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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 09:51 AM
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State polls show increasingly tight race.
www.electoral-vote.com uses averages of recent state polls.

A month ago, Obama had a big lead in electoral votes there.

Now it's only Obama 275, McCain 250.

Here in Minnesota, it's now Obama 46%, McCain 42%, which is the closest I've seen it.

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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 09:55 AM
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After eight years of Bush and months of McCain's pathetic attempts
at campaigning, this is unbelievable. This election ought to be the one where we win it with the proverbial yellow dog.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:05 AM
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5. this is the election where we show whether this nation is a majority of racists
or not... no other way to see it, as Obama's policies were more progressive than all DEMS other than Kucinich and Edwards. MSNBC had that color coding chart that showed how "blue" a candidate was, Obama was very blue.

The disgusting thing about this all, is that this election, with a black man in it, shows the racism in certain states - you notice Obama is running strong on the West coast, and Northeast coast - but he's lagging somewhat in the Midwest, where he should have double digits leads (after such a horrible 8 year presidency coming to a thud). Yes, I think a white person would be doing better in those states (OH, FL, CO, etc) because of racism, but, Obama should carry the other states strongly, and squeak out some wins in either CO, OH, etc to win this. I just wish we'd call racism out when we see it (like from the PUMA's who are so obviously racist inside).

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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:26 AM
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8. Hold on there
Unless you're being facetious, are you really saying that a person can't disagree with Obama without being a racist? How about someone opposing his policies?

Not everything is proof of racism.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 01:08 PM
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15. I stronly disagree
Edited on Fri Aug-15-08 01:09 PM by themartyred
if you're comparing Kucinich to Obama - YES, you're right - there's a strong argument for discussion.

if you're comparing a choice between warmongering, anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-environment, anti-energy independence, anti-peace, continue things as they are John McCain - to Obama's policies on the same issue - and still aren't supporting Obama and voting for him - then yes, I strongly disagree.

We're on the verge of a depression, and a McCain presidency will bring it on, an Obama presidency will probably be a recession filled event for most of the first term, but we understand why. I cannot imagine these PUMA people and that silly man in the video put up the other day, really care about these issues...
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 01:11 PM
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17. sorry
I recognize the right of people to disagree on policy, principle, etc. I can't believe that everyone who picks McCain over Obama is a racist.

In Maryland, Michael Steele (who is black) ran as a Repub. Are the white Dems who voted against him racist?

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 01:13 PM
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18. I'm not talking about them, why are you? my discussion with you
is about Obama vs. McCain - and anyone who's a professed Democrat like the PUMA people, or those who back another DEM/Liberal really hurt themselves by not voting for Obama and progressing this country forward. That's my point. I have no clue about the person Steele is, versus the other candidate, and it wasn't my focus at all.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 09:55 AM
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1. pollster.com is better than EV in my opinion. nt
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 09:57 AM
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2. Should be expected
Anyone thinking this is going to be a landslide is mistaken. Dems have only won three of the last ten presidencies. And Clinton didn't even get over 50% of the popular vote. So how do we expect a young, inexperienced politician (at least on the national stage), who is also black, to win in a landslide. This will be a close, state-by-state battle for every vote.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:01 AM
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3. I don't disagree; but McCain is soooooooooo bad it's hard to believe
he could win against anybody.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:04 AM
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4. I hear ya
I remember in '96 thinking, "Bob Dole?!?! That's the best you can do -- Bob Dole?!" It was clear to everyone that it would be a romp. McCain should inspire similar feelings, but I think this race is a lot more in doubt than the '96 race.

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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 05:00 PM
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19. I fear you are right. We might even actually lose; but I think another stolen
election is more likely.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:08 AM
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6. Some light
Look at the categories of Strong and Weak for each. Obama has 250 already. McCain has 85 in the "barely" column, which pads his total. And VA and NC are TIED. That is huge news really because McCain should win both based on history. If Obama can win in VA and NC, the election is his.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:15 AM
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7. does every poll in MN show Obama only leading by four? I'll bet there will be another MN poll
which will give him a bigger lead out soon and everybody will say "We dont' have to worry about MN". Polls are up and down. Obama hasn't even yet selected a VP or had his convention. We haven't had a major fall campaign yet. The debates haven't happened. We have lots of positives. Obama continues to lead in many states or is close in many states in state polls and nationally. We have more money. We have a better organization, campaign offices,etc.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:36 AM
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9. The McCain we know is not known out there. Thanks, media. All that should change after convention.
This Georgia provocation to benefit McCain is so dangerous, and no media will discuss it in the open.

Ads alone won't change it. We'll get more exposure on TV with a replay of our ads, but we need to barrage the media with criticism of its bias. Some pundits have been through this process too many times to think another presidency will make a difference. They don't take their power seriously, and we have to remind them that its their economy. A replay of bad foreign policy will affect them, too.

Some of it may get past their corporate masters.

If our reps and senators aren't supporting Obama, vocally, forcefully, smartly, we need to call them on it. No waiting for the next election, as happened on the last one.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:53 AM
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10. What makes you think all will change after the conventions? I fear
Edited on Fri Aug-15-08 11:07 AM by Benhurst
the media will goose-step in unison with the Republicans through the election and into the next administration, whether or not they manage to pull off an "upset" (theft) for the third presidential election in a row.

And while I've been as cynical as any when it comes to our "leaders" not speaking up, there is the matter of its not being reported by the corporate press when they do. It's the old conundrum, if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it, did it make a noise? If a politician speaks out and nobody in the corporate media covers it, did he really speak out at all?
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:58 AM
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13. Why will Big Media suddenly become honest after the convention?
They want McSame to win. It will get worse after the conventions.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:56 AM
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11. Big Media will win this for McSame
and every election for the GOP until it (Big Media) goes up in flames. We're headed for some sort of national catharsis - either WW III or something out of the Turner Diaries. Until then get used to living under King Karl
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:56 AM
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12. FYI, Rasmussen just reported a bunch of polls today...
That's what is driving these results.

So the question you need to ask yourself is how much you trust Rasmussen.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 11:54 AM
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14. Was Rasmussen wrong during the primaries? NT
NT
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 01:10 PM
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16. Obama needs to do some major character assassination on McCain.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 05:04 PM
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20. FYI The party ID numbers in MN from Rasmussen changed dramatically from their last poll there
Republican ID was up +6 Democrat ID -3 ... does anyone really think that can happen in 3 weeks? I wonder what the motivation is for Rasmussen.
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