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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:27 PM
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I know this is Obama's campaign BUT I'm not sure he knows how to win.
Raising money is not winning.
I don't think this because the polls say it is close. I know to take polls with a grain of salt.
But let's face it, he squeaked by Hillary Clinton. He won his senate race against Alan Keyes, who was a last minute fill-in.

Now he has conceded this roll-call thing at the convention--I don't understand why and I am not sure whether it was smart or not. He has tried to go to the middle on drilling and FISA which I understand because you have to win nationally.

Who he picks for VP will tell me whether we will win or whether we might very well lose. If he picks Bayh or Kaine I think we are in trouble.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:29 PM
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1. If he picks Schweitzer, he's the genuine article.
If not, he's playing it safe.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:29 PM
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2. I'm concerned about the pick as well, hoping for Clark
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:30 PM
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3. Do you? If so, be sure to call his campaign and tell them how it's done.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 04:42 PM
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25. ...
:spray:

Yes, everyone at DU is so wildly successful at politics as Obama (at least in our own minds)!
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:30 PM
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4. Are you even following what the campaign is doing?
It doesn't sound like it. If you think all they're doing is raising money, you need to go to your local Obama office and volunteer, and actually see what's going on.

The money is being used at the local level in many states. They have an enormous ground game with targeted ads running in the battleground states.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:31 PM
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5. He didn't squeak pst Hillary. He came from no where and beat the
Clinton Machine. He won in February, Hillary just played it out. The roll call was not a concession. He wants to pacify the strong Hillary supporters, this a way to do it.

His VP will be the winning ticket.

Thanks for the concern, though.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:31 PM
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6. Don't worry, his campaign is brilliant....
they know what they are doing, they showed that convincingly during the primaries. They will come out on top REGARDLESS of the roadblocks any of his opposition may put up.

The McSame campaign is in total disarray, the repubs demoralized, the evangelicals are madder at McSame than they are at Obama.

Take a page from Obama himself, breathe, relax, be confident.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:35 PM
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7. Gee, I remember a bunch of the same reassurances in 2004.
His VP pick will say a lot. We'll see.

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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:39 PM
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8. So you think if he doesn't choose your candidate, he's not
serious about winning! Talk about delusions of grandeur!
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:40 PM
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9. even if it all stopped today... he already HAS won.
who'd a thought that skinny unknown black guy with a funny name could have come this far! that alone is an enormous accomplishment, my god! winning over the Clinton machine and the media? you have to be 10 times smarter and twice as tough to survive that this far. and he has, without so much as a flinch or a twitch.

o ye of little faith. get some. :)
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 03:16 PM
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16. Bugger that
We need a dem in the WH not an historic milestone.

I am happy with the dem being Obama but will NOT be happy with the milestone.
You can hang that round your neck.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 03:49 PM
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22. eh?
but isn't Hillary and some of her supporters treating Her Loss as a milestone? If I hear about the 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling again for the umpth time I'm gonna pound one of those shards in my ears.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 04:41 PM
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24. Go ahead
Edited on Sat Aug-16-08 04:42 PM by JoFerret
Enjoy the milestone and historic moment.

Nobody wins until there's a dem in the WH.

And for crissakes stop harping on about Hillary.

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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:41 PM
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10. Easy, If Obama Picks Clark, he Wins
That is all.


:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:44 PM
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11. I hate to tell you, but money WAS a big reason why the Democrats lost in 2000 and 2004.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:53 PM
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13. The Media and Election Fraud Were the Reasons We "Lost" in 2000 and 2004
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:57 PM
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15. No, they helped, but lack of money killed Kerry and Gore.
Gore had to cut ads and basically go into a blackout in 2000, just to save funds. Kerry didn't have the money to go hard after the Swift Boaters, which killed his campaign. Yeah, the media helped, but we've also go to understand there were some flaws in both Kerry and Gore's campaign.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 03:18 PM
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18. The Swift Boaters Would Have Been Nothing Without the Media Echo Chamber
If it were only the Swift Boat ads themselves, they would have had very little impact on the election.
It was the endless repetition of the Swift Boat ads FOR FREE and treating them uncritically as "news" that made the attack so powerful.
Kerry would have had to spend ALL his money in August fighting the media windmills.

Obama has avoided Federal funding, so he can raise far more money.
Will it be enough to counter the billions of dollars worth of free airtime that McCain's campaign is getting?

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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 03:45 PM
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20. It also hurt that Kerry didn't have the money to go after them.
And right the ship.

Look at how much shit this assbag is getting for trying to Swiftboat Obama already. It's failing.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:46 PM
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12. Can't close the deal!
:eyes:
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:54 PM
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14. one thing to keep in mind...
the majority of polling still happens via land lines. some people (majority of gen Y and lots of gen X) only have cell phones. Only calling land lines is skewed to older, conservative voters.

I'm ok with the closeness only because I want the landslide to be a surprise. I'm afraid if the GOP knows they're doomed and have lots of time to think about it, they will do something drastic.

see, silver lining!
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 03:16 PM
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17. He has run the most brilliant
campaign I have seen in my life and I go way back to Truman. If we can believe history, his choice of a running mate will make little difference on election day. The only VP selection I can remember who really hurt a candidate was McGovern's selection of Thomas Eagleton in 1972. As it turned out revelations became known that Eagleton had undergone shock therapy for a mental problem. I suspect this is one of the reasons there is so much emphasis on vetting potential VP candidates these days. You need to take a deep breath, relax and become actively involved in the campaign.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 03:31 PM
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19. I think we should ignore the polls . . . seriously.
Unless they call people on cell phones, it's not truly reflective of Obama's support.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 03:48 PM
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21. Where were you during the primaries? It seemed that Obama had an inkling on how to win them.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 04:41 PM
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23. "Who he picks for VP will tell me whether we will win or whether we might very well lose."
Yep- that's about right.

Most of the milquetoasters that have been are losers for the ticket.
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