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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:40 PM
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So the pastor lied?
At the beginning of the forum at California megachurch, Warren told the crowd and TV audience, “I'm going to ask identical questions to each of these candidates, so you can compare apples to apples. Now, Senator Obama is going to go first. We flipped a coin, and we have safely placed Senator McCain in a cone of silence.”

But at 8 p.m. ET, as Warren said that, McCain was actually not in the building.
He was just leaving his hotel, with his motorcade arriving at the church nearly a half hour into the event. A. Larry Ross, a spokesman for Warren, says McCain then went directly into the holding room they dubbed the “cone of silence” (in reality, a room with no TV or audio).

Some questioned whether that late arrival might have allowed McCain to hear some of the questions being first posed to Obama.

Warren told CNN Sunday evening, “we flat out asked him” if he heard any of the questions. The McCain campaign “confirmed that McCain did not hear or see any of the broadcast” in the motorcade or after he arrived, Ross said.

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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:43 PM
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1. The Pastor is an Idiot
Especially if he believes anyone in the McCain campaign.

Maybe some people were correct that this was a set up and that Warren was in on it the whole time.


I wonder what McCain promised him?
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Impedimentus Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:49 PM
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4. Did Warren really think ...
that McCain would admit to cheating!O8)
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:57 PM
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23. No kidding
Rick warren is a right wing hack.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:26 PM
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29. The Pastor(?) is a Fundamentalist who saw the writing on the wall.
He decided 16 months ago that hate, hate, hate was not going to be the money generating force it once was, so he started "feeling" that the message was one of luv fer the pore.

Let me rephrase one of CNN's questions...Is Warren the Anti-Christ?
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:44 PM
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2. if he lied,
he will be forgiven. isn't that what christians believe?
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:51 PM
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6. I believe he has to also confess his sins.
In this case to the people he sinned against.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:54 PM
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8. as a catholic he would,
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 06:55 PM by sweets
but as a regular christian, doesn't he just ask jesus for forgiveness?

a christian woman told me that when she dies, it will be jesus who judges her.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:56 PM
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11. Of course there is no scripture that says it will be Jesus.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:01 PM
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14. i wouldn't know.
i've never read scriptures. i was raised catholic and now i'm an atheist.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:06 PM
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17. I had the horror of being raised baptist...
now I'm esoteric/gnostic.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:08 PM
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18. i could ask my granddaughter
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 07:08 PM by sweets
who is a born again christian, but we don't talk about religion.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:01 PM
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13. And to God, which is fairly easy. nt
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:03 PM
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26. oh yeah he lied
As for the forgiving part? Hopefully the guy will burn in hell.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:45 PM
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3. "Did not hear or see any of the broadcast"
Notice they did not answer the question:

"Warren told CNN Sunday evening, “we flat out asked him” if he heard any of the questions."


Answer from the McCain campaign:

"The McCain campaign “confirmed that McCain did not hear or see any of the broadcast” in the motorcade or after he arrived, Ross said.

When asked if McCain overheard anything, Charlie Black, a McCain adviser who was with him at the time, told CNN: "We were in motorcade until 5:30 p.m. ET; then a holding room in another building with no TV."


It is obvious to me that the way in which the campaign avoided answering the question speaks volumes that he was told what the questions were by his staff.

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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:52 PM
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7. All they needed was a person inside the church audience with a cell phone to
call and relay the questions. Actually, all they needed was a person in front of a TV located anywhere with a cell phone to relay the questions. That would give them lots of time to prep answers.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:54 PM
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9. Exactly what happened, imo
The way the McCain campaign carefully phrased their non-answer to the question is very telling.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:54 PM
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10. All he needed was satellite radio to hear the entire broadcast.
Motorcade my ass.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:51 PM
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5. You could smell a rat with this "debate"
First of all, most of the questions were inane and secondly, the audience was so openly pro-McCain and his answers were uncannily spun that you can see just how wretched the whole event was.

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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:59 PM
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12. Yes. The pastor lied, McCain cheated. If he hadn't arrived he should have been asked new questions
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:01 PM
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15. Golly, I've never heard of a pastor lying before....
:rofl:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:05 PM
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16. Of Course He Didn't Hear Or See Any Of The Questions
His staff did, and then told him. But he personally did not hear or see any of the questions.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:09 PM
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19. I personally tend to believe McCain more than likely had the questions days before the broadcast
eom
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:15 PM
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20. check the coin - probably heads on both sides....n/t
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:28 PM
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21. So....you really thought there was a cone of silence?
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:01 PM
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24. Yes, and a shoe phone as well. nt
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:02 PM
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25. LOL
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:55 PM
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22. My guess is that someone beside the pastor gained access to the questions
before the debate. He didn't have enough time to prep those answers while Obama was speaking.

I also don't think that Warren wants to do anything funny, as far as I know he supports Obama personally, but professionally he has no reason to risk his reputation for McCain. Other people in the office may have had access to the questions however.
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:09 PM
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27. "We flat out asked him"??????? That legitimizes it? You, reverend, FLAT OUT LIED
to America when you stated McCain was safely in a cone of silence. So if YOU, good reverend, in all your Christian righteous b.s. can stand there and tell a bold-faced lie to America, we're supposed to take McLame's word simply because you "flat out asked him?" What a scam this entire thing was.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:23 PM
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28. He arrived late so he could review questions without any witnesses around?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:27 PM
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30. What a crock of Christian shit.
Now I've heard it all. Bush with his fake back-lump receiving device and earpiece, and McCheater with his cell-phone coverage of the question and answer session with Obama. SICKENING!
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:27 PM
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31. I heard he was doing lines in the bathroom off some chicks ass.
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