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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:14 PM
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McCain's "Cross In The Dirt" Story -- Andrew Sullivan finds it curious.
McCain's "Cross In The Dirt" Story
from The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan by Andrew Sullivan

I've now heard it countless times. McCain has used what appears to be an intensely personal moment in a prison camp as a reason to vote for him in a campaign ad. As he tells it today, it was the pivotal moment in his struggle to survive in the Hanoi Hilton. And yet, in his first thorough account of his time in captivity, in 1973, the story is absent. The story is also hauntingly like that recounted by Solzhenitsen, as told in Luke Veronis, "The Sign of the Cross":

Leaving his shovel on the ground, he slowly walked to a crude bench and sat down. He knew that at any moment a guard would order him to stand up, and when he failed to respond, the guard would beat him to death, probably with his own shovel. He had seen it happen to other prisoners.

As he waited, head down, he felt a presence. Slowly he looked up and saw a skinny old prisoner squat down beside him. The man said nothing. Instead, he used a stick to trace in the dirt the sign of the Cross. The man then got back up and returned to his work.

As Solzhenitsyn stared at the Cross drawn in the dirt his entire perspective changed.

I have one simple question: when was the first time that McCain told this story?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/mccains-cross-i.html
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:21 PM
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1. Good for Andrew.
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 06:23 PM by Phx_Dem
Some Daily Kos poster was on the same track and dug up the dirt too.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/17/122230/161/239/569299

Nice going guys! :applause:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:24 PM
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2. I have that same question; was it before McSame & Salter researched this
book or after?

From the book, "Hard Call".

http://www.nysun.com/opinion/solzhenitsyn-at-work/83117


Solzhenitsyn at Work
By JOHN McCAIN | August 4, 2008


He wrote diligently, comprehensively, profoundly, and in secret. Why? What good is a silent memory when the forgotten deserve justice? This way, he might avoid the despair of having his work confiscated and destroyed or the frustration of having his work rejected by publishers as inadequate or politically unacceptable. Worse, making public his work, his memories, might cost him the measure of happiness he then enjoyed. It might send him back to the Gulag. For whatever reason, he kept his work to himself and to his wife, Natalya. "During all the years until 1961," he wrote, "not only was I convinced that I should never see a single line of mine in print in my lifetime but also I scarcely dared allow any of my close acquaintances to read anything I had written, because I feared that this would become known."

He was a writer with unusual gifts, utterly devoted to his art, brilliant and exacting, producing work that would stun not just literary worlds but the entire Cold War political world, and he was resigned to being unread until "this secret authorship began to wear me down." Following Nikita Khrushchev's 1956 denunciation of Stalin at the Twentieth Communist Party Conference and the cultural thaw, Khrushchev encouraged at the Twenty-second Congress in 1961, Solzhenitsyn mustered the courage to send One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich, a fictitious account of one day's suffering in a poor peasant's life in a labor camp, to the literary journal Novy Mir. The magazine's gifted editor, Aleksandr Tvardovsky, recognized it as a work of genius, compared it to Tolstoy, sent it to Khrushchev for the premier's permission, and published it. Tvardovsky said that while reading the manuscript late at night "he was so moved by its power that he got out of bed, put on a suit and tie and sat up the rest of the night reading ... because it would have been an insult to read such an epic in his pajamas."

Solzhenitsyn decided to write, in seven parts, a history of the gulags, which were not first conceived, as popular opinion held, in Stalin's malevolent paranoia, but by Lenin himself, who in the earliest days of Bolshevik rule provided the legal justification for strengthening the party's hold on power by establishing slave-labor camps. Stalin, of course, had expanded the system beyond Lenin's vision.

The writing began in fits and starts. Another round of cancer treatment interrupted him. And he had doubts that, lacking any access to official records, his own experiences — what he "was able to take away from the archipelago on the skin of my back and with my eyes and ears" — provided sufficient material on which to base such an immense undertaking. He set it aside. But after the publication of One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich, Solzhenitsyn began to receive hundreds of letters from Gulag survivors, and the letters and accounts obtained in conversations and memoirs from a total of 227 witnesses gave him the material necessary to complete the work.

more...

This excerpt is drawn from "Hard Call: The Art of Great Decisions," (Twelve), which Senator McCain coauthored with Mark Salter. It is reprinted with permission of the book's publisher.
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:24 PM
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3. K & R!
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:27 PM
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4. Rut roh. It's not just dirty fucking hippies at the Orange Satan alleging this...
Looks like McCain's got a wee problem on his hands.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:27 PM
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5. K&R.
we need to get the truth about McCain out there. many people are going to vote for him just because he was a POW.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:29 PM
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6. Why do you feel that your POW experience is so unremarkable that you plagairized to embellish it?
Oh how I wih a reporter would ask him that on camera.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:35 PM
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8. Why do you feel that your CHRISTIAN FAITH is so unremarkable that you plagairized to embellish it?
That would be the follow-up question.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:32 PM
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7. K+R
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:38 PM
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9. Beliefnet has also picked up on the "changing cross-in-the-dirt" story.
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 06:39 PM by jefferson_dem
McCain's Changing Cross-in-the-Dirt Story
Saturday August 16, 2008
posted by Steve Waldman @11:58pm

McCain tells the cross in the sand story in his 1999 memoir, Faith of My Fathers:

"We both stood wordlessly looking at the cross until, after a minute or two, he rubbed it out and walked away. I saw my good Samaritan often after the Christmas when we venerated the cross together."

In his campaign ad in December, he adds mention of "the true light of Christmas":

"We stood wordlessly looking at the cross, remembering the true light of Christmas. I will never forget that no matter where you are, no matter how difficult the circumstances, there will always be someone who will pick you up."

At the Saddleback Civil Forum:

"For a minute there, it was just two Christians worshipping together."

The story has gradually morphed from being about the humanity of the guard to being about the Christian faith of the guard and John McCain.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/08/the-ever-changing-crossinthedi.html
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:38 PM
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10. If I was a reporter I would ask..... Since lying is a sin and Evil,
at what time can we count on you to Defeat yourself?


Good going.
If the Corporate media attempts to laugh this off for John McCain,
You know the election is fixed.

Let's get this shit out there! Let's go.


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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:47 PM
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11. Was it "stick" or "sandle"
I noticed a change in the story and now that you post the Solzhenitsyn quote it makes me really wonder. McCain before said the guy drew it in the dirt with a stick (like the story you quote). This time he said he did it with his sandle. I think maybe this is something McCain created (copied) way back when to run for office. I'd like to know the truth about this guy and what really happened since there have been allegations of him not being so "honorable".
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:01 PM
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12. He said 'sand' last night. Was there sand at the Hanoi Hilton? Not dirt?
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