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MattP Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:04 AM
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I think the Adoption question was such a obvious set up question for McCain, that was the worst.
If your'e going make a kiss ass question, don't make it so obvious. It's like trying to throw the the Georgia question into a genocide debate, oh he did that to?
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:06 AM
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1. I thought many questions were hand-picked for McCain. Including 'your worst failure'....
...and I'm absolutely convinced he knew those questions ahead of time.
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:11 AM
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2. This must be Warren's
pet project...he had tears in his eyes and voice as he talked about the orphans...
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:14 AM
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3. And yet, Obama's answer was pretty solid too . . .
And allowed him to riff on the causes of orphans and how those social ills should be addressed.
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:17 AM
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4. I think some insider let him know the questions ahead of time somehow.
McCain was too quick and practiced, and looked too angry for it not to have been rehearsed. McCain doesn't normally act that way giving a speech nor does he act that quickly in the town hall meetings. He looked scared to me at times, too--his voice was shaking. He was moving his jaws and teeth around strangely, too. I bet he was nervous or something because he knew he wasn't being himself and portraying the true self.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:40 AM
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5. It was obvious from Obama's response that Warren has made international adoption
something of a personal crusade and he was waiting for that question.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 02:08 AM
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6. The same with the question on his biggest failing
and he said his divorce...
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 02:14 AM
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7. Interesting that he blurted out the upcoming Supreme Court question
hmmm. Seems like he knew the questions before they were asked.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:12 AM
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11. In today's political climate, expecting a Supreme Court question was kinda obvious.
I'm not writing off that McCain had some inside knowledge, but anticipating that he'd be asked a Supreme Court question isn't much evidence, imo.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:30 AM
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8. Yeah, but what does the fact that Cindy adopted an orphan
do for all the other orphans out there?

Was there any solution? Or is Cindy going to adopt them all?
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:45 AM
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9. I think that it's great that they adopted and all....
but, it's not really like McCain had much choice in the matter...Cindy brought home two kids (and gave one away to a family friend) and said "Guess what, honey? One of these is OURS!"
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:06 AM
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10. "Adoption" is one of the code words of pro-lifers...
I'ts the solution to abortion.
But whenever I'm confronted with rabid pro-lifers,
I ask "how many children have you adopted?"

Oh, that's for others.We prefer our own blood children, they say.

Of all of the people I know who have adopted,
all of them are pro-choice.

But it's apparent that the questions were chosen
to satisfy the crowd that wants easy, black-and-white,
no thinking allowed answers.

But my favorite: When asked what to do with evil,
McCain said: "Defeat it." And everyone went batshit.

ANy evangelical worth his/her salt knows that's God's job.

What a panderfest.

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:15 AM
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12. "Defeat it"? Isn't that about as specific as "hope" or "change"?
(okay I'll admit, I couldn't stand to watch the panderfest. My stomach just isn't that strong. And I feared for the life of my tv).
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Shealee Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:18 AM
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13. I'm here because abortion was illegal...
I was born April 24, 1967 to a woman who's husband was out to sea with the Navy. Do you think I'd be here today if abortion had been legal in 1967? I don't. I personally think that adoption is a WONDERFUL alternative to abortion and think it needs to be discussed as much, if not more, than abortion.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:39 AM
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14. The last stats I read on children waiting for adoption was around...
...500,000. There are children waiting and living in foster care and never adopted. How does that fit in your scheme of things? Why should we add to that figure and have more parentless children? And, do you have a clue on the costs that are involved in an adoption? Some people cannot afford these sums ~~ so many of these parentless children will never be adopted.

IMO, adoption is NO alternative, let alone a good one, to abortion. Your story is personal to you only and it IMO does not equate to being a hard and fast rule. If adoption was any alternative, there would not be approximately 500,000 children in foster care looking to find a home.

JMHO
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Shealee Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:21 AM
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17. How many of those children awaiting adoption
that you're referring to are infants? My bet is that the majority of those are older children who were unfortunately born to women who couldn't care for them from the beginning and put into foster care. If they had taken the option of adoption from the beginning, odds are they would not be in foster care now.

Not once did I ever say that a woman shouldn't have the choice to abort, but how can you say that adoption is not even a good alternative? That's hideous.

And again...I'm not saying that a woman shouldn't have a choice, but maybe, just MAYBE if abortions weren't so readily available, women would eventually come to the point of thinking twice before having unprotected sex if they can't afford to raise a child.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:25 AM
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18. IMO, just because there are not enough blond, blue eyed infants...
...to go around, that does not mean that a woman seeking an abortion should be denied the same, right?
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 02:06 PM
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19. ITA
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:39 PM
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20. Oh, this issue isn't about promiscuous women having unprotected sex!
Good grief!

I served as a chaplain at a clinic at a huge hospital/medical school
in a huge east coast city. The abortion clinic was not there to serve
the needs of women having unprotected sex!

In many cases, it served to help:

1. victims of rape, in a major city, this is a problem.
2. Mothers with over 5 children who have no means of support.
Heartbreaking? yes; realistic? yes.
3. victims of incest, including little girls who got pregnant without
realising what happened to them- should a child bear a child?
4. Women with extreme medical problems, including AIDS... they cannot bring
another 'life' into this world and continue the suffering.

AND please know, that for most women, going thru the abortion was the most
heart rending thing for them. VEry emotional, but it was the last best choice.

Shealee, I am not only a Christian, I am a Christian Pastor, and I agonized with these
women and their choices. Christians believe that forgiveness is always available to
the repentant. But life sometimes demands making hard choices. I don't want to get into
a long theological rant. I don't think I could ever have an abortion, but I don't walk
in another women's shoes. She knows her life. She should make that decision.
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:46 AM
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15. That's one side of the story
Unfortunately I see women who hate the children they had 'by mistake' they hit them call them names and ignore their needs. I suggest that you visit a Youth Services office and understand that some of these kids will never make it to adulthood, or are doomed to a life of squalor and crime and incredible pain.

My first child was a 'surprise' but I never considered abortion, but then again that was my choice.
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dazzlerazzle Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:15 AM
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16. adoption pride
I am an adoptive parent, and my wife and I both very proud of the decision. What I never understood about the South Carolina dirty trick by his opponent is why didn't he come out at the time as any proud parent would have done, be seen hundreds of times with the child? It looked then as if they were worried how some voters would react, and even now how many people have seen photos of the girl with the Senator and his wife?
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