Can we please stop it, just stop calling Corsi gay?

[dsc]

I posted this thread a couple of weeks ago:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3730297

We have tried shame, we have tried satire, we have tried alerting, we have tried it all. Yet we still see these threads. Over and over and over again we see being gay equated not only with the worst people the GOP has to offer but things such as pedeophilia, and raping animals. What on earth do we have to do to get you all to stop this. I know you think you are harming Corsi. But you are also hurting your gay friends. Please stop, just stop.

[Name removed]

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[babylonsister]

2. Rec'd, and thanks.

People can be insensitive, myself included. Lesson drilled into my head now. :hi:

[dsc]

22. thanks

That is cool that you changed on this.

[babylonsister]

26. No,

I didn't change. I never try to demean people. I did respond to a post earlier when someone called Corsi a pedophile, and thought nothing of it. Now I will. So thanks for pointing out that it's demeaning; I really hadn't thought about it.

[Bluenorthwest]

88. Well...

Just so you are clear, a pedophile is usually a straight married man. Most pedophiles are heterosexual 'family' men. Just so you understand.

[Marrah_G]

3. Some folks don't grasp the harm that is done

But they should be listening to you and realizing how damaging that kind of thinking can be.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

5. Yes, if folks want to do what THEY do to us then do it where THEY are

[Marrah_G]

12. ~blink~

I totally need more coffee..........

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

27. Sorry... the "THEY" is republicans

[KittyWampus]

21. sometimes it's good to have a gentle reminder

[npincus]

4. it's about the hypocrisy; gay is not a pejorative at DU.

[dsc]

8. there is zero evidence that Corsi is gay

and also no evidence that he is anti gay.

[npincus]

23. you're kidding, right?

"there's no evidence that Corsi is anti-gay"? Really?

That Corsi is a card-carrying member of the Constituion Party- he is NOT a Republican, and is on record saying he will not vote for McCain, but the CP candidate.

From the Consitution Party Platform:

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform_print.php#

Family

The law of our Creator defines marriage as the union between one man and one woman. The marriage covenant is the foundation of the family, and the family is fundamental in the maintenance of a stable, healthy and prosperous social order. No government may legitimately authorize or define marriage or family relations contrary to what God has instituted. We are opposed to amending the U.S. Constitution for the purpose of defining marriage.

We reject the notion that sexual offenders are deserving of legal favor or special protection, and affirm the rights of states and localities to proscribe offensive sexual behavior. We oppose all efforts to impose a new sexual legal order through the federal court system. We stand against so-called "sexual orientation" and "hate crime" statutes that attempt to legitimize inappropriate sexual behavior and to stifle public resistance to its expression. We oppose government funding of "partner" benefits for unmarried individuals. Finally, we oppose any legal recognition of homosexual unions.


Is that good enough for you? Aside from the fact that he has a long history as a member of the gay-unfriendly FreeRepublic.com, and blogs on the rabid, RW extremist WorldnetDaliy.com...


OK, well how about a collection of Corsi's own quotes:



http://journals.aol.com/outkast1564/LyingLiars/entries/2005/05/27/deconstructing-jerome-corsi/200

“Maybe while he's there he can tell the UN what he's going to do about the sexual crimescommitted by "priests" in his "Church" during his tenure. Or, maybe that's the connection -- boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press. (03/03/2003, FreeRepublic.com), “So this is what the last days of the Catholic Church are going to look like. Buggering boys undermines the moral base and the laywers rip the gold off the Vatican altars. We may get one more Pope, when this senile one dies, but that's probably about it.”(12/16/2002, FreeRepublic.com), “Think the liberal press will ever let out that these 2 were lovers -- typical Islamic boy-buggering -- older man, younger man -- black Muslims? I doubt it. Not a pretty picture, but one certain to be hidden by PC media.” (11/08/2002, FreeRepublic.com), “Isn't the Democratic Party the official SODOMIZER PROTECTION ASSOCIATION of AMERICA -- oh, I forgot, it was just an accident that Clintoon's first act in office was to promote "gays in the military." RAGHEADS are Boy-Bumpers as clearly as they are Women-Haters -- it all goes together.”(11/18/2001, FreeRepublic.com), “Perfect Liberal -- lesbian, self-absorbed, hates America, anxious to impose her values on everybody else. ” (06/26/2002, FreeRepublic.com), “And now we get Pooh-LEFTY pushed on us by the RATS as Minority Leader in the House -- here come the SanFrancisco liberals -- hope the RATS go back to focusing the debate on gay marriages and other pro-choice topics close to Pelosi's heart.” (11/18/2002, FreeRepublic.com). Corsi is also widely noted for his Jew-baiting, his Muslim-baiting, and generally his everything-under-the-sun-baiting. Patriotic American values, to be sure. But he reserves his greatest wrath for homosexuality (note the obsession with “boy-buggering”) and John Kerry.


Respectfully, any allusion to Corsi's being gay is no disrepect for homosexuality, but rather the hypocrisy of his own vile attitued and efforts to deny the rights and humaity of our gay brothers and sisters... in the mold of a LONG LINE of RW hypocrties leading the life in private that they scorn in public.

[musicblind]

51. Wow that is some fucked up shit

I had never heard of the constitution party but wow... what fucked up shit.

[Hippo_Tron]

82. Sounds like the Constitution Party would do well to actually read the Constitution

[Bluenorthwest]

89. So call him a shithead

Call him a nut case. Call him evil. Call him late for dinner.

But don't use the name of my community as an insult.
If you understand why Corsi is a bag of crap, then you should also understand why it is wrong to use his tactics.

A hypocrite is called a hypocrite, my friend, like this: You are a hypocrite.
Not by calling them gay. When you do that, you insult me and mine. Dig it. Let your yes be yes, your no be no. Call a crook a crook and a liar a liar.

[JackBeck]

16. "It's about the hypocrisy"...never heard that one before.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3749213

There's more evidence that "family values" Wingers are pedophiles, wife abusers, and adulterers than there is that they are closet cases.

Why not just call them for what they really are, instead of insinuating that they are gay?

[npincus]

28. read post #24 and get back to me.

[terrya]

30. I read post # 24 and there's still not one bit of evidence to suggest he's gay.

Not all gay people are saints. Hell, I know that. I don't exactly swell with pride knowing that J. Edgar Hoover and Roy Cohn were gay. But, is it asking too goddamned much to request that homosexuality not be used to smear anyone you despise? To not use homosexuality to smear one's political enemies?

[JackBeck]

34. I never claimed he wasn't anti-gay, so I still don't see his hypocrisy.

If he practiced the things he denounces, then he would be a hypocrite. For instance, if he cheated on his wife.

If you were to read the link I provided, you'd see that there are many things that wingers are guilty of which can be referenced to expose their hypocrisy.

Why DUers continue to chose the gay route, instead of the more obvious ones, is beyond me.

[yardwork]

33. I absolutely agree with that. Gay is not a pejorative on DU.

The problem is that gay is a pejorative on Free Republic and almost every right-wing site. That makes it easy to slide into mocking right-wingers for being gay because it's another example of their hypocrisy.

You're absolutely right. We need to be more careful about cruelty here on DU. I'll be more careful.

[blondeatlast]

6. Indeed; there's more evidence that he married his cousin (Wikipedia) and beats his wife.

(Google)

[Honeycombe8]

7. Where's the link to someone saying in a derogatory way that Corsi is gay?

You provided a link to a post about why doing that is a bad thing to do....but no link to the source for the cause of your post.

It is possible, after all, that someone would say that someone is gay in the context of it being a reason to take a certain position on an issue. That is not derogatory. But if something derogatory WAS said...there should be a link to it, IMO.

[LostinVA]

101. SHOOSH

[dsc]

9. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6644095

[terrya]

14. Thank you. I just alerted on that filth.

Gosh, sometimes it seems like Joe McCarthy, circa 1953, in here.

[blondeatlast]

17. I'm sorry I responded to that. I've deleted my post and alerted the mods.

My apologies; I should have thought first.

[terrya]

10. It's the first thing some people around here use to smear right wingers.

And I'm gay and I think it's shameful and disgusting.

[Barack_America]

11. I would suggest we stop with the Corsi threads altogether...

But yes, the "Corsi is gay" thing is totally played-out and insulting.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

79. Amen.

[ruggerson]

13. That's because this place is jack full of homophobes

who think of themselves as progressives, but who would literally knife us in the back at any given opportunity.

[tridim]

15. That's BS if you're not being sarcastic.

[terrya]

18. Is it?

ruggerson is hardly the first person to point that out. There are quite a few GLBT DU'ers, including myself, who think there's a strain of barely disguised homophobia here.

[tridim]

24. No doubt there are homophobes on DU, bigots too..

That's the nature of every public forum on the Internet.

But to say DU is chock full of homophobes who "literally" want to stab gay people is offensive to this heterosexual, non-homophobic, long-time DU'er.

It's a broad brush smear.

[Solon]

53. Its true though...

As another Heterosexual DUer who is not a homophobe, I see homophobia being displayed all the time. At best, DU is, in general, insensitive to GLBT people.

[Bluenorthwest]

90. If it offends you

Don't try to censor the truth. Try to change it. I have read the worst crap on this board. It is chock full o' nuts and phobes. If that insults someone who's not, imagine what it is like to hear every damn villian called gay?
I'm not really concerned with insulting those who are in power, hold all the cards and also hold a superior position under the fucking law. Let them be insutled. If they don't take a stand, they desreve to be painted with the same brush as their breathern who are full bigots. Sorry. Those who hold the coats are also guilty of the stoning.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. its true.

[JoFerret]

44. What makes you think that?

.

[tridim]

61. Because it's offensive that DU is being labelled a homophobic hate site, when it clearly isn't.

[JoFerret]

70. Nobody is saying that

Why so prickly? Where is the evidence?

[ruggerson]

63. If you don't think these attitudes

foster the kind of environments that can result in gay bashing, then we're going to have to politely disagree on this.

[LostinVA]

102. It's not the least bit BS

The homophobia on here is horrible, although the transphobia is worse.

[Marrah_G]

106. it's because there are less trans

People fear what they do not know. People hate what they fear.

Most of it comes down to sheer ignorance.

[JoFerret]

20. I doubt literally

but without doubt homophobia is alive and thriving here as elsewhere.

And let's not get started on misogyny.

But the good thing is - it does get called out and sometimes attention gets paid even if the "lesson" does not always sink in.

[zabet]

36. Literally it is here...sadly

This list starts at 2003 and ends up in 2008...

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Source with thread titles: http://news.lavenderliberal.com/2008/08/07/lgbt-duers-you-cant-call-out-the-homophobes-but-we-can/

[hiaasenrocks]

38. And don't forget the misandry.

And the religionphobes. There's a lot of bigotry everywhere.

[ruggerson]

62. tell us all about your lack of civil rights due to people disrespecting your religion

tell us how it affects your daily life.

[Zhade]

85. Religion is chosen. Sexual orientation is not. World of difference.

NT!

[LostinVA]

104. That's becasue homophobia, transphobia, and misogyny all all sides of the same coin

If a coin could have three sides.

[hiaasenrocks]

37. A little dramatic, don't you think? Geez.

[Bluenorthwest]

92. Answer the questions

How does 'reiligiphobia' affect your daily life or your equality under the law? Can you answer that?

[Beregond2]

25. This is something I watch with amazement myself.

And what particularly gets me is the fact that gays themselves are the first to do it. Of course it makes sense to call right-wing gays on their hypocrisy, but it often manifests as; "He's gay!" which doesn't make the point, and sounds like gay-baiting.

[LostinVA]

105. I have never seen gay DUers or people I kno0w IRL do this

[jumptheshadow]

29. Thank you

The wingnuts often equate homosexuality and bestiality.

There's a cartoonist at the New York Post, for example, who almost always draws a dolled-up animal into any images about a gay person or gay people.

Then there's Rick Santorum...

It's not cool to see stuff like this on DU.

[FloridaJudy]

31. You mean the dude *has* a sex life??

With actual people? Ewwwwww!! :puke: I'm going to have to bleach my brain after that particular mental image!

Honestly, that guy looks like a serial household appliance molester if I've ever seen one. I just can't imagine anyone of any gender willingly bumping uglies - in this case an appropriate euphemism - with the creep. Maybe if they did, he wouldn't be such a miserable, joyless scumbag. But it would be hard to imagine the amount of cash up front and the full body condom it would take.

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[Metric System]

46. NOT NOW, dammit! We're having a serious conversation here. Don't you have any manners? Your mother

must be proud. By the time I'm done with you, you'll be renamed the ShamedBot.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

75. Govelbot can't help it.

He's gay.

KIDDING. Totally and completely KIDDING.

[Bluenorthwest]

91. There is the good Christian homophobe at it again.

Kidding. Totally and completley KIDDING.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

35. Good news. The "gay=goat-fucker" post was deleted, not just locked.

[Prophet 451]

39. Never did, but...

I have no idea if he's gay or not. He is a scum-sucking, bottom-feeding, rumour-mongering, shameless, exploitative, unfeeling, uncaring, conscienceless, overly famous, untalented, boviating, hubristic, ammoral boil on the backside of humanity.

Oh, and he fucks squirrel monkeys. Just sayin'.

[QC]

40. Every vile, filthy person on earth has been called gay on DU.

It's Corsi's turn now.

[Metric System]

45. So, um, doesn't that equate being gay with being vile and filthy?

[QC]

49. Yes it does, which is the problem.

Too many "progressives" think that 'gay' is the worst name one can be called.

[dsc]

55. It does when only they are called that

and most of them aren't gay.

[grantcart]

41. excellent post

sorry I missed your earlier post and hope that everything is going well at your job. I suspect you will find more support than you think. Good Luck!!

[dsc]

42. thanks

I think things will go well. But I am a little nervous too.

[grantcart]

74. don't be. Either they will understand and support you or they don't and you will be a change

agent that will help them move into the future.

[dsc]

76. truth be known it isn't likely to be a shock to my upper class students

though my freshmen may be a little taken aback. In any case, we are winning this war overall.

[DevonRex]

43. K&R. We must not be the problem we wish to solve. If we

contribute to gay bashing, how on earth do we expect Republicans to clean up their act? We know the difference between right and wrong. At least most of the republicans actually believe that kind of BS. But we don't. So when we do it, it's even worse.

[The Doctor.]

47. Well, is 'gay' being used as a perjorative or just speculation/accusation?

If intended as an insult, then yeah, it's inappropriate. If people are merely accusing him of being gay, that, in and of itself is not necessarily an insult.

[dsc]

50. Oh please

We always accuse people of things we find benefital and good.

[The Doctor.]

54. Missed the point.

If people are just trying to suggest that Corsi is a hypocrite, then the insult isn't that 'he's gay', it's that he's a hypocrite.

Calling someone 'gay' as an epithet is obviously wrong. But that doesn't mean that RW smearmongers can't be secretly gay. If someone has a reason to believe Corsi may be gay, are you suggesting they are not allowed openly speculate?

THAT was the point of my original question; to make the distinction in how the word 'gay' is applied.


So let me ask you; does your OP address me if I say; "Jerome Corsi is so rabidly anti-gay, I'll bet he's actually gay himself."?

If not, do you have examples of people using it as a singular epithet?

[Solon]

56. Calling them gay without evidence that they are is using it as a perjorative...

and is frankly, while it may not be a homophobic, it is sophomoric in the extreme. In order for someone to be a hypocrite, their actions have to be inconsistent with their words. May fun of REAL hypocrites, don't project your own issues regarding gay people onto others.

[The Doctor.]

59. "MY issues regarding gay people"?!? I do beg your pardon.

MY issues are with hypocrites who go about trying to make a segment of the population suffer as second-class citizens. When those same people are gay, then they are obviously conflicted, self-loathing assholes. If the speculation that they are actually gay, regardless of evidence, is to suggest they are self-loathing hypocrites, then that they are self-loathing hypocrites is the insult, not the suggestion that they are 'gay'.

I'm talking about intent here. If I suggest Corsi is gay, I'm not saying that Corsi being a sick, lying sack of shit is a quality that makes him 'gay', I'm suggesting that he may be living a lie and therefore a hypocrite. I am unlikely to do so without good cause, of course.

Some juvenile minds will use 'gay' as an insult, and where that is done, it's obviously wrong.


Please tell me two things; 1) You understand the distinction. 2) You meant the non-specific 'your'.

[JoFerret]

71. Whatever

(your pardon is begged)

[The Doctor.]

77. Don't you have some place else to be irritating and pointless?

[dsc]

57. there is zero evidence the Corsi is gay

and at best limited evidence Corsi is virulently anti gay. Why don't we say he has black ancestors that would make him a hypocrite given his racial attitudes.

[The Doctor.]

60. That's irrelevant to intention.

There is a distinction between using 'gay' as an insult and suggesting a homophobic asshole may be a hypocrite by way of calling him 'gay'.

I'm really stunned that you can't seem to make that distinction. Please tell me you can.

[dsc]

66. that is ludricrious

It has everything to do with it. It is one thing to call out people who are actual known hypocrites and quite another to use bigotted criteria to assume a person is gay and then condemn his alleged hypocrisy.

[The Doctor.]

69. Suggesting a homophobe is 'gay' is suggesting hypocrisy,

not necessarily that they are 'gay' because they are homophobic. Either way, I'm drawing an obvious distinction between calling someone a hypocrite by suggesting they're gay and calling someone 'gay' as an insult.

I'm really amazed you can't see that.

[dsc]

72. If the man actually were gay

but there is zero evidence he is.

[The Doctor.]

78. I know, I'm just making the distinction.

[JoFerret]

99. You seem rather obsessed with this topic.

Why is that?

[The Doctor.]

100. Can't you find someone else to stalk?

[Zhade]

86. Uh, why don't people just say "hypocrite" then?

Hmmm?

[The Doctor.]

97. To characterize the hypocrisy.

[jumptheshadow]

95. The "Corsi is gay" statement is being used with insults

DSC, I am answering your post because I don't want to dignify some of the other responses here.

The intent behind the "Corsi is gay" comments speaks for itself because it is just one comment among many others that are specifically intended as insults about Corsi.

It is obvious that "Corsi is gay" is intended as an insult because of the context in which it is used.

The subthread about chickens above is outrageously homophobic in an integrated public forum and is rubbing salt into the original wound.

[dsc]

96. thank you

I wanted to respond to the chicken fucking stuff but thought I might be off base.

[The Doctor.]

98. If that's how people are using it, then it's wrong.

Meanwhile, it seems the point of the chickens went right over your head.

[musicblind]

48. Kick and Rec

:kick:

[Name removed]

52. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Mabus]

58. A K&R

Thank you for speaking up.

:thumbsup:

[pecwae]

64. Rec'd.

A damn shame it has to be posted repeatedly with seemingly little effect.

[Occam Bandage]

65. Sure. I haven't seen anyone calling him gay, but I guess one must have existed.

[Spazito]

67. I agree, if that is happening, it is despicable...

I haven't seen any posts doing that but that does not mean it has not happened.

Recommended.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

68. Can I call him a worthless, scum-sucking sub-human piece of shit

that I wouldn't use to line my cat's box with? Howabout a batshit crazy lying asswipe that should be stood on his head in a barrel full of live squid?

:evilgrin:

[NashVegas]

73. I'm Really Sorry

y'all're having to deal with this crap.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

80. K&R.

[ZombieHorde]

81. K&R

[TayTay]

83. Every time I see Corsi

I think of this Stephen Lynch video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYZtXEkPPPA

Way better match, all things considered.

[BigBearJohn]

84. Corsi: "Chickens? YUK -- sheep? NOW you're talking... but only young ones"

[AZBlue]

87. K&R

[IndianaJones]

93. homophobia is a widely practiced form of bigotry...why would this board be any different? nt.

[Tindalos]

94. There are many other ways to attack him.

There are many ways to attack Corsi, some of them the truth and others to be imagined up by DUers. Homosexuality should not be used as an insult. Even if he were gay, he should not be attack for it. That is no different than attacking someone for their race, skin colour, gender, etc. If you tell me he is gay, I say "so what?". There is nothing wrong with being gay.

[LynneSin]

103. The only people we should call gay are people who are gay

I even correct my nephews when they they use the "That's Gay" to something they don't like. After a few years they even correct their friends when they do that.

[LostinVA]

107. Whatever -- you're such a closet case, Sissie

We were at the in-laws for dinner yesterday, and told everyone about your PICKING UP A HUGE SPIDER WITH YOUR BARE HANDS!!!! Everyone shuddered mightily in revulsion and amazement.

[LynneSin]

108. Wow, it's almost going to be a year for you 2

I know that because it's almost going to be a year for owning my house too.

[LostinVA]

109. We were talking about that yesterday, too

In less than a month!