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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:28 AM
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Why Hillary SHOULD be the One!
Think of the convention if it isn't her. Think of the speech she will deliver Tuesday night in prime time. Her supporters will be energized. They will be full of emotion. It will be about her. Whatever she tries to do to turn their hearts over to Obama, she won't be able to.

Now suppose that after that speech, someone else is the VP. What will that mean for how the convention plays out? I can't think of any good that will come of it. I predict that more Clinton supporters will want to vote for her on the first ballot, they will mount loud demonstrations, etc., etc. Of course, Obama will win. But the lack of unity from the floor, the still lingering regret and resentment, will be on display. We don't need that. As much as I backed Hillary (and still would if I had it to do over again) it's time to get this party in unified fighting shape. The convention has to be about writing our narrative for the fall campaign and taking it to the Republicans not catharsis and one last hurrah for the losing side.

But now suppose that Clinton is the VP. Then all of the passion that still is out there for Hillary can be directed toward the ticket. We can put on one helluva a historic show. We can sell ourselves as the party of progress and change. We can take it to the republicans without even an undercurrent of division.

So I say the smart thing to do would be to make Hillary the VP and automatically turn the still real passion for her into passion for our kick-ass unstoppable ticket.

I want to WIN this election. I don't want another 4-8 years of republican rule.

This is a huge opportunity to move the progressive agenda forward. We'll make substantial gains in the House and Senate. If we have the whitehouse too, we will be able to do amazing things.


So, choose HIllary, Barack. And unite this frickin party.

Okay?

Please?

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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:30 AM
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1. I am really getting tired
Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 11:31 AM by Andy823
Of these posts. Let it go, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If her supporters don't back Obama they were never really democrats in the first place!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:31 AM
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3. Yes, no one should be allowed to post something supportive of ...
"that woman"!!!!

:eyes:
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:33 AM
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6. I don't care about their party
I care about their votes. I'm the kind of guy who would never vote for any person the republicans would conceivably nominate. Haven't ever since my first vote in 1972 voted republican. But there aren't enough people like me to insure us victory.

So we need even those who might not be true blue, dyed in the wool dems at any cost to come along for the ride.
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Shoelace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:47 AM
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21. otherwise, I'm afraid we will see McCain in the White House
but that is just my gut level feeling about this election. I've supported Obama to the max and will continue to do so but Hillary is one helluva fighter and he needs this now to counteract all the GOP dirty tricks, etc.
Not to mention those 18 million folks out there who did vote for her and who would love to see her on the ticket. Mixed feelings about that for sure, but if she'll help him to get elected, I say go for it.
Besides, does McCain really need another house when he can't even remember how many he owns?:shrug:
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:51 AM
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24. The last throes: Stage 3 - Bargaining
:rofl:
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:34 AM
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7. ummmm, if they don't back Obama,
we might lose the election. What the hell in more important here.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:30 AM
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2. really, you would think this would be a no brainer. and by the way
I can't stand hillary.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:32 AM
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4. It's the only choice that makes sense,
but I'm not holding my breath.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:33 AM
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5. Pretty poor reasons. If there is convention drama, we'll all get over it.
Well, most of "us" will get over it...

Unlike those whining butt-hurt deadenders who claim to support her but are more than likely Republicans but even if they're not they are not thinking clearly and really need to get on board and support the candidate and whomever HE choses as his VP.

They should be embarrassed.
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:34 AM
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8. The topic of this post is so new and exciting!
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:38 AM
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11. YOu need to get over your hatred of Hillary
it's distorting your sense of reality.
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:39 AM
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13. If you had the ability to search post history, you'd see that I am far from a Hillary hater
However after 89740984095849085490548 posts on this subject the topic has become somewhat stale. Thanks for playing through.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:34 AM
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9. Why is it only hillary supporters count?
Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 11:35 AM by Egnever
Why is it constantly put forth that Hillary on the ticket would unite the dems?

We didn't vote for her for a reason. Despite all of the plusses she brings as a candidate we rejected her in favor of someone else. What in the world makes hillary supporters think over and over that the people that voted against her would be at all pleased by her being picked?

She is everything I hate in politicians. No conviction for anything except perhaps health care. Voted for the IWR likes cluster bombs thinks flag burning bans are peachy continues the George Bush cowboy diplomacy.... It goes on and on.

What in the world makes you people think putting her on the ticket would make people happy?

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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:37 AM
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10. You really need to give over this hillary hatred
A good deal more than half the party doesn't share your hatred of her. A good deal more than half the party thinks she would be a terrific president. Some of those people think Obama would be better, to be sure. But a lot of people who supported Obama would LOVE to see Hillary as VP.

My parents, who were and are, avid Obama supporters for example, are praying (they are very religious) that he picks Hillary.

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:41 AM
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14. What difference does it make that half the party doesnt share it
The fact that there is plenty of people inside the party that DO is enough to disqualify her as VP.

Or is your object just to demoralize the part of the Dem party that does dislike her for legitimate reasons.

I will get over my dislike for her when she stops voting for cluster bombing and wars. Till then its on.

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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:43 AM
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19. My Point is
that your hatred is distorting your ability to see political realities. Your hatred is blinding you toward the best path available to us for advancing a progressive agenda.

Really, get over it and open your eyes to how things are rather than how you want them to be.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:47 AM
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20. hatred hatred hatred hatred hatred.... feh that meme is stale...
she lost, you don't get to dictate shit... never seen such a pack of babies that need to be coddled... this shit set the women's movement back decades...

:puke:
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:51 AM
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22. Who said anything about dictating anything?
You're actually the one trying to "dictate." YOu seem to think that the primaries was an all or nothing thing That the loser, and her supporters, are left with no cards to play and no independent voice or independent reasons. Obama got the most votes but he didn't get all the votes. And he hasn't yet gotten ANY general election votes. And if he wants to get the most votes in the GE he may have to make some accommodations with the Hilary wing of the party -- which is still pretty substantial.

Trying to deny that is just sort of adolescent.

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:42 PM
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42. maybe you totally missed the "hillary better be VP or we'll lose" crap posted in dozens of threads..
:shrug:
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Shoelace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:55 AM
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27. every Democrat should have a voice in our party
so don't be telling me that her supporters don't get to "dictate shit"! Many of these folks aren't "dictating" anything, just hoping that she'll be his vp choice. Beside, that's not the point. The point is; what will win the election?
We ignore 18 million voters to our peril. Also, I don't see that the women's movement was set back decades by Hillary at all.
What has set the women's movement back is Republican control of our govt. for the past 8 years. We must win this election, period!
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:38 PM
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41. demanding all this special treatment and coddling because she is a woman flies in the face of the
Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 12:40 PM by dionysus
very point of the women's movement.

never before has the supporters of the losing candidate cried and wailed and demanded so much.

and she may have gotten 18 million votes but that doesn't mean she has 18 mnillion mindless automatons that can only be democrats if she is on the ticket.

they even gave the clintons half of the convention and it still won't stop the wailing and gnashing...
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:02 PM
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32. and your hero worship is doing just the oposite for you.
Again just because you like the idea doesnt mean people dont have legitimate reasons for not liking it.

Nor does it mean Hillary unites anything. Just the responses you get to this post on a democratic site should be enough to wake you up to the reality that there's a lot of people out there that dont want her anywhere near the white house.

Why does it have to be hate to be against the things she stands for? I hate what she has voted for. I kinda like her personally actually.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:39 AM
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12. This will just simply make life so much more easier.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:41 AM
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15. Hillary has had a couple months to show how much of a supporter she could be
Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 11:42 AM by BrentTaylor
and shes done what 2 speeches in that timeframe? She hasn't been a passionate advocate. You can't expect Obama to pick her
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:41 AM
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16. At least the Houses took Hillary off the pages yesterday. Now she's back. NYT frustrating example...
of Floridians not given the sign by her speech, lack of enthusiasm, calling him her opponent-still, their waiting for the VP. Mentioning how many times she's been there as proxy for others.

Hillary spent a lot of campaign time telling them he wasn't worthy, not ready, and, besides, she really won. No wonder.

We need to reinforce, and Hillary needs to, the pro-choice, anti social security, many more wars message of McCain. They'll stay home if not given a reason to vote.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:51 AM
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23. Oh, but that catharsis and healing and bullshit....that all takes time, right?
Load of crap, I say.

H and B Clinton have had their rest time and now could really have done a hell of a lot more.

I'll give them a pass until the convention is over....after that, I would hope that everyone holds their feet to the fire, so to speak.

:patriot:
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:42 AM
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17. Some HRC fans use her gender like McCain uses his POW status...
And when that happens it's just as disgusting.

Example: all the crap about sexism in the media, projecting their anger with the MSM toward the candidate.

They should all be embarrassed.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:52 AM
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25. Interesting analogy
Spot on too. Also similar because both candidates have implicitly encouraged their supporters to do this.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:57 AM
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28. We're not. I'm proud to be a Clinton supporter. (eom)
Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 11:58 AM by StevieM
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:00 PM
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31. Some, most definitely not all. I'm in love with the genuine Hill fans.
Though I'm clearly not one myself.

And the "hater" supporters make the sincere and real HRC supporters look really bad.

A few bad apples can truly mess things up.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:42 AM
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18. But can she dodge in bullet time?
"Two choices, Senator Clinton."

"You take the blue pill, and you're back in your Senate office. You believe whatever you want to believe."

"You take the red pill, become my Vice President, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:52 AM
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26. Give it a rest - K? nt.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:57 AM
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29. The V.P. spot was Hillary's to lose, and she lost it
She remade her political image in the middle of the primaries. Not an easy feat. She is gifted as a political chameleon able to change as needed on the fly. However, if she wanted to be V.P., then she should have remade her political image once agin. Here are just a couple of things that she should have done:

1. Reject PAC/lobbyist money. Obama announced the day after he became the presumptive nominee that the DNC would no longer accept PAC/lobbyist money. That they wouldn't fund his campaign. Can't exactly choose a V.P. that won't do the same. Is he going to tell people that he doesn't accept lobbyist money, but if you're a lobbyist feel free to donate to his campaign via his Vice President?

2. Gas tax holiday. Obama won that debate with the American people by about 30 points. Obama is leading on the gas prices issue somewhere between 11 and 21 points, depending on the polls. Clearly he has effectively convinced people that it is a gimmick meant to get politicians through the next election, not to provide a real solution. Obama needs surrogates on board with him on this issue.

3. Persuade the Obama camp that the attacks she launched against Obama during the primary season would not be an issue during the general election. Perhaps this was the most important thing that she could have done. She should have been proactive about this too. For example, what will her response be when the moderator asks her about the imaginary commander-in-chief threshold that Obama has not crossed? Hillary needs to prove that if she is V.P. her loyalty would be to Obama first and not to herself and Bill Clinton. The vetting process for Hillary should include an interview where they ask her how she would respond to these types of questions. If she wanted to be V.P., then she should have contacted Obama directly to talk about this issue and explain how she would make sure that he didn't need to worry about it. Can you imagine now, with the Russia-Georgia war, Hillary not having a firm answer to the commander-in-chief threshold question? It would seriously damage Obama.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:05 PM
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33. Oh please....she was never seriously considered for the job, and saying it was "hers to lose" is
just another opportunity to self-righteously and self-servingly declare that she lost it and "she did it all to herself."

And Obama lost Indiana, a state he predicted he would win, and declared a "tie-breaker," where the gas tax holiday was a big issue. He then lost in WV, KY and SD too. Not that I think the gas tax had too much to do with the results.

Steve
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:34 PM
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38. Where's an "I'm not bitter" button when you need it?
:rofl:

Seriously though, if she had remade her image in June like she so successfully did back in March, her chances at V.P. would be so much better. Biden has ran a clinic on how to make yourself a more viable V.P. choice:

1. Show that your negatives won't be too much of a factor. Clearly with Biden there was worry about him shooting off his mouth and not staying on message. He's been unusually controlled with his sparse sayings to the media. He's clearly sending a signal to Obama's camp that this perceived negative of his won't be too much of an issue if he is chosen.

The corollary for Hillary was the things she said during the primary season, notably the commander-in-chief threshold as well as the McCain has experience but Obama only has a speech thing. If I was Hillary's advisor and she told me to help her get the V.P. spot, I would have told her that she needed to be proactive and talk openly with Obama about these things and convince him that he need not worry about them.

2. Augment your positives. A great example was how he came to Obama's defense and said that he decided that Afghanistan hearings in the full committee. His stock shot up big time when he did that. Oh, and going to visit Georgia didn't hurt him either. :-)

Overall, Biden has probably ran the best campaign (so to speak) to get the V.P. spot than anybody else on the Democratic Party side. That's why everybody thinks that he's the most likely pick.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:58 AM
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30. You don't want another 4 - 8 years
of Republican rule, yet you want the most hated woman in America on the ticket. I am continually amazed at the bubble HC supporters seem to live in.
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:17 PM
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34. Obviously a lot of Obama Supporters, at least here on DU
still have a lot of pent up resentment toward Hillary. I think they just can't get over the fact that the primaries were, you know, competitive and that Hillary was actually trying to defeat Obama. I think they think somehow she should have conceded defeat much earlier and gotten on board the Obama train.

They're still caught up in the primaries. Time to get over it folks. Time to unite, come together, for the sake of our party and our country.

Let's hope Obama is bigger than his supporters -- some of whom are kinda small minded and politically immature.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:46 PM
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43. you have got to be fucking kidding me...
1) you need to accept the fact that she lost...
2) there are not enough holdouts to bully Obama into picking her...
3) see 1 & 2 above...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:53 PM
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45. What a piece of work you are
You seem blinded by hatred. Take a deep breath, then exhale calmly. Slow your system down. And think. We want to WIN. We want to win with a united democratic party. Chant "I will do what it takes to win. I will do what it takes to win."

Then if, and when, Obama chooses Hillary -- becausewell, he wants to win too -- you'll be better prepared to deal with the shock.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 01:14 PM
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47. hatred hatred hatred hatred hatred, there is no hatred. you guys really don't get it do you?
also, your assertion she is needed to win is just an opinion, not a fact.

:eyes:
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 01:15 PM
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49. Stage 3 is bargaining
They're over halfway through the grieving process. :rofl:
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 01:15 PM
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48. It's not a co-presidency
From "the buck stops here" to "I am the decider", every President has made it clear that there is only one person in charge, and that's the President. Tom Ridge said it best on CNN. At the end of the day, the Vice President is just another private citizen giving advice to the President. It is not a co-Presidency and the V.P. spot is not a consolation prize. People need to realize that the V.P.'s job is to do whatever the President tells them to do because the V.P. has very little inherent power and does the work delegated to them by the President. President of the Senate might sound like a lofty title, but in practice it means very little. Unless you're Cheney and you want to use it to claim that you're not part of the Executive Branch. :rofl:

What our country doesn't need is another situation like the Cuban Missile Crisis. JFK and LBJ weren't close, so during that entire crisis it was JFK and RFK working together to fix it. That's right, the President bypassed all others and went to his Attorney General to solve a nuclear standoff. Can you imagine Bush bypassing Condi and Cheney on a nuclear standoff issue? Unbelievable. That's why it's important for the President to choose who he wants as V.P., who he wants in his cabinet, and not to have it forced on him, because that will affect how they govern together.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:20 PM
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35. When has putting a closed government Democrat EVER pushed progressive agenda FORWARD?
Maybe you should think about that and get off your personality cult merrygoround.
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:22 PM
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36. I'm not on a personality cult merry go round
Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 12:23 PM by kennetha
If I were, I wouldn't be willing to vote for Obama. I'd be a PUMA. So where'd you get that accusation?

Why would making HRC VP bring about "closed government?" That's a pretty astounding statement. Care to explain?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:30 PM
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37. No it isn't. When Bill was in office he sided with protecting the secrecy and privilege of GHWBush
Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 12:46 PM by blm
on every issue that called for Bill's cooperation.

You do know that there were serious and outstanding matters that Bill could have shown some Oval Office cooperation re IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning operations, don't you?

Astounding thing to say? Not to those who paid attention. Here's what the reporter who helped BREAK many IranContra stories, had to say.....


And considering he is the reporter who broke most of the IranContra stories, he knows more than anyone how important it was to have ALL the documents released to the CITIZENS of this country. Imagine if there was NO 9-11, folks - - it's THAT SERIOUS.


Hey, Democrats, the Truth Matters!
By Robert Parry
May 11, 2006

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, “these centrist Democrats … warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.”

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its “non-interventionist left” wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

“Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party for what we would do if we get back into office,” said pollster Jeremy Rosner, calling such an approach backward-looking.

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized.

‘Politicized’ CIA
After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush “politicization” of the CIA’s analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a President’s desires.

Instead, in another accommodating gesture, Clinton gave the CIA director’s job to right-wing Democrat, James Woolsey, who had close ties to the Reagan-Bush administration and especially to its neoconservatives.

One senior Democrat told me Clinton picked Woolsey as a reward to the neocon-leaning editors of the New Republic for backing Clinton in Election 1992.

“I told that the New Republic hadn’t brought them enough votes to win a single precinct,” the senior Democrat said. “But they kept saying that they owed this to the editors of the New Republic.”

During his tenure at the CIA, Woolsey did next to nothing to address the CIA’s “politicization” issue, intelligence analysts said. Woolsey also never gained Clinton’s confidence and – after several CIA scandals – was out of the job by January 1995.

At the time of that White House chat with Stuart Sender, Clinton thought that his see-no-evil approach toward the Reagan-Bush era would give him an edge in fulfilling his campaign promise to “focus like a laser beam” on the economy.

He was taking on other major domestic challenges, too, like cutting the federal deficit and pushing a national health insurance plan developed by First Lady Hillary Clinton.

So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasn’t on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided,” Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. “President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.”

Unexpected Results
Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton – and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats – view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clinton’s folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:35 PM
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39. Some people are tired of the Hillary campaign for V.P.
that started when she said that she hadn't "made any decisions yet".
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:37 PM
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40. Risk vs. return
She might well bring some Reagan Democrats back to the fold. She'd be effective as attack dog and in debates. That's the return.
Then there's Clinton baggage, Clinton drama, and energizing the right (and some independents) with Clinton hate. That's the risk.

I think there's not much she can do to mitigate the risk. Other candidates have less risk, and can be good in debates. She can be an effective attack dog and help bring as many as supporters as possible back into the fold without being VP. If the problem is that she'll only do it if she is VP, that's just blackmailing the party instead of being loyal to the party. I'm sorry to say, I think the best path for the party and the noblest path for her is to just be as good an Obama surrogate as possible and leave VP to someone else.
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Arnold Judas Rimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:48 PM
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44. Thank the Good Lord Jesus Christ we will never see threads like this after today
Just another hour or two, I reckon........
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:57 PM
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46. We are united. Hillary is not the one and never will be the one.
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 01:27 PM
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50. Takes two sides to unite
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