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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:19 PM
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Toby Keith Endorses Obama (Huh?)
Toby Keith praises Obama

By RYAN PEARSON – 1 hour ago

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Barack Obama is getting praise from Nashville, courtesy of one big, patriotic country star.

Toby Keith, perhaps best known to non-country audiences for his post-Sept. 11 song "Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue," says he's a Democrat, and was impressed by the senator from Illinois.

Keith has said in the past that the 2002 song — which included lines aimed at the Taliban like "we lit up your world like the Fourth of July" — was more patriotic than pro-war.

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"So as far as leadership and patriotism goes, I think it's really important that those things have to take place. And I think he's the best Democratic candidate we've had since Bill Clinton. And that's coming from a Democrat."

more at:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jRR9_pyEtgHI26tHSsFK_upDc6UAD92LJ6EG0
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:21 PM
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1. Isn't he the guy who said Barack was trying to talk like a white guy?
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:21 PM
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2. Yes, but he probably thought that was a compliment. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:26 PM
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13. Now that's
funny:D
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:33 PM
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19. Yes - and he's changing his tune now because he knows Obama will win.
He also does the infantile thing all egotistical losers do when they make the point that is what the past Democrats who were wrong implying that he voted for Bush ONLY because Gore and Kerry were bad. BULLSHIT. He must not know one thing about this country or its history when he pulls a tactic like that. he can't admit he was SNOWED by rhetoric and LIES.
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:02 AM
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85. well, at least he learned his lesson. - nt
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:38 PM
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47. I thought that was Nader ...
Bake
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:06 PM
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57. Nader and Toby Keith think alike, sad isn't it?...n/t
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:28 PM
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63. One of many.
I think a lot of white people who have never really considered the issue before say stuff like that, maybe thinking it's a compliment. I don't know what Keith was thinking because i never saw the full context of the statement, but even Biden made his dumb-ass "Clean and articulate" comment. And even a lot of DUers didn't understand what he had said wrong.

Obama is making some people see race and society in ways they've never had to look at it before. Some people who have never had a malicious thought in their lives are still demonstrating racial assumptions that are quite awkward, even insulting, because they've just not had to deal with an actual integrated society before.

At least Keith is on the good side now. Welcome his vote, and more importantly what it says about the attitudes of rural voters, even if he isn't all the way on our side yet. Or at least, that's my opinion, until I get information to prove it wrong. :)
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 10:56 AM
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95. Keith is not on the good side.
He is ignorant. He may say he is a Democrat because his Daddy may have been or something. In the article he says how glad he is that Obama went to Afghanistan so that he could learn that America had to kick some terrist butt. He's glad that Obama has come around to mccain's level of awareness of the threat to America.

He hasn't grown. He is a backward product of the country music industry, a monkey who performs on cue and to the tune that the red necks want.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:22 PM
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3. Not that we can do anything about it...
but I really don't want the endorsement of anyone with an IQ of 80 or less.

Maybe he will do a duet with the Dixie Chicks at the Convention.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 02:56 PM
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108. I'll take the endorsement of someone with a low IQ
if he's got a whole lot of adoring, voting fans. Thanks for the help Toby.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:22 PM
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4. Merely following the tide.
If it looked like holding your breath was going to be the new "thing", he would suddenly be much more quiet.
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:22 PM
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5. i thought he would!!!!
i saw him on glen beck and it seemed to me he was trying to say that without hurting glen beck (yuk)
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:22 PM
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6. Yep - I have heard that about Toby Keith before.
That he is a Dem. I know, he doesn't seem like it at all.

He is friends with Willie Nelson.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:28 PM
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68. ... check his donations.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:00 AM
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97. He's a Dem like
liebermann's a Dem. He gives his money to the rebublicans. He performs his monkey act to appeal to red neck bigots and jingoists. Willie has been a disappointment to me. he had the old maverick meme going for him, but he stayed in his hole and hushed up when defending the DC might have meant he would lose some money. Willie has sold out.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:23 PM
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7. I still despise Toby Keith n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:23 PM
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8. Well I'll be damned!
What do I do now?

Smelling salts please!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:31 PM
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72. No... a grain of salt. I'll believe him when he donates.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:24 PM
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9. w...t...f
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:24 PM
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10. Damn.....We had about 200 reply thread bashing this guy. We all have to open mouth insert foot
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 05:25 PM by BrentTaylor
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:28 PM
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14. Not till he apologizes to Natalie Maines, I don't.
Glad he's at least not so stupid that he'd support McCain, but that doesn't redeem very much.
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trapper914 Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:14 PM
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30. Maybe he would...
...if Natalie Maines apologized first. If you remember, Natalie fired the first volley when she trashed "Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue" in an interview. He trashed her songwriting ability in response.

I'm a big fan of the Dixie Chicks and I like a lot of Toby's stuff too. Their little "feud" is kind of silly.

Sure, "Courtesy..." is jingoistic, but in the days following 9/11, I can't say that I wouldn't have wanted to see a can of "whoop ass" opened on those responsible. Beyond that song, Toby's been very clear that his support goes to those serving...not necessarily those who sent them there.

Toby, by the way, has always been, in his words, a "blue dog Democrat." Songs like "Courtesy" and "American Soldier" make listeners think he's a Repub only because Progressives have allowed the Repubs to co-opt patriotism in the same way they co-opted religion/family values.

Toby has also offered to help promote one of Al Gore's pet projects.

By the way, Tim McGraw is another hillbilly singer who is surprisingly progressive.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:17 PM
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31. Let's look at the whole story, shall we?
Maines' criticism of his song was spot-on as an example of dangerous jingoism--she should NOT apologize for that. But here's what else went down, and note what Keith did at his concerts. THAT needs an apology:

Feud with Toby Keith
Maines had a public feud with fellow country music star Toby Keith over the 2002 chart-topping country hit "Courtesy of the Red, White, & Blue", as well as a comment Maines made about U.S. President George W. Bush during a March 2003 Dixie Chicks concert.

Maines publicly criticized Keith's song "Courtesy of the Red, White, & Blue" by saying, "I hate it. It's ignorant, and it makes country music sound ignorant. It targets an entire culture - and not just the bad people who did bad things. You've got to have some tact. Anybody can write, 'We'll put a boot in your ass' ... "<17> Keith responded by belittling Maines' songwriting skills: "I'll bury her. She has never written anything that has been a hit..."<18> and "That's what I do -- I write songs..."<19> Keith further stated, "...she said anyone can write 'We'll put a boot in your ass', but, you know ... she didn't."<20>

After Maines commented at a March 2003 Dixie Chicks concert that the Chicks didn't want the Iraq War and were ashamed President Bush was from Texas, Keith's 2003 "Shock'n Y'all" tour began displaying a backdrop showing a doctored photo of Maines with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.<21> Shortly thereafter, on May 21, 2003, Maines wore a t-shirt with the acronym "F.U.T.K." written on the front while performing for the Academy of Country Music Awards broadcast.<21> The Dixie Chicks website stated that the acronym stood for "Freedom, Understanding, Truth and Knowledge."<22> Some saw it as a veiled insult directed at Keith.<21>

In August 2003, Keith publicly declared that he was done feuding with Maines, explaining, "You know, a best friend of mine ... lost a two-year-old daughter to cancer ... I saw ... a picture of me and Natalie and it said, 'Fight to the Death' or something. It seemed so insignificant. I said, 'Enough is enough'."<23>

In the 2006 documentary Dixie Chicks: Shut Up and Sing, Maines confirmed that the F.U.T.K. shirt was, in fact, a shot at Keith in response to his criticism of her; the acronym stood for "Fuck You Toby Keith".<15> As of January 2007, Keith continues to refuse to say Maines' name and argues that the doctored photo was intended to express his feeling that Maines' criticism was tyrannical and a dictator-like attempt to squelch Keith's free speech.<24>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Maines#Feud_with_Toby_Keith
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trapper914 Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:25 AM
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42. As I said earlier...
...the feud was pretty silly.

I disagree with Toby's decision to try to tie Natalie to Saddam Hussein. He was piling on with right wingers with that decision and should've left well enough alone.

I also disagree with Natalie's assessment that "Courtesy..." targets an entire culture. It seems very clear to me that it's about "getting even" with those who hit us...not Saddam...not civilians. At least that's what I've always gotten out of the song.

My background:

20 years in country radio (I took heat for NOT boycotting the Chicks)
2 years in talk radio (a progressive in a red state during the run up to the war...needless to say, I wasn't very popular!)
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:15 AM
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45. I have radio background, too. So what?
DJ and promotions director in country radio in Texas.

Her criticism was legitimate (because that song DOES play to ignorant jingoism). His decision to photoshop Natalie and Saddam and backdrop his concerts with it was WAY out of line. In fact, his decision to do that is directly connected to that song, because it was yet one more manipulation of the "Amurrica's always right!" crowd. It's just more exploitation of the same by Keith. Natalie was 100% right.

I stand by my previous point that Keith is the greater transgressor here.
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trapper914 Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:25 PM
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66. Didn't mean to get your hackles up...
...I was qualifying my background lest someone thinks me a troll.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:12 PM
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62. ONCE AGAIN...good old Toby was happy to sit back silently,
watching the money roll in for sales of his dopey-ass "CRWB" as the pathetic knuckle-draggers adopted it as a new anthem of theirs to accompany the sounds of bombs and missiles raining down upon thousands of innocent Iraqi people that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11!!!

He didn't give a flying rat's ass that the song was turning into a rallying cry against all of the "filthy towel-heads" and "sand &%#*ers", and was more than happy to rich off of the most vile and depraved sentiments of closed-minded bigots...sorry - no forgiveness here.
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Arnold Judas Rimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:16 PM
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38. "I can't say that I wouldn't have wanted to see a can of whoop ass opened on those responsible"
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 08:17 PM by Arnold Judas Rimmer
Guess that depends on whom you believe was responsible. Ultimately, it was the Bush Crime Family, no matter what version of the story you choose to believe.

Would Toby ever sing a song about putting a boot in Chimpy's ass? Or Poppy's?
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:45 AM
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43. The scumbag
put a picture behind him on stage of the Dixie Chicks with Hussein-screw him and you watch he will find some asinine reason to NOT cast his vote for Obama...I've been listening to Taking The Long Way a lot lately and thinking how they were casualties of the cultural war that Toby was all too quick to glom onto
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:58 PM
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51. I am with you... This toad has a lot of splainin to do. FUTK!
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:30 PM
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16. Bullshit. He's the one that needs to apologize.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:28 PM
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69. The hell we do. I don't believe this guy. Actions not words...
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:03 AM
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98. If Lieberman said he was a
Democrat, would you apologize for bashing him. Words are just words. Someone gives him words to say or sing and he does it. He is a backward, ignorant jerk who still needs to apologize for making millions selling misogyny, war, and poor life choices.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:25 PM
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11. Oh shut the hell up Toby Keith
Just. Shut. Up.


x(
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:29 PM
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:06 PM
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37. Last time I checked I still lived in the United States and could speak my mind.
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 08:12 PM by DesertedRose
Good Lord. Looking at this thread I'm not alone in that sentiment, either. You gonna tell them to all shut up too?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:48 AM
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44. (sigh) I guess you don't need a diploma to act like an asshole.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:07 PM
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64. Why, does Toby Keith not have a diploma?
Why do you assume that the person you responded to doesn't have a diploma?

Do you seriously think that all this hostility towards Toby Keith just sprang up overnight?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:26 PM
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12. So The Dixie Chicks and
toby can agree on something.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:31 PM
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17. Okay, but he's still a pig, IMO n/t
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:31 PM
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18. If T. Boone Pickens, Toby Keith and Chuck Hagel all endorse Obama...
I won't complain.

Doesn't mean I have to like them.
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:38 PM
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20. Hang on a Sec....wasn't this..didn't he...hmmmm, thought I heard
McCain's name in unison with Toby Keith...??? boy am I glad that's not true...it is, isn't it?? not so sure of anything at this point, any longer....wb
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:44 PM
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21. Well then, maybe I'll take back all that stuff I said about him... nt
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:47 PM
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22. I'm surprised, but good for him
Maybe it will sway a few country music fans' minds.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:49 PM
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23. Toby Keith's endorsement is definitely a big one and I'm serious
He has a whole different audience by and large - more rural and traditional
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:52 PM
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24. Well, he said some nice things about Obama, but did not specifically endorse him.
Maybe TK's manager told him to not be such a *complete* asshat.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:56 PM
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25. I just saw the sun slowly setting in the east..............
Can this be true?
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:56 PM
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26. i would hope this is correct...and that he shows some public support of Obama.
...and for the naysayers among us (and i'm not particularly a fan of toby keith)...i ask this:

how many votes can you help Obama get this November? You, yourself, by voicing your support?

...like i said, i hope this info is correct...and we are not in a position to be 'beyond and above' when someone who can really help is on our side...

and, as always...if he ain't...screw him...
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tannybogus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:06 PM
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27. Toby Keith can KMA!
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 06:10 PM by tannybogus
He bashed Natalie Maines and the Dixie Chicks every way he could. He used their picture in a backdrop of his shows to make fun of them. They were banned by Clear Channel because Toby and fans heads almost exploded. I don't want his music banned. He can play hogswallow till the cows come home, but I won't scream at someone to ban him. He didn't have the balls to step up and say anything. He just joined right in. Those are some good old Democratic and American values. I have serious doubts that Toby can convert his fans and sway them to vote for Obama. His fans will probably just assume he was in the sun too long, and that it will pass. I am working and voicing my support every way I can. I am drawing the line at Toby Keith. That one I cannot swallow!
:rant:
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:07 PM
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28. Good deal!
It's a fine endorsement from the red allover world of country music. My attitude is to not look a gift horse in the mouth... as they used to say.

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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:10 PM
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29. he's a swing voter
That's politics. I hope it's true.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:32 PM
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73. He needs to be a swing DONATOR.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:22 PM
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32. didn't he give the Dixie Chicks
hell? Or was that someone else?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:23 PM
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33. Obama should strongly denounce and reject this endorsement.
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Hubert H. Hubert Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 07:00 PM
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34. Fuck off, Toby.
It's the Merkin way.

:patriot:
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 07:26 PM
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35. Toby J. (Jerkoff) Keith
is still a 2000 VP candidate ...
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 07:32 PM
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36. THAT JUDAS. He had pledged his support to College Colors Day
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Arnold Judas Rimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:19 PM
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39. Hey, can we stop abusing the name "Judas" already?
I find that very offensive. :(
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:20 PM
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40. Yay!!! n/t.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:31 PM
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71. Until he coughs up $2K for Obama and another $2K for the DNC
I won't be cheering shit. Cause I don't believe his johnny-come-lately talk.

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Toby_Keith.php
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:20 PM
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41. Well wang dang doodle...
It's good to catch Toby in a sober moment.

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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:17 AM
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46. He still sucks.
:patriot:
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:47 PM
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48. What totally cracks me up is this:
All the people in this thread trashing TK because he was mean to Natalie and the Dixie Chicks -- most of them had probably never heard of the Dixie Chicks, nor listened to a single country record, until the "feud" thing blew up. But now they're experts (LOL) and on a first-name basis with Natalie Maines.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Bake
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:04 PM
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53. mean to the dixie chicks? are you kiding?
This fool was one of the biggest shrub cheerleaders out there reinforcing the kick ass fuck the french crap we put up with for the last 5 years and that has brought us to the sorry state on the world stage we find ourselves in.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #48
54. I wasnt, I was a big country fan for most of my life until all that stuff happened
I am no longer a country fan.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #48
58. Aaaaaaaand, you would be mistaken.
Fan from the first album onward. And, I used to be a DJ in country radio, so yeah, I know my country music. Don't know Natalie personally, but I certainly know her music, and am quite aware of the details of the Natalie/TK feud.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 04:33 PM
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77. Note that I said "most." That obviously doesn't include you.
:hi:

Whether anyone likes or dislikes TK is really of no interest to me. I like some of his stuff, and dislike some. I just don't apply the broad brush to him.

Bake
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tannybogus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #48
89. I'm not on a first name basis with any of them.
But I have liked them since their first album.
BTW Maines has always been an agitator. When she was in high school in Texas,
it always bugged her that the hispanic kids would get into trouble if they cut
class, but nobody else did. She made it a point to cut class every chance she got
and ask the administrators about it. Her father siad she was born with her
middle finger out.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:54 PM
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49. I won't bash anyone for supporting Obama
I'm glad Keith is supporting Obama. Keith has a following of people who may give Obama a second look after this announcement. This is going to be a very close election and we need all the supporters we can get.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:56 PM
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50. Talk about finger in the wind .... FTK and never forget it!
I stand with the chicks on this one.. They must be laughing their asses off right now hearing this from this toady.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:04 PM
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52. he is spineless, he was campaigning for Bush in 2004
and now when the Dems seem to be the flavor of the month hes a Democrat.

Whatever.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. what a suprise ehh? Another loud mouth bully with no balls in the end
he must think we are as stupid as he is.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:09 PM
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60. It's hip to endorse Obama these days I guess..
you don't want to be caught hanging with some has-been white haired old codger who likes ABBA.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:05 PM
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56. He is the poster child for the Zogby poll..
thanks but we don't need that kind of "support" Tobes.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:07 PM
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59. Uh Oh. What will Glenn Beck say?
Beck was creaming in his jeans over Keith a couple weeks ago.

tsk tsk tsk
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:12 PM
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61. No surprise. He and Bill Richardson are good friends.
He backed Bush in 04, so he's not the best of Democrats, but he's better than Lieberman, I guess.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:33 PM
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74. Does Lieberman donate to the RNC? And Bush?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:35 AM
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83. Yeah... Point being?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 09:04 AM
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88. Lieberman donates to the RNC? And to Bush?
Really?

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #88
91. Time, endorsements, speeches at the convention. Yeah. nt.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 10:13 AM
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92. I'm talking MONEY... the kind Toby sends to the RNC and Bush. (nt)
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 10:48 AM
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94. Don't know. But the time and endorsements have been more valuable than the two monetary donations
Keith gave. Again, what's your point? Keith is a Democrat. Not a good Democrat, but better than Lieberman. He's endorsed Obama, Lieberman is backing McCain. Toby campaigned for the Democratic governor of Oklahoma, and for Bill Richardson. If you're trying to say that Lieberman is a better Democrat, I don't agree. But you won't say what you are trying to say, so I can't tell if I agree or disagree.

And I don't know if Lieberman has given money to Bush or other Republicans. If he has a PAC, he might have donated through that. Either way, the time and influence he's donated have been worth a lot more than Keith's two donations.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 10:59 AM
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96. My point is that he's a liar and people who are lapping it up are suckers.
Hell, by accounts here he still hadn't even made up his mind as of his Colbert apperance... doubt I have to explain to you what I think was his real motivation for coming to this decision, finally.

But if I need to, just say the word...



Dunno why you're fixated on Lieberman. :wtf:

We've known he's as good as repuke for years... so... whatever.



As for Toby Keith's "influence"... :rofl:

The mouth-breathers that glommed on to his "boot in your ass" schtick back in the day aren't going to magically decide to become Dems just cause this dumbass makes political decisions based on how many CDs he can sell... the very idea is beyond laughable. They'll just start burning his CD's next.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:16 AM
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100. What's he lying about?
I'm not trying to be argumentive, I really just don't know what you are going off about.

A lot of Democrats, especially southern conservative Democrats, crossed to the dark side under Bush. And under Reagan. My mom voted for Reagan, and is a big Obama supporter. I still don't get what you are calling him a liar over, or what you are saying. Are you saying he's not really endorsing Obama, he's just saying he is? Are you saying he's never been a Democrat and that he isn't friends with Bill Richardson? What?

As for Lieberman, I mentioned him in passing in one post, and you centered your response around him, so it isn't me fixating on him.

As for "mouth breathers"--sorry, I just don't think like that, maybe because I grew up rural and southern and often wind up the butt of those bigoted slurs. A lot of people bought Bush's lies. Toby Keith wrote a couple of songs. The "boot" song was a tribute to his father--a veteran who had just died--as much as a complaint about 9-11. A lot of people of both parties got fired up over 9-11. Willie Nelson recorded one of those "patriotic" songs with Toby Keith. So is Willie "lying," and if so, about what?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:28 AM
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101. He's lying about being a Dem.
Crossing to the dark side with words is one thing, and if it was only that he did I might believe him... I don't care if he has a friend who's a Dem and campaigned for him... he should have given money, too.

With greedy rich fuckers like him, that's how you can tell the BS from the truth... money.

BTW, I grew up rural and Southern too... but I don't cut anyone slack for saying one thing and doing another.

His 'endorsement' comes after saying he hadn't even decided a couple weeks ago. Idiotic that it's even being discussed here. All he wants is $$$ and attention.

As for Willie - he donates to DEMS.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:10 PM
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102. Why would he lie about being a Democrat when most of his audience is Republican?
:shrug: If anything, he'd lie the other way.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #102
103. You are aware that fewer people identify as repukes lately, right?
And more people are flocking to the Dem side?

So no... he wouldn't. He's not following his audience if his audience is dwindling... he's going where the numbers are.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:31 PM
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105. Whatever. His audience is Republican, and he will lose money for backing Obama.
But you seem to feel elections are about hate instead of inclusion, so hate and be happy. That's just not me.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:33 PM
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106. No, he's go a whole new equally gullible audience now.
And yeah... I hate shameless liars and opportunists. Sue me.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:55 PM
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107. Most people are shameless liars. I've given up holding them to standards
that no one can meet.

As for Keith, the very few new fans he might pick up over endorsing Obama will be easily outnumbered by people upset with him. His fans are Republican, pro-war, pro-McCain, and anti-everything not like them. I've lived in that close-minded, hate-filled environment my whole life, which is why I dislike that attitude when I see it anywhere, even here. He's not going to win any new fans, and he knows it. His only possible motive is to sway some of his fans to Obama's side.

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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:20 PM
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65. Maybe he changed his mind since the start of the war
I think a lot of people who supported the Iraq war wholeheartedly at the first must have changed their minds considering how unpopular the war and Bush are now.

I am not a TK fan in the least (not even a country music fan) but I do believe in redemption and that our Democratic party can include all kinds of people. If he is sincere, and being honest, then good for him.

Plus, can you imagine how this is going to play with conservative country music fans? He doesn't have anything to gain with them by saying he is a Dem and likes Obama.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:29 PM
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70. He donated the max in 03 and 06. If he hated the war, he had a funny way of showing it.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 04:17 PM
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75. I can't figure how why he said it then
Thanks for the link, redqueen. I don't know much about the guy, because I don't follow country music. All I know about him is the horrible way he acted to the Dixie Chicks (who are totally good people).

What he has to gain with his fans by saying these things? I don't know. It's kind of weird. I always really try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Maybe this time I shouldn't have. If he is a Dem, he sure wasn't one in 2003 and 2006 when he donated to George Bush and the Rethugs then. Weird. A Dem giving to Rethugs-who does he think he is? Joe Lieberman? :shrug:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 04:46 PM
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78. He's a windsock... wants to be on the winning side, that's all.
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 04:46 PM by redqueen
He knows lots of independents and even republicans are supporting Obama, and just wants to be 'in with the in crowd'.

Deeesgusting. x(
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 06:28 PM
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82. He didn't strike me as the type to be like that
But I guess appearances are deceiving. I'm a sucker for a good redemption story.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:26 PM
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67. If he's a Dem why did he donate to the GOP?
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 03:29 PM by redqueen
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 04:28 PM
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76. Hmmmmm
I wonder what Keith's endorsement of Obama will do to his relationship w/ guys like Ted Nugent?



I've got to say, I'll recognize Keith as a true-blue Democrat once I see him in an Obama campaign ad, or MoveOn, or even People For the American Way.

More power to Keith and any country singer who has the nads to ignore the conservative lies and go w/ a party who has his fans best interests at heart.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 04:46 PM
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79. He's a Democrat. He just waved a flag around to sell a song or two.
A lot of people were hornswaggled by the Bushes. That can't be the sole litmus test for who you like, friends.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 04:47 PM
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80. Uh no... his actions speak louder than his words:
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 04:52 PM
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81. If he can convince his fans to vote for Obama, I'll take it
I'm no fan of his, but perhaps he can turn some folks away from the dark side.
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elmoose Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:06 AM
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84. wow
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:31 AM
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86. If he contributes $2300 to Obama's GE campaign, all is forgiven.
Turn the page, I say, as long as he puts his money where his mouth is.

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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:47 AM
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87. He's a douche but he might influence some of the other douches.
So this is not a bad thing to have happen.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 10:01 AM
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90. He had said on Colbert recently that he'd get around to making a decision.
I'm not all that impressed by anyone who's taken this long to make up his or her mind.
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Chloroplast Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 10:36 AM
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93. I would have sworn that Keith was a Democrat. Conservative but a Democrat.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:05 AM
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99. He's just trying to sell CD's.
He sees the writing on the wall... and wants to be on the "winning" side to help his own wallet.

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Toby_Keith.php
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:17 PM
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104. Is he going to give McCain a "boot up his ass"? That's the 'Murikin way.
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