"women do not amount to much in themselves,"

[Liberal_in_LA]

The husband gets to heaven by pleasing God, the wife gets into heaven by pleasing her husband.

"Celestial" marriage, as this eternal marriage is often called, is essential for Mormon women. Without being celestially married to a holder of the priesthood, a woman cannot be "saved" (Green 154). Mary Ettie Smith, a Mormon woman who left the church and Utah in 1856, said that "women do not amount to much in themselves," and that women in those times were often celestially married to men they had no intention of ever living with, so that they could have a man who would be able to get them into heaven (Green 154). In the temple marriage ceremony, women are given secret names known only to their husbands, for identification purposes, so their husbands can pull them through to "the other side" after death (Laake 118). During the marriage ceremony, until 1990, men made their temple covenants directly to God, while the women had to make their temple covenants to their husbands (Laake 328).

http://adancingbabyinthemidnightsun.blogspot.com/2007/12/mitt-romney-and-mormonism.html

[Honeycombe8]

1. Weird. But to be fair, ALL religions have backwards views and scriptures about women. nt

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. I think the earth mother religions actually revere females. :^)

[BrklynLiberal]

10. Yep. see post #9

[GreenPartyVoter]

12. Good post. Thanks for that info. :^)

[KAZ]

3. How about those Bears?

Just as relevant in GDP. :shrug:

Edit: sp

[Liberal_in_LA]

5. Related to Romney... wonder if the media will call him out on his beliefs.

[KAZ]

6. Ah, gotcha. My mistake.

[Bucky]

14. Highly inappropriate

Romney's a flip flopper, a liar, a con artist, a danger to the Constitution and the Bill or Rights. Attacks on candidate's religion are strictly for cowards, bigots, and fascists.

[panader0]

4. To hell with the LDS

In Surf City there's two girls for every boy.

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

7. My grandmother's last husband was a Mormon when she married him

Not a Temple "celestial" wedding obviously, because she was not LDS. He left the Mormon church a few years later, and the Missionaries came calling, attempting to change his mind. They tried to change hers as well, using the whole "God of your own planet" thing as a selling point.

Why just think of it! You can be a mother and give birth to spirit babies for all eternity in Heaven!

Grandma looked right in the missionary's eye and told him "the LAST thing I want to do in Heaven is have any more babies. Now get the Hell outa here!!"

[Liberal_in_LA]

8. They avoid discussing the "God of your own planet" these days...they know it makes em seem loony

[BrklynLiberal]

9. When God was A Woman

When God was A Woman by Merlin Stone

http://www.amybrown.net/women/book.html

The question most pressing - perhaps the one that has most insistently caused this book to come into being - is this: What effect did the worship of the female deity actually have upon the status of women in the cultures in which She was extolled? In this book, archeologically documented, is the story of the religion of the Goddess. Known by many names - Astarte, Isis, Ishtar, among others - she reigned supreme in the Near and Middle East. Worshipped for fertility, she was revered as the wise creator and the one source of universal order. Under her, women's roles differed markedly from those in patriarchal Judeo-Christian cultures. Women bought and sold property, traded in the marketplace, and the inheritance of title and property was passed from mother to daughter. How and when did the change in our perception of God (and woman) come about? By documenting the wholesale rewriting of myth and religious dogmas, the author reveals a very ancient conspiracy: the patriarchal re-imaging of the Goddess as a wanton, depraved figure. This is the portrait that laid the foundation for one of culture's greatest shams - the legend of Adam and fallen Eve. It is time to bring the facts about the early female religions to light. They have been hidden away too long. The facts in this book will help you understand the earliest development of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam and their reactions to the female religions and customs that preceded them. With these facts, you will be able to undestand how these reactions led to the political attitudes and historical events that occurred as these male-oriented religions were forming - attitudes and events that played a major part in formulating the image of women during and since those times.

[frogmarch]

11. How I enjoy being an atheist! nt

[Cleita]

13. Well, we were taught something similar in Catholic school.

The woman was the heart of the home and the man was the brains. Duh, Oh. I guess they never met some of the men I did.

[Bucky]

15. What a chickenshit argument. Shame on you.

Romney's a flip flopper, a liar, a con artist, a danger to the Constitution and the Bill or Rights, a supporter of torture, and a foreign policy ignoramus. These are all valid points for going after him. Attacking his faith is bullshit and totally unamerican.

Attacks on candidate's religion are strictly for cowards, bigots, and fascists. Find a real issue or find a different party.

[Liberal_in_LA]

16. Nope. Disagree with ya