Lumpy McSame is no Baptist; He's never been baptized. 15 years of hypocrisy.

[lonestarnot]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aHH18X6Vsqzk&refer=home

"April 25 (Bloomberg) -- John McCain's pastor ends his sermons with an altar call, beckoning any stirred souls to the front of his 3,500-seat``worship center'' to publicly dedicate their lives to Jesus Christ. In McCain's 15 years of attending Dan Yeary's North Phoenix Baptist Church, the pastor says, the Arizona senator has never made that walk.

"... he has never undergone the adult baptism that membership requires."


"In McCain's 15 years of attending Dan Yeary's North Phoenix Baptist Church, the pastor says, the Arizona senator has never made that walk."

[cliffordu]

1. Sad, sad man. Going to roast his flabby, wrinkled ass in hell for all eternity...

[lonestarnot]

3. dupe

[lonestarnot]

4. I'm not his judge for dat, but I would like to see what he says about it when the day comes.

Damn I'm bad. }(

[opihimoimoi]

6. McCrash is no Christian...he violates Gods laws willingly and intentionally..He LIES

Cheats and Steals...

He is going to a place where there are 144000 JWs

[lonestarnot]

12. And he doesn't give one crap about the poor or the earth they live on!

[opihimoimoi]

28. He don realize we got feelings too

[lonestarnot]

30. He needs to just go shit in his hat.

[ClayZ]

63. LOL

:rofl:

K & R

[C_U_L8R]

2. What do you call an unbaptized baptist ??

i know there's a punchline in here somewhere.. anyone?

[lonestarnot]

5. a badtist?

:P

[opihimoimoi]

7. 2 beers for the word of the day

:beer: :beer:

[lonestarnot]

8. I'll drink to that!

:toast: :beer: :beer: :beer:

[opihimoimoi]

9. LOL.....

:toast:

[lonestarnot]

10. how bout 1 for each year of hypocrisy?

:toast: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

[opihimoimoi]

26. I cannot compete in a beerathon...LOL

Maybe a Toastathon...?

:toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer:

:toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer:

:bounce: :golf: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer: :toast: :beer:

[lonestarnot]

36. eweee, you outdid me while I was stuffing my face.

And even threw in a round of golf!

[opihimoimoi]

46. Stuffing faces not allowed in this comp....Only I can stuph face

Come, we go golf....

[lonestarnot]

55. golf

ackety boring!

[opihimoimoi]

56. Boring is not allowed....only Happy is permitted

Come, we go help Obama kick ass

[annabanana]

every other kind of Christian?

You know... the kind that baptize babies and let it go at that....

[lonestarnot]

17. You miss the point that he claims a 15 year membership in a mega baptist church.

[pnwmom]

27. What church baptizes babies and lets "it go after that"? n/t

[Mabus]

68. the anti-christ?

Maybe he's afraid he'll melt if water touches him.

[boppers]

11. "the senator -- who was christened an Episcopalian..."

Isn't christening baptism? (I'm not familiar with what Episcopalians believe...)

Or it it that Baptists don't recognize childhood Episcopalian christenings the same way as adult baptisms?

(Jeez, how many different ways *does* somebody have to get "baptized" to be a "Christian" these days?)

Myself, I was baptized at 8, but it was as a Mormon, so I guess a bunch of churches might want some more action out of me...

[annabanana]

14. The Nicean Creed

"acknowledges one baptism for the remission of sins"

The Nicene Creed (pronounced /ˈnaɪsiːn/) is an ecumenical Christian statement of faith accepted in the Eastern Orthodox Church, Assyrian Church of the East, Oriental Orthodox churches, the Roman Catholic Church, the Lutheran Church, the Anglican Communion, and almost all branches of Protestantism, including the Reformed churches, the Presbyterian Church, and the Methodist Church.

[boppers]

22. You mean Constantinople, or Nicene-Constantinople...

The original Nicene creed had no such text.

Compare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed#Comparison_between_creed_of_325_and_creed_of_381

(Oh, and Arians are straight out, for other reasons... the whole trinity thang).

What I'm guessing this is about is earlier christians (and jews, like Jesus Christ), who would "baptize" themselves regularly (after every sin, even). Such a behavior would seem odd to non-jewish converts (much as regular confession seems odd to many protestants).

Considering some of the Mandaeans influence on the point, and purpose, of baptism, I'm kind of intrigued by the hybrid of "one baptism" and "using baptism for cleansing of sin" debates, especially as it has come own over the ages...

Getting back to the point, though isn't the preacher kind of saying "he wasn't baptized right, by my sect, so it must not count"?

[pnwmom]

24. But the Baptist church doesn't recognize infant baptisms performed

in other Christian churches.

[DemBones DemBones]

49. I'm not sure Baptists recognize adult baptisms not

performed by a Baptist preacher.

And I know Baptists don't recognize each other at the liquor store. :evilgrin:

[pnwmom]

57. LOL! n/t

[DURHAM D]

15. Christening does equal baptism in Episcopal faith.

The form of Baptisam is often called sprinkling.

Some Baptist churches and even some Southern Baptist churches apparently recognize early (baby or pre-adult) baptism. As I understand it, the rub comes in the born-again requirements (and immersion baptism) required by some of the more conservative fundamentalist, evangelical and pentecostal faiths. Main stream faiths (Methodists, Presbyterians, etc)don't require this second baptism or use immersion baptism.

[lonestarnot]

18. Baptists believe in a total immersion,

baptism in which the whole body of the person is submerged in the water.

[pnwmom]

23. Baptists don't recognize infant baptisms.

To be a full member of the Baptist church, McCain would need to have an immersion baptism as an adult.

[DURHAM D]

29. I was told by a close friend who is a former Southern Baptist minister -

that some Baptist churches do allow membership without a new baptism.

[lonestarnot]

34. That is apparently so, as it has happened with McSame for 15 years.

But with that logic, he could be a Hindu, a Muslim, a Morman, a Catholic, a whatever, or most noteably a nothing claiming to be a something.

[DURHAM D]

35. I suppose you think you are funny... eom

[lonestarnot]

37. What in the fuck are you talking about?

Is truth getting under your skin or just rubbing the surface of it the wrong way?

[DURHAM D]

39. Done with you - you can't read and/or comprehend. eom

[lonestarnot]

42. Woohoo! IGNORE! LOL

wooooooooooooooo. :7

[DemBones DemBones]

50. He doesn't say he is a Baptist, he says he attends a Baptist church,

See the difference? He started attending a Baptist church after marrying Cindy so I would think she is a dyed in the wool Baptist.

McCain is a baptized Episcopalian and I don't blame him for
not letting them baptize him again. Other churches don't tell Baptists they have to be re-baptized.

[pnwmom]

59. I thought I heard him on the forum say that he is a Baptist. n/t

[pnwmom]

58. Perhaps so, but the pastor of McCain's church says that he is NOT a full

member because he hasn't had an adult baptism.

[DURHAM D]

13. This is real simple -

McCain was baptized as a baby. He is Episcopalian.

He has not decided to join the Baptist church. Therefore, he does not need to be dunked.

BTW - has Obama been baptized? Has he officially joined a church? What church (if any) currently has his membership letter? Do you know what any of this means?

[lonestarnot]

19. A letter is like a membership certificate. Lumpy claims membership at a Baptist Church.

Did you read the link?

[DURHAM D]

31. Did you? Says right there that he is not a member.

And don't be confused by the fact he calls the Pastor - his Pastor. People can have dozens, hundreds of pastors if they choose to describe them in that way. Its like you can have more than one yoga teacher or physical trainer or dance instructor.

[lonestarnot]

45. No it doesn't.

[pnwmom]

20. But he claims to be a member of this Baptist Church.

Presumably because he thinks it will get him more votes than if he runs as an Episcopalian.

Obama was baptised at Rev. Wright's church. This is common knowledge. I understand that after all the controversy, he switched to another Chicago church, but I don't know the name of it.

[lonestarnot]

25. I think the answer to that is here.

http://blogs.chicagoreader.com/politics/2008/06/16/obamas-new-church/

[DURHAM D]

32. Are you sure he was baptized in Wright's church?

Last I read there is no proof of same. Just for the record, all churches keep such information about baptism. It is very important for the church. Other than Obama's reference to an altar call (a very different activity from baptism) in his book - has the official Certificate of Baptism been produced?

This is the danger of everyone going after McCain on issues of religion, church membership, baptism. I think his personal narrative may be more clear, much more clear, than Obama's.

[lonestarnot]

33. Are fundies backing Obama now?

LOL They didn't appear to be in that audience that I saw.

[DURHAM D]

38. non sequitur

[lonestarnot]

44. It is you that does not follow.

[pnwmom]

60. I believe Obama when he says that he was baptised there. He should NOT

produce an official record of his baptism -- this is a country founded on the separation of Church and State. It's bad enough that all politicians now seem to feel that they have to expose their personal religious beliefs to public scrutiny.

[DURHAM D]

62. I don't believe that Obama has ever said he was baptized there.

Are you just making stuff up?

For the record, I could care less if he is a Christian, or a member of a church or baptized. It just should not matter.

[pnwmom]

71. I'm not making stuff up. What's with your attitude?

Especially since we agree that this whole thing should be a non-issue. The last thing he should have to do would be to produce a baptismal certificate.

http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=5339

Obama was not raised in a Christian home. The hostility his mother felt directed toward her by the church, especially after her interracial marriage, instilled in her a deep skepticism about claims of orthodoxy. She approached the world of religion as an anthropologist, not as a pilgrim. Only in adulthood, after working as a community organizer alongside devoted Christians, was Obama baptized in the United Church of Christ, one of the most socially engaged and arguably the most liberal mainstream Protestant church.

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. Water hadn't been invented back then.

[lonestarnot]

21. :spray:

:spray: :rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

40. Heathen! Get behind me Satan!

[lonestarnot]

43. By all means don't let him out in front of you!

:D

[AtomicKitten]

41. *

oops! dupe

[tekisui]

47. He is one slimey sob.

say anything, lie anything.

[DemBones DemBones]

48. McCain is a baptized Episcopalian who attends a Baptist church.

He was raised Episcopalian, began attending a Baptist church after marrying Cindy. Any bio of him says this. Anyone who reads it should comprehend that he is not a Baptist but Cindy must be since he has attended that church since marrying her. Elementary logic.

McCain is a baptized Episcopalian. Baptists require everyone who joins their churches to have a full-immersion baptism, even people who are already baptized. Catholics and mainstream Protestants don't require another baptism for converts unless the first one was invalid; water + the proper words = valid baptism.

If McCain still believes the articles of faith set out in the Nicene Creed, which both Episcopalians and Catholics recite every Sunday as a profession of faith, he believes "in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins." One baptism.


That may well be the sticking point for John McCain, that he has been baptized and one baptism is all that's needed for salvation. Or he may want to remain an Episcopalian for other reasons, his family tradition perhaps, a love for the old Book of Common Prayer.

There's no scandal or controversy here, nothing to upset Christians.

[opihimoimoi]

52. K&R #4....need a couple more,,,,McBadtism violates Gods Laws...he is a LIAR,a Cheater, and a BULLY..

no humbleness....

[lonestarnot]

54. He's a showman who goes to a building called a church once in a while so the media can

proclaim he's some kind of church goer. He wants to mix his politics with religion and he's a fucking phony who cooks up a good story with plagiarism, and the fundies I watched taking it all in were impressed with his lies they hold to be truths. McSame drives around in his car and listens to the radio and tries to figure out what he can say to have the gullible fall for his nutfuckery.

[pnwmom]

61. There is another option.

He and Cindy started attending the Baptist church after a political calculation involving the number of Baptists vs. the number of Episcopalians.

[KakistocracyHater]

51. but the really

importnt question to ask is: are you willing to let your kids follow this man to the death? Unquestioning obedience, when he is horrifically wrong on how the military is perfoming & the direction the occupation is headed? What they demanded of Kerry is more vastly important of McSame=Bush. Use this in rural areas, catch the recruiterrs lying & breaking their promises of paid education, to say the least. Grab them by their emotions with honesty, retune them to reality & get them away from Bushworld. Mccain was in the bottom 1% of his class? & still hasn't learned, he is not officer class, he is popular, that doesn't=intelligent/capable.

[lonestarnot]

53. And you are so right, but fundies don't care about any of that. All they care about is that he

is one of their gang who will push the right wing SCOTUS and all the issues that pale in comparison to the real issues.

[dkf]

64. I brought this up with a co-worker today.

She asked why he refused to be baptized and I told her, "I don't know...I guess he just doesn't want to".

She thinks it is hilarious that the Religious Right wants to follow a guy that prefers not to be baptized as an adult.

[retread]

65. Didn't he tell Pastor Two-Face he was born again? n/t

[Triana]

66. Why isn't the lame$tream challenging HIS "christianity"? Why isn't McLame forced to...

..declare and re-affirm his Christianity on a daily basis like Obama is?

Why isn't McLame under the "religion microscope"?

[Mabus]

67. McCain is *such* a maverick

The rules do not apply to John Sydney McCain. Now I know why the political media swooned over him. :sarcasm:

[TrogL]

69. Baptism is Baptism. A single molecule of water is sufficient.

Maybe McCain agrees.

It's far more telling that he hasn't made the altar call walk. I've seen them at Amway meetings.

[DefenseLawyer]

70. Karl Rove baptized him

into the Lee Atwater Church of Immoral Politics. It was a scene eerily similar to the end of the Godfather.