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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:01 AM
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Why are the T.V. channels allowing these lying political ads?????
I just emailed the channel I watch and told them about factcheck.org, and snopes.com. I keep seeing the ad where Obama's taxplan is a disaster for America. Here is what factcheck.org says.....

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/more_tax_deceptions.html
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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:02 AM
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1. Ever Hear of The First Amendment?
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:18 AM
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3. The first amendment requires TV stations to take money to...
.... run misleading and dishonest ads for political candidates?
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RedShoes Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:31 AM
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7. pretty much. There is no law against lying.
nt
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 09:52 AM
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11. more to the point, there is a law against censoring ads from political candidates
Do you really want the networks and local stations to sit in judgment of all political candidate advertising and to have the discretion to decide which particular ads to run?
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:10 AM
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13. They don't already 'sit in judgement'? They've never turned-down...
...GLBT advocacy ads ? Not *ever*?

If I want to run on an antiwar platform... and wish to use photos and clips of dead American GIs rotting away in the sun and/or dead and mangled bodies of Iraqi babies, the law says the station may not censor the ads?

And...if they may not censor the ads, may they *refuse* to accept the ad based on... well, whatever they wish to say they are basing it on?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:34 AM
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16. political broadcasting 101
during the election season, television stations are required to make "reasonable time" available for federal candidates (not state, local, however). Moreover, for any election, if a station runs an ad for a legally qualified candidate, the station may not censor the ad. Thus, the courts have held, among other things, that a political candidate may demand that a station run an ad that shows an aborted fetus.

http://www.rcfp.org/news/1996/1007d.html
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:17 AM
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18. That's interesting......
>>>television stations are required to make "reasonable time" available for federal candidates (not state, local, however).>>>>

What is meant by "reasonable time"... or is that left deliberately vague by the courts?

Also... is there any connection, legally or conceptually , between "equal time"( Not as in the Fairness Doctrine ) and "reasonable time"... i.e. can a station legitimately tilt toward one candidate and against another by allocating time unequally?

Finally, are the broadcasters required to charge the campaigns equitably? And how could it be determined that they are... *IF* they are so required?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:24 AM
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20. equal time actually is equal opportunities
There are three principal rules governing the broadcasting of political ads.

The reasonable access rule, which applies to federal candidates and requires that a "reasonable" amount of time be made available.

The equal opportunities rule, which requires that competing candidates be able to purchase comparable time for advertising as their opponents.

And the "lowest unit rate" rule, which governs the price that broadcasters can charge candidates.

here is a link to a detailed primer: http://www.tab.org/documents/member-services/legalguide-political.pdf
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:40 AM
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17. Those are "issue" ads
not for candidates. Not the same.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:20 AM
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19. In the first example ....GLBT... Yes.
But not really in the second. The issue ( war and it's consequences) is embedded in the candidacy itself.

Can the broadcaster say, "Take out all that nasty stuff, or we won't run it."?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:25 AM
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21. no, the broadcaster can't say "take out that nasty stuff or we won't run it"
Edited on Sat Aug-23-08 11:30 AM by onenote
Not if its an ad from a legally qualified candidate.

http://www.rcfp.org/news/1996/1007d.html
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:07 AM
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2. Selling ads is their only source of revenue.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:20 AM
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4. because its the law: No censorship of political ads.
Section 315(a) of the Communications Act:
"If any licensee shall permit any person who is a legally qualified candidate for any public office to use a broadcasting station, he shall afford equal opportunities to all other such candidates for that office in the use of such broadcasting station: Provided, That such licensee shall have no power of censorship over the material broadcast under the provisions of this section."



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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:24 AM
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5. Networks absolutely singlehandedly refuse to run political messages all the time.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 09:49 AM
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10.  for qualified political candidates? show me an example
Edited on Sat Aug-23-08 09:50 AM by onenote
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:13 AM
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14. What's a "qualified political canddiate"? nt
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:16 AM
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15. OK, I see it defined in post #4. nt
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:27 AM
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6. Seriously? Do you really expect truth from TV advertising?
That's a bizarre notion. I hope you grow out of it.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:31 AM
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8. They allow misleading commercials all the time
Does "Smiling Bob" mean anything to you?

(Spokesman for Enzyte-a company CONVICTED of fraud and yet, the ads still run)
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:42 AM
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9. First, because they get paid to do that, second, maybe because
the owners of those big companies support the fucking crooks in power now and want to entend the regime.


Do you think any other commercials are truthful?
Why should selling a politician be any different than selling a Ped Egg?


mark
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 09:56 AM
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12. $$$$$$$$$$
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:48 AM
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22. Money. But will Fox "News" accept ads from Obama/Biden? Doubtful they would
allow them to run on their propaganda channel even if there is money to be made.
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