Any Democrat whose confidence in Obama is contingent on what happens to Hillary

[ProSense]

needs to understand that this is Obama's campaign.

Rep.: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC

By AMIE PARNES & BEN SMITH | 8/15/08 5:58 PM EST

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On Friday, the Obama campaign confirmed that the floor vote in Denver, intended to assuage Clinton supporters still stewing over her narrow loss, will be conducted as a state-by-state roll call. Under proposed convention bylaws, delegates would be forced to register their votes on a tally sheet with the convention secretary — the rules could be altered or suspended before the start of the convention.

<...>

Lower-key options were available. For example, Clinton’s name could have been entered into nomination, followed by laudatory speeches, ending with her release of delegates to Obama and proposal that he be nomination by acclamation, Seyfang said.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the “mechanics” of the roll call vote are still being worked out, but he conceded that Clinton probably will garner many votes on the first ballot.

For Obama’s camp, the roll call is a ritual that will defuse any potential tension with Clinton or her supporters without affecting the outcome or the theater of Obama’s dramatic nomination.

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That includes the DLCers:

These Democrats — 15 governors, members of Congress and state party leaders — say Mr. Obama has yet to convert his popularity among many Americans into solutions to crucial electoral challenges: showing ownership of an issue, like economic stewardship or national security; winning over supporters of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton; and minimizing his race and experience level as concerns for voters.

Mr. Obama has run for the last 18 months as the candidate of hope. Yet party leaders — while enthusiastic about Mr. Obama and his state-by-state campaign operations — say he must do more to convince the many undecided Democrats and independents that he would address their financial anxieties rather than run, by and large, as an agent of change — given that change, they note, is not an issue.

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OK, WTF?

[AtomicKitten]

1. The squishy support is indicative of an utter lack of respect for Obama.

Lack of respect for Obama was the underpinning of the Clinton campaign that still resonates even though she logistically is no longer part of the equation. While an argument could be made that this reeks of racism, I think it has more to do with the Machiavellian approach to politics the Clintons have exhibited for decades. The Clintons have one last shot at the convention to change the dynamics within the party. We shall see if they are up to the task.

[golddigger]

2. Yeah, Clinton's insistence on breathing robs Obama of precious oxygen!!!

[ProSense]

3. I suppose

idiotic comments are also good for something.

[golddigger]

6. You should know.

[pecwae]

13. LOL!

[zabet]

15. ...

:spray:

[ProSense]

16. Look,

you have a following, and they think "you should know" is extremely funny.

LOL!

[golddigger]

17. I guess only people who have any 'SENSE' thinks it's funny!

[ProSense]

33. I'm certain that's not why they deemed it funny, but

I know where you're coming from.

[Phx_Dem]

18. It's idiotic because you don't agree with it?

How democratic.

[ProSense]

19. No, but

if you believe this makes sense:

Yeah, Clinton's insistence on breathing robs Obama of precious oxygen!!!

Who am I to argue?

[Phx_Dem]

31. I thought you were replying to the

original post. Duh. :banghead:

My mistake and I apologize. :blush:

[ProSense]

32. Ouch!

Stop that!

No problem. LOL!

[MercutioATC]

4. No, but her need to "save face" robs OUR campaign.

The decision to allow her a roll call vote has been made. So be it.

I'm not, however, going to satirize the view that the decision is pure pandering...and it saddens me that we need to pander to the loser of a primary race.

[saracat]

20. Odd was it pandering to all the other losers since 1968 to put their names in nomination?

This isn't pandering and it is following tradition, a concept I am aware that few have any respect for. It is too bad because it is meaningful.Whatever.The Party is doing the right thing.

[TahitiNut]

26. I think it has more to do with her continuous vocal exercises ....

.... "Me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me..."

[Whisp]

38. ha! didn't she say it's not over till the lady in the pantsuit sings

and she's still going...

Me-me-me.

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[BlooInBloo]

34. +1

[comradebillyboy]

36. I must agree with golddigger on this one

Golddigger you just can't help but tell the truth. Its going to get you in trouble. you need to learn how to be a cheerleader or at least join the chorus.

[LowerManhattanite]

5. ”F” these people.

I consider them the political equivalent of a squalling child on the subway. They are annoying, but NOT my responsibility. Put on the iPod, crank it high and tune 'em the fuck out.

[highplainsdem]

7. Any Democrat who thinks Obama can ignore Clinton and the 18 million votes she got, and the polls, is

blind to reality.

I don't believe Obama is.

This is Obama's campaign, of course -- which means it's also his to lose if he can't unite the party.

When you have such a close primary race and two very strong candidates with very loyal supporters, only an alliance -- a unity ticket -- makes sense.

And the GE campaign with the best chance of winning will include ideas as well as people from BOTH primary campaigns.

[ProSense]

8. Oh, cut the crap

Hillary doesn't have 18 million supporters to herself.

Most of those Democrats have moved on.

This is simply BS to hype Hillary's significance to Obama's victory. He'll win and Hillary has a teeny tiny part to play in his victory.

[emilyg]

9. You got it!

[MercutioATC]

10. Define "Democrat"

Clinton's supporters are a mix of Democrats who preferred her as the nominee and non-Dems who voted for her because of her gender.

If we define a Democratic voter as one who votes for the Democratic candidate, Clinton's "18 million" are now Obama voters. He doesn't seem to have a great problem pulling votes from the ranks of Independents or crossover Republicans, either (and that pull would be strengthened by a wise VP choice).

Clinton has nothing...and it sickens me to see a call to pander to her to this degree.

[Whisp]

11. oh, please, you can't mean 18 million still support hillary.

and are holding back on Obama.
what poppycock.

for one thing, her debt would have been easily take care of by now if that were so, for a mere 50 cents or so from each.

you make no cents.

[ClassWarrior]

14. If the Clinton supporters whom I know are any indication...

...about 17,999,900 of y'all are now Obama supporters.

NGU.

[blondeatlast]

22. WORD. nt

[Mme. Defarge]

27. How many of those 18,000,000 were

cross-over Republicans with no intention of voting for her in the G.E.? Don't forget that Bill went on the Rush Limbaugh program during the Texas primary and urged Republicans to ask for a Democratic ballot and vote for Hillary.

[Name removed]

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[MarjorieG]

21. The same crowd refused to read, learn about Kerry, who's been around longer.

Such was the tepid support and ignorance of 2004. Either the race is too easy or too tough for them to work towards.

[Forkboy]

23. You could have saved time and just ended your post with, "..is an idiot."

[LowerManhattanite]

24. LOL! n/t

[Forkboy]

25. I prefer brevity.

:D

[Prophet 451]

28. This is what I was afraid of

I'm not worried about Hillary, she won't try to steal the nomination because firstly, she knows it would be electoral suicide and secondly, I honestly don't think she's that evil a person. What worried me about honouring her campaign in this way was the opportunity it gave to the malcontents (PUMAs and their fellow travellers) to cause chaos. Also, it reminds everyone how bitter and vitriolic the primaries were.

[DU GrovelBot]

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[cliffordu]

37. Grovelbot - calling people out like this can get you a Pizza.

I'm just sayin...

[SwampG8r]

39. i have thread devoted to him

and he wont come
:cry:

[cliffordu]

40. I saw that thread - which is why I'm goading him over here......

[LWolf]

35. My confidence in Obama has nothing to do with HRC.

Of course, I've never had any confidence in either of them.