I would rather see Clinton as VP.

[cloud75]

I think there would be more excitement in the party that negative coverage by the media. I will support the ticket just not as enthusiastically.

[tekisui]

1. ok.

[jakem]

2. go away.

[democrattotheend]

79. The OP said he/she would support the ticket

Why do you have to be nasty? This is someone expressing genuine disappointment, not a PUMA.

[niceypoo]

99. Anger and bigotry poison a persons integrity...

Some people are permanent casualties of the primary fight, nothing we can do or say will soothe their condition.

[LaurenG]

3. Well It's Biden!

:bounce:

[Genevieve]

4. blechh.

[C_U_L8R]

5. Hillary prefers Biden

[Rosa Luxemburg]

6. well she isn't

[NRaleighLiberal]

7. Would you have enough popcorn ready to watch the disassembly of all things Bill Clinton?

Would you have wanted this election to be a long rehash of Bill.....don't you think it may be best to let this focus on the subject at hand - hope for the next four years?

Very shortsighted and selfish of you, really.

[PATRICK]

8. Well the "rather" posts

are not as bad as the "we're screwn!" posts.

I guess the pointless negativity spectrum ends at "At least it wasn't Bayh" posts.

[The Night Owl]

9. You got Bidenbowled. {EOM}

[terrya]

10. I'm warming more and more about this ticket.

This is a winning ticket. This ticket has solidly convinced me we'll win this November.

[BklynChick]

11. could you have waited until at least tomorrow?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

110. love your picture !

[bigwillq]

12. Get on board

the Obama-Biden express! :bounce: I don't think they will steer us wrong!

[book_worm]

13. And I wish Gore had run but sometimes we just don't get what we wish for.

[billyoc]

14. Good. Help us get her out of the Senate, and you can make her VP.

Of some bank somewhere.

[onehandle]

15. It would have created excitement, but this was the safer choice. nt

[Eurobabe]

19. Oh the drama

I personally could not take another 3 months of hearing Clinton drama. This is a much more solid choice.

[CitizenLeft]

16. give it time.

Glad you're supporting the ticket. :)

[Kaylee]

17. Anyway, back to reality......

[tallahasseedem]

18. Well...

then start supporting the party.

[Thrill]

20. My guess is you will be enthusiastic when you see Biden on the Campaign trail

[MrsBrady]

21. I love Hillary Clinton

But that doesn't mean I don't like Obama or Biden.

Go Obama - Biden!

[Spider Jerusalem]

22. I'm happy with Biden.

But I'm even happier that it isn't Hillary.

[scarletwoman]

23. It depends on your definition of "excitement".

Clinton on the ticket would have sent me screaming down the street pulling my hair out in despair -- which I suppose could be considered a form of "excitement", so maybe you're right.

sw

[cloud75]

33. although you are putting down my post...

it was hilarious!!!

[scarletwoman]

40. Thanks for being so generous.

:D

[seabeyond]

24. i am totally satisfied with obama's choice. played it smart. n/t

[highplainsdem]

25. According to the polls, most Democrats and most of our delegates agree with you. But it's Biden.

I don't think it was the best choice, and I suspect it will be interpreted by many Clinton supporters as a slap at the Clintons by Obama (and it will be interesting to see how that plays out, given what the polls have been showing about the lack of party unity).

But Biden is the best choice among the non-Clinton possibilities that were discussed recently.

[juajen]

27. I believe Biden is a good choice, NT

[Rene]

90. Biden's 65...longest serving Senator...has tried to run for Pres 3 or 4 times

I don't recall he's ever taken one state. People do not want to vote for him.....mr bankruptcy/banker friend. he'll steamroll over obama with his bonbastic ways.

[Kahuna]

31. Name recognition. Period. nt

[Occam Bandage]

34. Not giving someone the VP slot is a "slap?" Damn, he just slapped 300 million Americans!

Seriously, this Clinton entitlement is pissing me off.

[highplainsdem]

46. It isn't "entitlement." It's a unity ticket. Very basic concept, though it's one you're

obviously unfamiliar with. Most DUers do seem to have a difficult time comprehending just how popular Clinton was, and still is. The fact she got approximately as many votes as Obama doesn't register with you. The fact the polls show a majority of Democrats thought she should be on the ticket doesn't register with you. The fact she continues to poll better against McCain than Obama does, months after he became the nominee, doesn't register with you.

I hope Obama can unite the party, with Biden's help, despite deciding AGAINST a unity ticket. But if he can't, November is going to be one hell of a reality check for the Clinton-haters here at DU.

[Occam Bandage]

52. And it's a "unity ticket" you think she's entitled to.

You think her second-place finish entitles her to the #2 spot. It doesn't.
You think her name recognition entitles her to the #2 spot. It doesn't.
You think the fact that McCain hasn't run negative ads against her yet entitles her to the #2 spot. It doesn't.

The only thing that would entitle her to the #2 spot would be if Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee, believed that she would make the best VP. He doesn't.

What happens in November has nothing to do with Clinton, either way. If he loses, it's not because he didn't pick Clinton, and it's not because Clinton torpedoed him, though the people who can't get over the primary will happily blame each other. If he wins, it's not because he didn't pick Clinton, and it's not because Clinton helped him. You think she's still relevant to this campaign.

She isn't.

[polmaven]

55. Well, although I don't think

Senator Clinton was the best choice, for reasons I posted elsewhere here, I am going to say that UNITY is something the Democratic Party is entitled to.

Senator Clinton remains very relevant to this campaign and to the Democratic Party.

I might add that here, at least, on this board, it is not her supporters who are blocking Party UNITY.

[niceypoo]

102. Anger and bigotry poison a persons integrity...

Is always the same few who just can't seem to move beyond it...

Fortunately the other 99.999999999999...% of DUers have moved on.

[Zhade]

107. Less votes.

You really need to stop with the dishonesty.

[polmaven]

53. No bigger Clintonian during the Primary

season than I, but I really think that both Senator and President Clinton understand that Senator Obama could not have chosen her without the true bigots in this country exploding.

There are, unbelievably, so many racists and misogynists (and both) in this, the most "advanced" country on Earth, that the presence of both an African American and a woman on the same ticket would absolutely, in my opinion, cause such a vile hate filled General that nothing else would be heard.

I may be very wrong. Actually, nothing would make me happier than to be wrong, but Senator Obama needed, I think, ...OK...I'll say it...an "older, more experienced white male" (WOW, that was harder to type than I thought it would be) to balance the ticket.

Please...I'm begging someone to prove to me that I am all wet. I would love to not look at it so cynically, but that's the way I see it.

[Eyes_wide_ open]

75. I wish I could argue with that

As a country we have come a long way down that road, and although I see steady progress there is still so much farther to go. All other arguments aside, an African American and a woman on the same ticket would be political suicide at this point in time IMO.

It's going to be hard enough to get past half that equation, but I think the selection of Biden will go a long way toward easing the minds of those who would be 'iffy'. The experience factor is a big plus, and I love that we have somebody that will take the fight to them. I was rooting for Clark, but it was Obama's call and he chose who he thought was best for him. I can't fault his decision, and think that Biden has many of the same positives, so it's all good.

[LowerManhattanite]

68. At this point in the game, breathing while walking seems to be considered...

...“a slap at the Clintons” by our griefer brigade here at DU. Ugh.

[NorthCarolina]

26. Take joy in the simple fact that it wasn't Bayh, or Kaine

eom

[Kahuna]

32. Amen. I would have been devasted. nt

[yourguide]

28. she lost

it's over.

[RoadRage]

29. With what Bill did to Hillary's campaign..

and frankly, you have to assume he actually LIKES his wife, i'd be terrified if I were Obama to have him near me. Bill has made no secret that he doesn't like Obama.. i'm thinking he'll do anything possible to make sure he doesn't get him elected. Easier to prevent that if you keep him & his wife out of the close circle.

I like the Biden pick.

[ErinBerin84]

30. fair enough.

Hopefully when Joe Biden starts campaigning, you can get more enthusiastic about him. And if not, no big deal...I've voted lots of times for people who I have been unenthusiastic about, so I understand where you're coming from. I think that Hillary Clinton has something better in store for her in an Obama administration.

[elana i am]

35. speak for yourself

<<<I think there would be more excitement in the party>>>

clintons=DLC=DINO

[polmaven]

57. I see nothing in the OP

to even hint that he was speaking for anyone BUT himself!

[Chan790]

36. I've never gotten past the vibe that she didn't want the VP slot.

She spent months dodging the question when asked and talking about how much she wanted to continue to represent the state of NY. Of course that's the common tactic, everybody does that. It would certainly explain why she wasn't vetted though...they've been talking since before the VP-vetting began, if she'd said "Barack, I don't want to be your VP." they would not have used resources to vet her.

If that's the case though, I hope she waits a few days to let Obama and Biden have the spotlight then comes out and says that she wasn't considered because she didn't want to be. When she follows that up a few days later with her convention speech where I expect that she will give the strongest endorsement possible of Obama and urge her supporters to support who she's supporting as strongly as if they were supporting her; I think it would go a long ways towards pulling together the party and bringing into the fold a lot of her supporters who are not currently supporting Obama. (To be clear, I'm not talking about anybody here at DU...I mean out of the great mass of humanity that is the American people.)

[JTFrog]

41. She didn't want it. She wasn't vetted because of Bill's shady financial dealings.

That's why she's been playing for 2012 and giving us the ol "Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience... Obama has a speech" routine.

She has to be at the top of the ticket so it's her lawyers doing the vetting. She wasn't about to let Obama's lawyers start looking at their foundation.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/154863?GT1=43002

[polmaven]

58. She's been doing that since June 7th???

"That's why she's been playing for 2012 and giving us the ol "Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience... Obama has a speech" routine."


WOW....I guess I've missed more that I thought!

:shrug:

[JTFrog]

73. June 7th seems to be a magical date to you.

History didn't begin on June 7th.

[polmaven]

77. Once again, I didn't think you could.

What she has BEEN doing is supporting and campaigning for Senator Obama. I know it doesn't fit into your agenda of Hillary bashing, but get over it and grow up!

[Lisa0825]

37. I'm glad she's not.

She's too divisive to Democrats, and too exciting to the right wing.

[blue_onyx]

64. She also excites millions of voters in a positive way

I think it's better to have someone who inspires passion rather than a boring/safe pick. I like Biden but he wouldn't have been my first pick (maybe my third choice).

[Bonobo]

38. So what?

[JTFrog]

39. He did her a favor. She didn't want it. She had to be the one doing the vetting, not vice versa.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/154863?GT1=43002

In short, Obama behaved like a grownup. Even his much-criticized failure to "vet" Sen. Hillary Clinton means less than meets the eye. I talked two months ago to one of her closest legal advisors, who told me that she didn't really WANT to be considered for the number two job--in no small measure because the process would have required Obama's lawyers to comb through her husband's foundation and its murky sources of income.

In that sense, Obama did her a favor by not really demanding to consider her. She would have had to say "no."

[demwing]

42. Everyone has the right to "prefer"

But if you really think that Clinton would creat more excitemnt than negative coverage then I believe you are either
A. Not thinking this through or
B. Really just not thinking this through.

The MSM helback on Clinton during the primary season, in my opinion because they wantd to see her win, for all the wrong reasons. Clinton carries known baggage (not the least of which is her husband). She would be more fun to write about and debate, endlessly.

[demwing]

43. Everyone has the right to "prefer"

But if you really think that Clinton would creat more excitemnt than negative coverage then I believe you are either
A. Not thinking this through or
B. Really just not thinking this through.

The MSM helback on Clinton during the primary season, in my opinion because they wantd to see her win, for all the wrong reasons. Clinton carries known baggage (not the least of which is her husband). She would be more fun to write about and debate, endlessly.

[usregimechange]

44. She would have brought some strong advantages and some disadvantages but...

I can't wait to see her on the Senate floor leading a 57+ Dem majority to President Obama's desk.

[MiniMe]

94. I really think it was Bill who hurt her chances, and I love Bill

But I have been less than thrilled with his campaigning tactics during the primaries. I'm also not sure she could have passed the vetting because of the Clinton Foundation. Basically, I think Biden got it because he caused less drama on the whole. I love this ticket.

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[kwenu]

47. Clinton is not VP material. She needs to be first or not at all.

[otohara]

67. I Agree - Being #2 Isn't Her Style

she probably thinks that's a job she's already done.

[kennetha]

49. I would rather see Clinton too

Not only that, the was an irresistible argument in favor of choosing Clinton, I thought. It would have brought a massive burst of energy to the democratic ticket and would have been an historic ticket.

That Obama found a way somehow to resist the irresistible argument does not, imho, speak well of him.

[blondeatlast]

50. Post. Run. Pretend you've caused dischord when you did just the opposite.

Scratch your private parts and ask mom to make you a sandwich.

Repeat your sorry life, day after day after day...

[TahitiNut]

66. (lol)

:thumbsup:

[Captain Lance Bass]

51. so would I BUT

Biden will mop the floor with Mittens Romney in a debate

Rumble young Man Rumble!

[Medusa]

54. She has a job.

Let her concentrate on being the Junior Senator from NY state for awhile.

[democrattotheend]

56. That's understandable

I was thinking about this last night, and I know if the situation were reversed I would be pretty disappointed if Clinton didn't pick Obama for VP. I'm glad you will still support the ticket, but I don't blame you for being disappointed.

I wasn't totally psyched about Biden at first (I really wanted Sebelius), but the more I am hearing this morning about Biden the more I like. So hopefully you'll feel the same way after it sinks in a little bit.

As a little consolation, I made some buttons and shirts for people like you, who are supporting Obama but still disappointed about Clinton's loss. They say "http://www.zazzle.com/democrattotheend/products/cg-196053165511745923">Hillary Has My Heart, Obama Has My Vote". I'm donating the proceeds from this stuff to Hillary's debt relief as a little "olive branch".

[Tesibria]

59. imho - that'd create a GREAT campaign and a TERRIBLE administration ...

I think that it would have created an "electric" campaign. Really. I think that HRC as VP would have electrified the "republican base" as no one else would -- but also would would have electrified women dems, and we'd probably win.

But i think it would have created a dysfunctional administration.

While recognizing that we have to WIN to have the administration, I respect him more for NOT taking the "sure win" approach, but for selecting someone who'd actually make the Administration better.

And - before I'm flamed, let me be clear. I respect Hillary.

THAT being said, I think Hillary as VP would be utterly disastrous. Whatever she did, "good" or "bad" would be viewed by the MSM in terms of "is she angling for 2012." That would create the appearance of schism from Day 1.

Is that fair?
Hell no!

Is that reality?
Hell yes!

Does her freudian slips (like calling Obama her opponent just a few days ago) feed the impression?
Yes

It just wouldn't work.

I'm pained that a woman is not on the ticket this year. Truly.
But I'm glad that he didn't put Hillary on for the sake of having a woman on the ticket.
It just makes me respect him more.

[AlinPA]

60. Clinton would be OK, but the media would make it Hillary-Bill for every

hour of the day. People wouldn't know that Obama was running. The media would be in a frenzy over the Clintons and would not let up on them.

[Czolgosz]

61. Me too, but that's only because Biden brings ZERO electoral votes to the ticket and ruins the change

message.

[NYCGirl]

92. Too bad we didn't think of that. Now we'll never win New York State.

:eyes:

[dionysus]

62. your concern is duly noted

[Phx_Dem]

63. Enough already.

Why can't Clinton supporters understand that IT. IS. OVER. I dont' get it. Which word don't they understand?

[TahitiNut]

65. Well...

:nopity:

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

69. Honestly, you are oblivious to the fact the M$M hates the Clintons. Always have, always will.

They wanted Hillary to win so that they could attack her and Bill 24/7. She's easier to beat that way; it's easier for the Repukes to attack and slime the Clintons. That's the only reason why the media continues to hype the Clintons. Their motives are NOT noble. They want McSame to win. He has always been the Media Darling. Don't fool yourself. Hillary Clinton is hated by the media.

[hughee99]

70. I agree, I'd rather see Clinton as VP (only if my other choice is Lieberman). n/t

[Butch350]

71. Give Me a Break will Ya...

Hillary and Bill have slung more SH*T in the primaries than a monkey in the zoo.

Enough of the Hillary please. You can vote for her in her losing election in 2012!

[sandnsea]

72. Nobody hates Biden the way they hate Hillary

I don't know why her supporters can't get that through their heads.

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[MiniMe]

101. Be fair, I think they hate Bill more than Hillary

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

74. That boat has sailed

But I agree Clinton as VP candidate would generate more excitement.

Positive and negative excitement.

[CTyankee]

76. OK, this is the last time I am going to respond to a Hillary post.

I voted for Hillary in our primary. I easily switched to Obama. I love Obama and his family and I believe it is our duty as Democrats to move on and stop the caterwauling about Hillary. We all know what happened with her campaign, so why rehash it.

PLEASE, no more!

[Czolgosz]

78. If Obama wanted an attack dog; if Obama wanted to counter the "inexperienced" attack; if Obama wante

to appeal to blue collar Democrats -- Hillary would have been a better choice.

Why -- oh why -- couldn't Obama have picked a governor or ANYONE who was not an inside-the-beltway archetype?

[butterfly77]

80. Quit dreaming..

I for one would not feel as much excitement..

[jesus_of_suburbia]

81. I really think that Biden is a great choice, even if you support Clinton.

I hope your enthusiasm will grow.

He is the best pick since Gore.

[JerseygirlCT]

82. Well, I guess we cancel each other out then

Because I would have been decidedly unexcited by a Hillary vice-president pick. And I think Biden is THE most exciting choice that could have been made. And the best one.

[Kermit77]

84. Something is wrong with Repubs like Hannity, Pat Buchanan and Imus all want Hillary as VP

Have you noticed that racists like Imus, Hannity and Pat Buchanan all wanted Obama to pick Hillary as VP? They all sound like her biggest cheerleaders now.

Pat Buchanan was on MSNBC just now in mourning over Hillary. He was almost in tears. "Why Oh Why didn't Obama pick Hillary?" :cry:

[JerseygirlCT]

88. I'm convinced it's because

The GOp had their ammunition all ready for HRC. Not having her there is really wrecking their plans.

[invictus]

83. I prefer Biden to Clinton or Bayh. n/t

[Life Long Dem]

85. NOBODY CARES!!

[Bobbie Jo]

86. Yeah...You, Rove, McSame, and Pat Freaking Buchanan...nt

[DainBramaged]

87. I would rather see my wee wee grow to monumental proportions

but I will support it's current dimensions just the same.


Just vote Obama/Biden, enthusiastically or not.

[Top Cat]

89. You need to go away immediately

[jillan]

91. You're entitled to feel that way.

Not everyone is happy.

I wasn't happy with Kerry's pick in 2004.

That's just how it goes sometimes.

[CarbonDate]

93. I'd have rather seen....

...a Gore/Clark or Gore/Feingold ticket.

You can't always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need.

[Colobo]

95. Obama/Biden is an amazing ticket. I bet Hillary agrees.

[HughMoran]

97. I think Biden will be better in the long term

The excitement would have lead to competition between them and a possible rift. Biden is not competing with Obama.

[monomach]

98. Nobody cares. nt

[Starry Messenger]

100. oh well

n/t

[Stop Cornyn]

103. I am no fan of Hillary's but Biden seems to have all her negatives with her strengths watered down

[Starry Messenger]

106. He's married to Bill?

News to me.

MPK

[Zhade]

109. A majority of registered voters don't want him on Obama's ticket?

He's a proven liar about nonexistent sniper fire?

[Undercurrent]

104. Please give it a rest. It's over.

[Zhade]

105. I'm glad clinton's not VP and will not see the inside of the White House again.

The party is united, despite protestations to the contrary.

[AuntPatsy]

108. Ummm gotcha

:eyes: