :rofl:

[Muttocracy]

36. is it me?

:shrug:

thanks for appreciating :)

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

39. Perhaps because, her one and only reason for becoming a Senator has now ended?

I'd be very surprised if she ran again.

[Metric System]

107. Ugh. She's into her second term as a Senator. You can't read her mind.

[Overseas]

16. No. Not enough foreign policy experience. SENATE MAJORITY LEADER

would be fabulous. Much better than Harry Reid.

[Spider Jerusalem]

98. Why should she be Senate majority leader?

Others have more seniority and are better liked and respected.

[speedoo]

17. Her job for the next few months is to get Obama and Biden elected.

Let's see how well she does in that job.

[Lyric]

23. That's as much our job as hers.

Let's see how we ALL do.

[Egnever]

29. Well said.

[polichick]

19. Not SoS - imo she's too hawkish for the job.

[last1standing]

20. I don't think her temperament suits either position.

That's not a dig - Hillary has a very strong personality that would probably clash with Obama's in a cabinet position.

I think she should be made a supreme court justice. That's a position where she could influence public policy for many years to come and retain her autonomy.

[Motown_Johnny]

24. For years now I have thought she should head Foreign Relations and Bill should be special envoy to

the Middle East

I am not a big Clinton fan (for a Dem) but he did a fantastic job with the Israeli - Palestinian conflict while in office. If Shrub had possessed the courage and integrity to continue with Bill's accomplishments we would not be in the situation we are today. Neither would the millions of innocents who live in that region.


The Clintons are still looking for a way to insure their legacy. I suggest giving them the chance to bring some measure of peace to the Middle East. I think they can do it.

[musicblind]

25. That is a great idea!

Thank you for bringing a positive idea to this thread.

I have never thought of her in a foreign relations position before, but she could do well there and have a lot of influence in bringing good to the world.

:hug:

[Motown_Johnny]

33. Yes, she did meet many people while first lady, I never supported her for President and I don't

think that her first lady experience was relevant to the Presidential race.

BUT....


as far as the ability to grasp situations abroad as they develop and deal with them in a timely manner, I do believe that her time as first lady is helpful in that arena. She is also unquestionably smart enough and hard working enough to hold that position.



Plus having Bill as a partner with the greatest foreign relations issue now facing our nation (Middle East Conflict) is a team that might accomplish what no body else can.



I think the one problem here is that seniority determines chairs in the Senate, she is not a senior Senator... yet...

[karynnj]

62. Nor is she even on the SFRC

Not to mention Dodd, Kerry, Feingold, Boxer and the whole rest of the Democrats on the committee would be more likely. they all beat HRC on the merits as well.

(Not to mention, Kerry actually did better than she, as he actually won the nomination.)

[Chloroplast]

38. What kind of peace could Bill bring to the ME?

He's not exactly impartial if the rumors concerning him, his library and BCCI are to be believed.

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

41. Well, in fairness to Bill, he almost did, back in 1994

http://blogs.reuters.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/Rabin,%20Clinton,%20Arafat.jpg
If the Likud Nazi Warmongering bastards hadn't killed their own prime minister (much like the Bush Crime Family killed JFK and his brother) this would have been a done deal. And there would be no PNAC, Iraq occupation, or Chimpresidency today.

[Motown_Johnny]

44. He came closer to an agreement in Israel/Palestine than anyone else has

I never said he is impartial but he has extraordinary talents.





If you work under the assumption (as I do) that "without a fair and sustainable resolution to the Palestinian situation no larger peace can ever be possible". Then you need to deal with that situation so that it no longer serves as an excuse for violence against Israel and the countries which support it's existence.

[Zhade]

99. Well, you said "fair". How was the agreement that allowed the continuation of illegal settlements...

...on Palestinian land fair?

[karynnj]

61. It is very unlikely she will head Foreign Relations -

she is no even on the committee. If we win, Dodd will likely head it - unless he wants to keep his Banking committee chair. Then it would go to Kerry, then Feingold ...

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

66. Dodd, Kerry or Feingold should be the next Senate majority leader

There's no question that Harry Reid needs to go, and there doesn't need to be any other useless DLC asswipes in his place.

[Motown_Johnny]

78. as I said in an earlier post, the seniority system in the senate means she won't get that chair

I know.. I know...

I was just speculating

[karynnj]

122. My point was not just senority

Dodd, Kerry, Feingold and Boxer - the next 4 Democrats not only have more senority but far more foreign policy experience than HRC.

[vaberella]

26. Possibly Health. Secretary of State belongs to Clark. At least give him that. n/t

[moriah]

63. If I had my dream cabinet...

I'd put Clark as the Secretary of Defense, Richardson as Secretary of State, Hillary as Secretary of Health and Human Services, and James Langevin for Department of Homeland Security (he can't really harm the pro-choice stance there).

But that's just me. Whoever Obama picks will be the right people.

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

67. I'd put Richardson at state and Clark at Defense

I know there's a caveat there that you are supposed to be out of the military for 10 years before you can accept the SecDef position, but I've also heard that there can be "exceptions" to that rule. And what more grounds for an exception do you need than the last 8 years. If THAT is what civilian leadership can do to the Pentagon, then how the fuck could a 4 star general (retired in 2000) be any worse? Who could argue against that?

[Egnever]

27. LOL I think

You freaking hilarious!

:toast:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

28. Kerry for SOS, Hillary for HHS.

[musicblind]

51. That would really good because I like Kerry A LOT too! n/t

[MiniMe]

55. Stop raiding the Senate of good Senators

[Starbucks Anarchist]

59. I didn't know I had that power.

[terrya]

30. I'm still pushing for her on SCOTUS.

I'd love to have her tangling with the likes of Scalia. :-)

[bigwillq]

31. I want her to stay in the Senate.

I think she is a good Senator.

[mmonk]

32. Either but I prefer a single payer healthcare system.

[Virginia Dare]

37. No. Keep her in the Senate..

possibly as Mjority Leader. I just don't think she and Obama would have a good working relationship, not right now. Too many bridges burned.

[democrattotheend]

42. Health Czar, yes. Secretary of State, no

I don't think Secretary of State is the right role for her. Health care is what she is most passionate about, and her experience as First Lady was valuable on the foreign stage but she wasn't in on the briefings or anything, so she doesn't really have that much relevant experience. I think John Kerry should be Secretary of State...but I like the idea of Hillary getting a large role to play on health care, either in Obama's cabinet or in the Senate.

[highplainsdem]

48. Not just good -- great. Either as Secretary of State or healthcare czar (or whatever you want to

call it).

:)

[nsd]

49. Not Secretary of State.

Even with Biden otherwise engaged, there are better picks for that job: Richardson, Kerry, Nunn.

Maybe HHS secretary, but she'd probably do more good in working for health reform from the Senate than from inside the administration.

[polichick]

50. I like Richardson for SoS.

[Zhade]

52. No, I don't.

Especially not Health, after her debacle that was Insurance Care.

[crimsonblue]

53. nope. and nope.

she needs to stay in the senate.

[invictus]

54. Hillary should stay out of the executive branch and stay in New York for the rest of her political

career.

[mamalone]

56. NO

Actually I think she should retreat from public life for a while.

[AtomicKitten]

57. No, I don't, but - no worries - there are plenty of others that would.

[childslibrarian]

64. Frankly she could be majority leader

Why would she accept a cabinet post?

[Hekate]

68. Supreme Court Justice. She was a top-notch lawyer for children's rights.

For the Obama administration there would be several advantages to this all around. For one thing, she and Bill would be in another branch of government entirely and out from underfoot. For another thing, I think she would make a very good Supreme.

OTOH, she also makes a good Senator.

Hekate

[H2O Man]

71. Sure.

She would be a very good Secretary of State. And an outstanding leader in Health & Human Services.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

73. Make her the Health Czar and ask her not to fuck it up this time. Listen to the experts

on the ground and follow their suggestions.

[bvar22]

89. Hillary is already listening to the experts....

...the experts at Big Pharm and For Profit Health Insurance Corporations.

Just say "NO!" to Mandatory For Profit Health Insurance.

[MadHound]

77. Oh Good God no, let Hillary just please, go away

Stay in the Senate, that's fine. But as Sec of State, well Rico Suave she's not. As far as HHS, sorry, but one of the big reasons I didn't vote for her was her health plan.

Just let Hillary and her husband fade away.

[GoesTo11]

79. She would be a horrible Secretary of State

Secretary of HHS would be a very good fit for her temperament and values - she could fight for what's right there. That's the only position I can see her being effective.

But Sec. of State - no, she has too much ego and even though she's improved at it, she's not so great at playing well with others.
And no way for Supreme Court. What have we seen of her keen legal mind that shows any special qualification there? She is not always logically coherent (as seen throughout the campaign - caucus states don't count, small states don't count red states don't count, ...) and she is not seen as a person of the highest ethical standards. Even though Scalia, Alito and Roberts are ideologues, they are also very well versed in the law, and they would eat her up. Thomas - not so much.

No appointments as consolation prizes, please.

[Stop Cornyn]

80. Not SoS, but maybe Sec'y of Health & Human Services

[HCE SuiGeneris]

81. No Czars, no Homeland, no more Repuke literary contrivances...

I think she would make a great leader in any cabinet position.

[ecstatic]

82. Sure. Why not? nt

[NancyG]

88. Supreme Court Justice

That would be sweet.

[scarletwoman]

92. I don't really care. Doesn't she already have a job as Senator for New York?

If there's a role in the Obama administration that's a good fit for her, fine. Let's just work to get Obama elected and worry about the composition of his Cabinet later.

sw

[musicblind]

103. I think we can do both

I also think that speculating about cabinet positions excites people and gets them motivated :)

But I do agree that it is very important that we get Obama elected or all these ideas are merely pipe dreams.

[scarletwoman]

110. I don't quite agree -- I think it's more like putting the cart before the horse.

But if you want to speculate/fantasize about the possible makeup of an Obama administration Cabinet, fine. Then throw out a bunch of names for a bunch of different posts, instead of making it just a Hillary thread.

[undeterred]

95. No but she could be a Secretary of Something

[ccharles000]

96. yes

[BlooInBloo]

97. She who voted for war, admits no mistake, and wants to obliterate Iran as our Head Diplomat?

Not.

[Erin Elizabeth]

100. At this point, I don't care WHAT she does.

I don't care where she goes. I don't care what she says. I don't care what job she has. I. Don't. Care. About. Hillary.

[musicblind]

104. Then why post in this thread?

obviously you do care.

[Erin Elizabeth]

109. To express that OPINION.

I would have thought that was obvious. You asked for opinions, I gave mine. Sorry you didn't like it.

[polmaven]

113. Well, if that poster

doesn't care about Hillary, then what business does anyone have mentioning her name anywhere on the site she owns?

Oh...she doesn't own the site? Oh....Never mind!

[scarletwoman]

112. LOL! I am SO with you on that! (nt)

[tammywammy]

101. She should remain Senator from New York

I think she'd have more impact staying where she is, than moving into a cabinet position.

[musicblind]

105. That is a valid argument for people to make

Though I'd love seeing her work via the administration on health care. But I have seen several people make that point and it is a reasonable one.

[emad]

102. No. I think making Senator is a lifetime achievement.

I really worry about what will happen if McCain gets in.

[Clear Blue Sky]

106. Let her stay in the Senate, gain seniority, and push through some good legislation.

[Metric System]

108. What is this talk about Hillary as Supreme Court Justice all about? I don't get it. Where did that

come from?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

111. Health definitely but she should stear clear of foreign policy

[denem]

115. She would be better than Condi

and that's not saying much.

[Beacool]

116. Why should she want to abandon the senate to be in his cabinet?

She has more power in the senate than in a cabinet position, unless it's something prestigious like Secretary of State. Anything else, is not worth leaving the senate.

[demwing]

117. The Following Cabinet Positions Have Never Been Held By A Woman

Treasury, Defense, Interior, Agriculture, Energy, and Veterans Affairs.

Does anyone think Clinton is capable, and willing, to take on any of thes roles?

[Zomby Woof]

118. We need her in the senate

Richardson would be a good Sec'y of State, however.

[Radical Activist]

119. I'm sure she would.

I wonder if having such a recognizable figure who's married to a former President might send mixed messages to foreign leaders. Will they think that Hillary or Bill are really in charge and take Obama less seriously? :shrug:

[dansolo]

120. Hillary will not be in Obama's cabinet

I can't see any role that would suit her. Secretary of State??? Get real. Why can't she continue working on issues that are important to her from the Senate?

[my3boyz]

121. No and no. nt

[monomach]

123. Hell no!

Over people like Kerry or Richardson? Absolutely ridiculous!

[qwlauren35]

125. Please, please, please keep her in the Senate

She's starting to gain seniority and power there. Why would anyone want her to give that up for a cabinet position?

Most people retire after a cabinet position. I don't like that idea at all.