Got a call from my friends out West, who are GOP Christians who are NOW terrified of Obama

[Divine Discontent]

And before I get to what they said, it is of extreme note - that we have one of the major party candidates directly insinuating the other party's candidate is - the antichrist - and does it by proclaiming that Obama believes, as does his 'followers' that he is 'THE ONE' - 'THE MESSIAH' - 'THE 2ND COMING', and even gives imagery in an ad of a biblical nature. These comments are familiar to many of us on DU as being the tactics of another candidates most unruly backers who probably are part of PUMA now, but to see them employed directly by the McCain campaign, is nothing short of breathtaking.

These actions by the GOP stoke REAL fears in millions who aren't very strong in their faith (why fear if you believe GOD will rapture you away from the antichrist as most Christians believe?), nor understand that even if Obama were to turn out to be the antichrist - would there be any way to stop GOD'S plan? Of course not, but let's not be rational here, it's too fun to be unstable and tear apart the man as a threat to humanity, without admitting a lot of the fear is clearly because of his color and his full name.

So, to the contact from my old friends - I received a detailed plea in an email from two Republican friends of mine out in Western Colorado, to watch Obama 'mocking' Jesus Christ's Sermon on the Mount, and attacking the bible as not being valid (according to the absurd narration), in some ridiculous anti-Obama youtube video that has been viewed over a half million times. The goofball guy that does the narration is so sinister sounding that I question him being a threat just on voice alone, and he is so dumb that he called his long video a "527 political add", LOL.

But the point is, that even the McCain camp is now joining in on the "Obama is claiming he's the messiah" train - and therefore, the antichrist (there's NO other way to view that statement than to see the McCain camp is calling Obama the antichrist) - which is perhaps the lowest, dirtiest, scummiest, most vile action yet! I then received a call from the wife of the couple, and she, who was once 'not at all excited about McCain', now finds herself 'terrified what will happen to our country if Obama gets in, I'm sorry (my name), but that's how I feel'. These fearmongers are stoking an uneasy fear of Obama being outright EVIL - and that's where we get into a very, very, dark matter! The nutjobs with guns don't need much more than a lost job or marriage to find someone to blame for their agony, and if they're constantly being told things are going to get worse if Obama gets in - they tip over to scaryville.

As CNN noted in their ridiculous hit piece about Obama, called - "Is Obama the antichrist?", these attacks have a huge effect on a certain amount of Christians - because as I've said in a past post - IMAGE is everything, and if the McCain camp is going to be intent on creating ads that have Chuck Heston parting the seas, we should do everything to mock them for being insane for taking the race to this kind of cheap sideshow stunt that shows how bizarre of a candidate this man is (he is extremely superstitious - see link below).

We should point out how unstable he appears and how his own views are creepy, and do this over and over again. Calling McCain unstable and an old man at the command of his handlers who make up these horrible ads, all while McCain smiles like a shut-in who's been brought a cake from visitors will go far in helping us frame the issue!

I told my friends that their fears are overboard, and they said they respected my opinion because they view me as being very 'Christian', and I said, as I wrote above - that if Obama really were deceiving everyone, and he was the antichrist - would we have any say over what is supposed to happen in GOD'S plan? So, therefore, we should trust that Obama is going to be the uniting calm leader he portrays himself to be, and not the unsettled angry McCain who wants to go to war with everyone it seems!

I don't want a president that SAYS he knows how to win a war - I want a leader that knows how to AVOID a war, sparing life and saving hundreds of billions of dollars we really don't have.


(link of McCain's superstitious need of a feather, a lucky coin, and a compass, and the chaos that ensued when he lost the feather momentarily - "A Candidate's Lucky Charms" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/2000-02/19/067r-021900-idx.html )
John McCain and his penny



McLame/McSame/McWar & more at www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable

[zanne]

1. Only Christian fanatics are affected by that ad...

The people you'e describing aren't exactly "typical" Christians.

[Divine Discontent]

6. hence, the title "GOP Christians"

and you are highly inaccurate if you think this fear-mongering isn't going to drive out the 30% base the GOP knows they MUST have show up at the ballot box to stand a chance - they're employing it, and it's not something that should be just be ignored as just 'fanatics' being scared. Millions of elderly who aren't 'fanatics' are going to be scared in their churches by close-minded ministers, by fellow elderly, and family members who are afraid of a black man pure and simple. Therefore, the politics of insinuating that because he's different, and he's encouraging a bunch of people to be hopeful, that he must be the antichrist is in full swing. I have never seen them act this way in any of the monthly emails I get from them about what's going on with them. There has been a noticeable tilt in the radio and TV to implying Obama is evil, and it's appearing in the email boxes and phone calls of many people.

My best friend who is extremely liberal like me, has a 71 year old mom who's also terrified of Obama, and said, "I just don't trust him, there's something about him that's not right!", and she has eaten up the antichrist BS about Obama in emails, and I told my friend he has to stop her from voting! LOL She's a racist imo, so her reaction to Obama fits the bill.

[zanne]

23. We can't expect to win over that 30% anyway.

And I doubt that as many of them will be voting as they did in 2004.

[Divine Discontent]

29. but, zanne, that's who they have to have come out to have any chance - that's the grounds they're

staking a victory on. They have to virulently assaulting against Obama as evil, to get every single last person they can out to vote for George Bush's third term. They have no other chance.

And, also, I state in my OP at the top - "Of course not, but let's not be rational here, it's too fun to be unstable and tear apart the man as a threat to humanity, without admitting a lot of the fear is clearly because of his color and his full name." We cannot verify people are doing this for racial terms unless they admit it, but it looks that way - but every time I say that - other people on this board come out of the woodwork and say, 'you can't be against Obama without being racist!?', so I wrote what I felt was appropriate. If you would like to make a thread about it, I will certainly read it, zanne. I really believe people would rather be irrational about him being the antichrist, than face it's because of his name and color, as I said.

[zanne]

31. People believe what they want to believe.

The reason it's nearly impossible to make people "see" the truth is because they don't want to. Take the latest book that's come out against Obama. People who don't like Obama will buy it and believe what it says, because they want to. It's their cultural identity that feels threatened, not their religious beliefs.

[Divine Discontent]

34. right

and the only way we change people is by becoming close to them. How else do we go from having a DEM president, then a GOP? It's because people feel they connect with one or the other, and, people help lead their acquaintances to seeing what's right. I have, every election, changed several people's vote, and these are people that were very much against the DEM. I think Obama is the PERFECT person to lead many GOPers to our side, and he will shine in the debates - I just know it!

take care

[zanne]

35. GOP'ers can change. Religious fanatics cannot. nt

[Divine Discontent]

43. I just sent my friend in CO this ---

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/16/16825/8416/570/568960

this will get her going! They have argued about water for years - and now McSame is pushing for their water! LOVE IT!

COLORADO IS OBAMA'S, I CAN FEEL IT!

[zanne]

44. From your lips to God's ears! nt

[Beregond2]

2. Funny, I don't have any "friends" who are

GOP Christians (an oxymoron if ever there was one.) Some relatives, yes, but we dont choose our family.

[Divine Discontent]

3. they employed me when I was down and out, and kept me from being homeless

I also have friends who are different colors than me, different religions and atheist, different political affiliations, different generations, and different sexuality. As a Christian, I believe that you find the good within anyone, and you keep them in your prayers, and in time, they hopefully will come around to being loving of all people if they're close-minded on issues, like these particular friends are about Obama.

[ZombieHorde]

5. You better close that mind of yours themartyred.

An open mind is a dangerous thing. People like you make zombie invasions much more difficult.

[Divine Discontent]

10. Bless you!

Very cool response, and love the insane pic! My best friend is involved in haunts and the owner of the operation loves, and is involved in, making these types of movies, and involved inmakeup for them, so I laugh when I see zombie pics. I'm not a fan of the genre, but this pic is perhaps the best I've seen. Could you imagine being one of zombies - what a rare treat that would be for $50! LOL

[Middle finga]

4. You are right that does says something about the poster...

If I had friends that were intolerant, racist or bigoted then that would say something about my character.

[Peacetrain]

9. Oh Bull Hockey

:).. trust me you know intolerant, racist, and bigoted people. They are all a part of our lives in every stripe color and political persuasion.

[Divine Discontent]

13. Thank you

I've always found when attacked, to let other individuals stand on your behalf. I have dozens of posts on this board which have went to the top of the rec list, and I am always flabbergasted when others come to my defense. Thank you, peacetrain - we ALL deal and know with intolerant, racist and bigoted individuals in all the types of circles we are in. I have directly been told by many individuals I have led them to the light of open thought, and how could I do that if I turned away from them like the person attacking me acts concerning my association with my friends who gave me work and a place to sleep when I had nothing.
:hug:

[Divine Discontent]

18. I choose to be like Christ and embrace everyone with an open heart

and I pray for people often who I feel are close-minded and intolerant and those who rush to judgment about other people without knowing them or what they've done in their lives and the differences they've made.

GOD bless you.

[zanne]

30. Do you really consider yourself a martyr? nt

[Divine Discontent]

36. imamartyr is not my screen name, silly.

it's about all types of people who have been martyred for their beliefs, hence THEmartyred.

take care!

[zanne]

25. We are known by the company we keep.... nt

[Divine Discontent]

28. then I am a blessed human, for I have many wonderful people around me often

and have constantly been told I'm the life of every activity I'm involved with, I count that as a blessing, because I not only 'can' but have influenced many a person about issues. How else can people change unless we welcome them in to talk.

[Lorien]

11. I do. They were coworkers years ago and they helped me out when

I was severely ill. They respect my views enough not to bring up politics when we're together, although we do talk about issues we agree on (like Net neutrality). My mother was a right wing repugs for quite a while, but I never had a "won't discuss politics" agreement with her. Now she's an avid Kucinich supporter.

[Lorien]

7. I think it's a cover for what they are REALLY afraid of: Black men

these are racists, not the faithful. If they were the faithful and honestly believe such idiocy, then I'd have to wonder just how "rapture ready" they really are.

I think it was Pat Robertson who asserted that the anti Christ would be a Jew born in Germany in the 1950s. So who are these people going to really believe?

[Divine Discontent]

16. DING DING DING!

I said in my email response to her that many people are just outright scared of Obama because he's different looking than they are. I hope she admits to herself that is what's going on, and there is much shame upon Mr. McCain for approving (if he EVEN makes decisions LOL) that disgusting "the one" internet commercial!

[zanne]

26. Racism isn't about Christianity or Satanism.

Maybe you should talked a bit more about racism in your OP. That sounds like the more likely problem.

[Rageneau]

8. This is no surprise. It's the same nasty GOP politics we have been expecting all along.

Democrats will not win this election by complaining that Republican tactics are underhanded or "breathtaking" in their cynicism. Obama supporters on ths board were warned many times that this kind attack was coming just as soon as Hillary was out of the way. And I'm afraid you ain't seen nothin yet.

Republicans do not play fair. They will not play fair. Ever. So there's no point in complaining when they don't. They must be opposed. They must be shouted down. They must be confronted with their falsehoods in front of others. Republicans are slick and evil and they have to be BEATEN. We can't go running to mother to 'make them stop.'

[Divine Discontent]

15. It must be confronted, agreed!

I told them both, well told her, and she relayed it to her husband, that I felt they were being stoked by fearmongers and I directly corrected her false belief about Obama and taxes - they only make about 60K a year and were scared Obama was going to take from them, then I sent them the graph I posted on DU a few months back that showed if you make under 110K a year, your taxes will drop under Obama more than McCain (by far), and your taxes only go UP under Obama's plan if you make more than 600K - pretty easy to see the tax line about Obama is BS!

[writes3000]

12. Please speak up. Please speak out. Please. nt

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

14. While the mere idea of Obama being the Antichrist is completely ridiculous, this is my response:

Jesus Christ cannot return and establish His 1000 year kingdom on earth until the 7 year tribulation and reign of the Antichrist has passed. So if you prevent the Antichrist from taking power, you prevent Jesus from coming back.

Nice work, "Christians". :eyes:

[Divine Discontent]

17. I'm gonna have to use that one on them if they bring it up again...

because I always say in my discussions with other Christians that I look forward to heaven - why wouldn't I as a Christian? And so your take on it is good! I will say, so you wanna prevent Christ from coming back - not that you have a choice - but it sounds like you don't want it!?

tip of the cap, my friend!

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

19. I grew up in a fundie Baptist church, so I know the drill

Never bought into the rhetoric as much as they would have liked, but I definitely know it. :toast:

[Divine Discontent]

22. LOL

oh boy. lucky you! I'm from a Methodist background - much more laid back and secretive and casually non-offensive about our racism, ya know?! LOL I remember the first time as a small child I heard an old man from our church call Jesse Jackson a 'darkie' and I was like - these people are nuts! It's not that they're not caring people, it's because they're afraid of difference - and I often made the comment in church over the years that if Jesus Christ my savior stepped into this church - half the people in there would have called the cops!

[C_U_L8R]

20. Where has that penny been?

Was it with McCain in prison camp?

[Divine Discontent]

24. "He carries a lucky penny given to him by New Hampshire Union Leader"

his feather came from a tribal leader, I believe it said in the article. But I laughed when I read Millbank's account that the campaign freaked out and went into panic mode trying to find his feather when he realized he didn't have it, until Cindy found it in another jacket - I mean, REALLY....



YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS STUFF UP!!!!!!!!!!!

[az chela]

21. For as long as I can remember and that is a long time

People have been claiming everyone from the pope to Stalin to Hitler to gorbachev to a thousand other people this is such bull shit.
anti means against so I guess anyone who is against christ is the anti christ including me,I see the bible as a myth based on a lot
of writings of the jews and early christians who got them from the sumerians and greek and Egyptians and so many came from Constatine
who was not a christian but his mother was.He worshipped the sun so i guess that also buts him in the LIST
What a backward belief this old teaching is

[Divine Discontent]

27. yes they have been doing that forever

when I was young Ronald Wilson Reagan was the antichrist because of the letter-count in his name, and so on. I believe in Christ's promise, but I also believe, that many things Christians practice were taken from other religions, and the Catholic church has a lot to do with that of course. I never liked the dogma and how 'religious' many churches are, it really just turns me off. I love Christ's words and promises, so that works for me. I believe in Him. To each his own, but yeah, I agree, much of what people do is what other people practice or have practiced in past beliefs.

[TheKentuckian]

32. Ronald Reagan wasn't the anti-Christ

but rather the devil, getting the lay of the land and laying a little ground work.

[Divine Discontent]

38. Reagan was so awful!

He came into power claiming to simplify and shrink govt and send the deficit sky high with spending! LOL... what a liar he was.

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[yardwork]

37. Thank you of for the link to McInsane's superstitions. I'll use it.

[Divine Discontent]

39. hey yardwork! :) Thanks for seeing that - it's an AWESOME link & I'm glad

you'll be putting it to use - it's shocking, really.

You'd think they (GOPers) would get upset about that, but, oh wait, McCain isn't a Democratic Black man trying to become president - they could care less - but I'm hopeful it becomes a question of some sort at a debate, and that Olbermann will do a piece on it a few weeks before the election, especially as a special comment and rail the McCain camp for all the insinuations about Obama when their guy is into SUPERSTITION! ha

[patrice]

40. My reading of the NT: Dubya fits the criteria for the anti-Christ more than Obama does.

Bush's War has brought on the 2nd Coming in our realization of how Church and State have come together, just as they did to Jesus, to kill 10s of thousands of INNOCENT People.

Oil Kings = Pilate;
BushCo = Herod;
ALL of the Innocent Dead = Jesus;
You = ?

[Peacetrain]

41. I was thinking the same thing earlier..

Do you remember about 4 or 5 years ago the group (it was all over the news) that had its kids praying to a picture of George Bush. Now that was unnerving!

[Divine Discontent]

42. yes, B*sh definitely does

and I will smack the sign away if I ever see kids praying to president Obama! That was disturbing seeing the kids in Jesus Camp or whatever it was, doing that.

[barack the house]

45. This is so surreal to atheist people. There is only reality, life is hard enough without god in the

equation.