Convince me

[gaspee]

Biden's not the corporatist in Big Banking's pocket. Convince me his nickname of Senator MBNF is completely wrong.

Convince me there was a rational reason for any Democrat to vote for that travesty of a bankruptcy "reform" bill.

Convince me why it was OK for Biden to vote for the IWR if that was the big appeal of Obama and the very big negatives against Edwards and Clinton. As someone who worked their ass off protesting in 2002 and 2003 even knowing it was completely futile but doing it anyway, I wanna know why I'm supposed to celebrate Biden.

I'm all ears. Very, very, very disappointed. Where's a real economic progressive to go these days, Canada?

I am so sick of having to vote for the ticket that's going to fuck over the peasants the least. I have no illusions - I'm a peasant. I can live with that.

So my choices are two moderate corporatists who have no problem with the status quo of the military industrial complex or a crazy old fucker with delusions of godhood and who still thinks we're in a cold war - not an economic war.

Wonderful. I can't wait for November. The choice is obviously clear, but I don't have to be happy about it. Maybe I'll move 100 miles up the road to Vermont and Bernie Sanders can be my Senator.

[gateley]

1. Nobody is going to convince you of anything. Your mind is made up. nt

[whirlygigspin]

6. lol, your not going to sleep anytime soon, RU?

happy happy joy joy :bounce:

[gateley]

8. Hi! I've been trying to pull myself away for the last two hours.

REALLY going to go now -- it's light out! Gotta be back here for the speech!

:pals:

[Political Heretic]

2. No. It's not my fucking job.

[wyldwolf]

3. no

Why? Because purists will never be pragmatic, they will never fully understand electoral politics (no matter how much they think they do) and they'd cut off their nose to spite their face.

The perfect truly is the enemy of the good.

[salonghorn70]

Its Just Entirely Too Early On Sat Morning

For you to be making such good sense. Good Morning to you. :hi:

[wyldwolf]

16. well, I'm a morning person anyway (and my three-year old is, too!)

[BzaDem]

4. If you thought Obama was a modern corporatist, I don't see how you were expecting much for his VP.

[billyoc]

5. OK, I'll try to convince you. Here's a quote I've recently come across regarding November:

"The choice is obviously clear, but I don't have to be happy about it."

[Guava Jelly]

7. ok

You vote for the man who isn't him.
McCain is business as usual guaranteed.
Obama will take us down a better path.
Oh? and arent you sick of these repukes yet?

[gaspee]

11. That's pretty much it.

I've been a dem longer than half of DU has been alive. I've voted in every single election. My state was one of the very few who didn't vote for Ronnie Raygun in '80. I wasn't old enough to vote, but I was out with my parents working the election.

I know the score. I don't freaking like it, but I know the score.

I'm going to get a hundred dem-come-latelys flaming me on this post, but I don't really care.

I'm sick and tired of voting for people who are going to make my life more difficult, economically, because the other guy is worse.

I'm sick of being told my rights, as a GLBT'er, aren't important and to STFU because I have nowhere else to go.

Hell, as it's been made clear, the Democratic Party doesn't need me.

It's disappointing as hell, but it's about what I expected.

At least it isn't Bayh or Nunne. Fer Joy.

[Guava Jelly]

14. I have yet as of to date,found a politician that didn't eventually

disappoint me in some way.
The last was Edwards :(
Politicians aren't perfect (They're human).
Give him a chance to disappoint you before you become disappointed.
I won't flame you.

[gaspee]

21. I like Biden as a person

I don't like some of his major, to me, deal breaking votes.

That bankruptcy bill is ruining people. Real people who have to live with the consequences of what these people do in their little secure world. It's ruining actual lives, every single day.

And I'm not even going to get into what the IWR did -- I can forgive for that though because we all saw the writing on the wall.

Bush/Cheney were going to invade Iraq no matter what. End of story. Anyone with half a brain knew it.

But the bankruptcy bill? There is NO EXCUSE for that vote. NONE.

One of the few ways the peasantry (that would be about 95% of us) has to protect themselves and their future is bankruptcy. It's been part of common law for 800 years or so.

NO EXCUSE.

[RTBerry]

9. I feel your pain.

It's a pity being forced to endlessly settle. But off to the voting booth I will again go, ever the dutiful party-line Democrat.

Sigh.

[Naturyl]

10. I'm a real economic progressive.

Wanna see my bonafides? How about these, just for starters:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Naturyl/14

http://naturyl.humanists.net/synthesis/freedom.html

And I support the ticket. A few bad votes in a 36 year career are not enough to dissuade me from backing a winner. If we want progress, it starts with beating McSame. And this ticket is the way to do it.

[cali]

12. Bernie Sanders is my Senator. Please don't move here.

Joe Biden is been in the Senate for 36 years and he has not reaped the personal benefits most Senators do. He's the 98th or 99th least wealthy in that body.

[denem]

13. Biden's net worth is zero - or less.

He represented his state. Where are the real kickbacks you would expect for a corporatist. Are his children on business boards? Show me the money!

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[TomClash]

18. Look at his ADA rating

I picked four years 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2007. He fluctuates between ratings of 75 and 100, with 100 being the most progressive and O being most reactionary. His score was lowered at times because he missed one or two votes. He isn't exactly Chet Edwards or Evan Bayh or Kathleen Sibelius.

Sanders has a near 100 rating - of course, a few gun votes would lower that rating. No one is innocent or perfect.

Biden gets older and more Catholic voters. Living in Warwick you should know something about that.

[CarbonDate]

19. Everybody gets tired of it eventually.

That comes from caring too much for too long and getting far too little in return.

You were once a Kool-Aid drinker yourself, yes? I can kind of tell, because with due respect, the level of bitterness you're displaying can only come from the disappointment of a true believer.

Let the young whipper-snapper "Obamabots" carry the torch from here. They are what you once were.

[gaspee]

20. Ding Ding Ding

I only wish I had a prize to give you for being so accurate in your assessment.

[Zhade]

22. Yes, Canada.

That's my goal.

Hey, at least it wasn't clinton.