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vivalarev Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:04 PM
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Looks like mainstream media is pissed at Jon Stewart now....
Edited on Tue Aug-24-04 04:04 PM by vivalarev
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5809660/

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In fact, Stewart's show has so much buzz during this election, it's annoying some of the traditional TV newsies.

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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:06 PM
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1. I'd be upset if a comedian did my job better than me.
These media people are so lazy it's disgusting.
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vivalarev Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:08 PM
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6. Hell....
my bulldog can do a better job than the mainstream media and all he can do is bark and fart!!!
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:08 PM
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7. May I correct your spelling?
It's spelled sLeAZY. (tickled) And yep it is sooo disgusting.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:06 PM
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2. Jealousy.
n/t
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:06 PM
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3. Well GEE guys, maybe if you "journalists" did your jobs . . .
. . . we wouldn't have to turn to a comedy show to get the news. There, that wasn't too hard to grasp, now was it?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:07 PM
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4. I think it's a BRILLIANT move.
It reaches young, INTELLIGENT, voters and shows he has a sense of humor.

Okay, so I'm 45, but still, I love the show.

I can't WAIT!!!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:10 PM
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9. Agree - what's a more "mainstream" appearance?
O'Reilly? Hannity & Colmes? Michael Savage? Dennis Miller? Wolf Blitzer Distorts? Nightline (airing at 11:30 PM or whatever ungodly hour it's on)?

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vivalarev Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:12 PM
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14. Its more than that....
The Daily Show has become a real phenomenon over the past few years. Most intelligent Americans realize how blatantly biased the mainstream media has become, and so theyve turned to the Daily Show where no punches will be pulled.

Im not a part of the "young voters" anymore either, and niether are any of my friends and family, but we all watch TDS to get the "real" news.

Just ask Ted Koppel....
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:08 PM
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5. Link not working for me...
but I hope what ever rage they turn on Jon Stewart turns into alot of the young voters coming out for Kerry.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:09 PM
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8. Maybe they'll wake up and realize just how irrelevant
They've become!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:10 PM
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10. Here is the best part of the article:
Edited on Tue Aug-24-04 04:17 PM by Pirate Smile
"All of us are just blown away by the turn the campaign has taken," Karlin said. "We cannot believe that this is what is being talked about at this juncture. It's so astounding to us. We are trying to work through our amazement and to conduct a meaningful conversation absent of incredulity, because is not going to go anywhere if you just say, 'What the 'expletive' is going on?' "

Karlin said he will nonetheless suggest that that be the first question Stewart puts to Kerry tonight.

"If you just want to pinpoint the success of the Republican Party and Bush, this is a perfect case study," Karlin continued, "because George W. Bush has put a moratorium on talk about his behavior under the age of 40 and everyone is abiding by it. 'Were you or were you not an alcoholic or did you just have a drinking problem?,' 'Were you or were you not a drug abuser?' Meanwhile they're debating whether wounds drew blood or were they superficial, or occurred in the same day, or whether he shot a guy wearing a toga. . . . How is that possible?"

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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:22 PM
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23. I just copied that exact section to paste here!
Beat me to it Pirate!

I laughed out loud at least twice!!!!! ("TOGA"????????)
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:25 PM
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24. It is just so damn true and ridiculous. Should we compare what these
men both did in their 20's and 30's? The media is giving Kerry a hard time? mind-blowing - and only the Daily Show or maybe Olberman would point that out. It is INSANE!
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:35 PM
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38. ". . . trying to conduct a meaningful conversation"?????????
Oh, yeah, RIGHT. Give me a fucking break.

If they were trying to have a meaningful conversation, they wouldn't be hyping the SwiftLiars commercial every fifteen seconds. They'd be TALKING about the fucking economy. They'd be TALKING about the fucking war. They'd be INVESTIGATING Halliburton. They'd be EXPOSING Tom DeLay's crooked fund raising. They'd be TURNING THE SPOTLIGHT on John O'Neill's ties to Nixon and DeLay and boosh. They'd be DIGGING OUT THE DOCUMENTS on boosh's TANG service.

They're as big liars as the swiftboatfrauds. They like the way they're doing their jobs 'cause it's easy, it's fun, and it brings in big bucks. Now they're just pissed because someone is REALLY doing their job, doing it FUNNY, and getting recognized for it.

They can go piss up a rope.


Tansy Gold, over 50 and a huge TDSwJS fan
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:11 PM
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11. Anyone pick-up on the title of the article?
"Seriously, Kerry picks 'Daily Show' for Interview"

I thought it funny that the author used one of Jon Stewart's trademark speech habits.

"Seriously, ..."
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:11 PM
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12. Just read the link....
taht reporter needs to get her claws filed down (Note: this is Not a sexist remark...read the damm article and see if I'm not right).
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vivalarev Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:15 PM
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19. Well, of course shes catty....
shes one of them...I have never read an article by this woman talking about bush's days as a full-blown alcoholic.

This appearance on TDS slaps every single one of those goddamn bush media whores right upside their ugly heads!
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:12 PM
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13. jon's show is much more REAL
than the so called real news..its really rather pathetic the state of the real media

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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:26 PM
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26. Only TDS
called Cheney on lying by showing him saying one thing than another. All the other news programs have bigger budgets and better access and not one of them put the two clips together.

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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:48 PM
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43. i agree
and the sensitivity thing w,bush as well
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:12 PM
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15. Jealous is more like it
what, did they think he'd pick O'Reilly?
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:13 PM
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16. I hope they elevate those couch cushions...
the guest is always looks right into
the fat part of Stewart's tie when he
or she is interviewed.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:13 PM
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17. A comedian and a jock are among our finest journalists
Jon Stewart and Keith Olbermann.

Bless those boys.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:14 PM
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18. Great quotes--called Ted Koppel a "whiner"
"A lot of television viewers — more, quite frankly, than I'm comfortable with — get their news from the Comedy Channel on a program called 'The Daily Show,' " "Nightline" anchor Ted Koppel whined to his viewers in a telecast from the Democratic convention in Boston.

::::::::and this gem:::::::::::

"the Comedy Central program would try especially hard to resemble an actual TV news show tonight during its Kerry encounter.

::::::::now if only the networks would make that pledge!! ::::::::
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:30 PM
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31. Lol! All they CAN do is 'resemble' their former selves.
I saw Ted Koppel's interview with Jon at the Dem Convention, and I thought he was going to lick Jon's boots. The envy was very clear.
Jon did correct Koppel about Daily Show's function, insisting people don't come to his show for news, but rather for the interpretation of the news.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:33 PM
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35. "I analyze, you do research"
Bill O'Reilly to Paul Krugman on Hardball last week.
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CarolynEC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:15 PM
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20. Loved the tone of the column...
... shows just how vapid and self-absorbed these so-called journalists are. Mad at Kerry for choosing TDS, completely unable to ponder why.

Now, please excuse me while I go weep over my old Journalism degree, from way back in 1986 when the occasional fact still made it into the paper.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:15 PM
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21. At least The Daily Show
talks about politics. Where's the pique at * giving an exclusive interview to Fishing with Roland Martin?
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:16 PM
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22. Do you think they will make such a big deal when Bush appears on Dr. Phil?
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:25 PM
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25. Is there ANY way for us noncable/satellite people to view the Kerry
interview with Jon Stewart?
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:36 PM
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39. It will probably be available here:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 05:17 PM
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47. Thanks!
eom
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:26 PM
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27. Gee, do you think they might think about DOING THEIR JOBS???
Just asking
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:28 PM
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30. Hell, Jon got Wolf Blitzer to admit the media failed in its job
leading up to the Iraq war, but that hasn't stopped Wolf from continuing to fail to do his job.

Maybe that is why they like Bush, they appreciate a fellow loser.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:27 PM
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28. It took em' this long to get pissed?
It figures not only are they lazy, sleazy, and jealous as has been pointed out they are slackers that think they are running with the big boys (elitists) they are sell outs to the man and the dollar and yellow bellies!!

So will they be annoyed enough to do their jobs?

Of course not they will only whine:cry: make excuses and play victim, humph! how Republican of them. :eyes:
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:32 PM
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33. Jon completely destroyed broadcast "journalists" last night
if you missed it, catch the re-run tonight.

As to the question "can I see it if I don't have cable" they post clips at The Daily Show site after the show. Since this is going to an "extended" one, I'm not sure this will be posted, but check. Or have a friend tape it for you.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:35 PM
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36. Yep, no question. That's MUST SEE TV
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:28 PM
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Answer: How would that help? BRILLIANT (eom)
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:28 PM
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29. Maybe if they did their fucking jobs right
The Daily Show actually tells the whole story and not to mention is hilarious.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:31 PM
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32. Why Don't They Do Their Jobs, Dumbass Groupthinkers!
So many times I've seen Jon ask questions that NOBODY ELSE WILL ASK....
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:33 PM
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34. Sets a warning to the media
Good reporting gets rewarded with access.

It isn't like Jon hasn't taken more than one or two pop-shots at Kerry, especially regarding Kerry's speaking style.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:35 PM
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37. I think Jon has been pretty sweet to Kerry in comparison
Then again, when all the awful stories are coming out of the bush* white house, then that is where the satire should be directed.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:37 PM
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40. Obviously the sitting President gets most of the heat
But Jon hasn't been kissing Kerry's ass.

I'm just saying that despite the fact that Jon isn't an absolute 'safe haven' his show is being awarded this interview because Jon has integrity and credibility.
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:44 PM
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41. Flattery, resentment, emulation?
We all have seen the pattern of slow-witted emulation of any successful experiment in media.
Rather than trying to "out-fox Fox" will some now try to get some of that DS magic?
That's gotta be an improvement...maybe.
Will they be any good at it, or just lame sequels?
Ref: Jaws 2. Robocop 2.
:P

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:47 PM
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42. Projection. They should be angry at THEMSELVES
Edited on Tue Aug-24-04 04:49 PM by tom_paine
for becoming a global laughingstock and a carnivalesque cacophonous version of Soviet Pravda (but not as hamfisted).
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:52 PM
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44. These Guys Have Fact Checkers
Apparently, the Vietnam War was fought in the 1970's (well, actually...).

If only they used these guys during that whole, you know, "Iraq War" build up, we wouldn't be a 1000 guys short in the military.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:56 PM
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45. This could be huge.
This might be just the venue to blast those grudge-holding frauds.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 05:16 PM
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46. Well, MEEEEEE-OWWWW, Lisa
With all that whining about "real" news programs, why don't you try being one!

"Reporter" Rob Corrdrey (sp?) had it right on last night when I watched the Daily Show:

No matter how ludicrous or outrageous the spin coming from one side (i.e, Bush), these pathetic "real" reporters just 'repeat what one side says and then repeat what the other side says.'

Clue one for Lisa: Objective analysis from a "real" news source means you spell it out when one side (i.e., Bush) is spewing unsupportable crap. You don't buy into it lock, stock, and barrel.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 05:22 PM
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48. Kerry made a excellent choice choosing TDS!
Sour grapes from these so called "journalists". Pathetic!

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 05:46 PM
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49. Does anyone else think Olbermann has been emulating TDS?
I think of all the real news shows COUNTDOWN has been the most smilar to the Daily Show in content and approach.

Anyone else think so?
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 02:26 PM
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50. Remorseless, calculated irrationality and the irony required to combat it.
Edited on Wed Aug-25-04 02:34 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
Just heard a CNN talking head seeking to trivialize Kerry's appearance on Stewart's show, instead of a "serious" news programme. It should have been hilarious to hear, but actually the effect was emetic.

The truth is that Stewart (indeed all satirists) and Kerry played the "straight man" to the actual "comedian", in the person of the neo-cons and their myrmidons of the news media, whom they were ridiculing. And it is the only way to deal with concerted repetition of the "Big Lie" (irrationality, the truth stood on its head), particularly when expressed on so many themes by an immensely cynical and purposeful, political adversary. Remember, Yossarian, who was supposed to be the head banger, was actually the straight man in Catch 22.

Stewart and Kerry were doing what the philosopher, Popper, refused to do with regard to his critics, i.e. as he put it, ".. to jump into a whirlpool, to stab a drowning man in the back". Popper could afford that luxury, as time was on his side.

Popper's response to his student's question was a version of the dictum that when a wise man argues with a fool, you get two fools. That, however is if the wise man deals with the folly of the clown or crook on his terms, not on his own. A politician, certainly while in opposition, cannot argue with irrationality, least of all irrationality when purveyed by powerful vested interests controlling the news media.

I think it was Stewart who suggested that perhaps he should be like the real newspeople and concentrate on a few swift-boat operations in Vietnam 40 years ago. Because he expressed it ironically, sarcastically, it had immense power. People have made the same point with respect and solemnity about the perjured madness of the media's coverage of US politics, as if it were as rational and adult as their own stance, and consequently, it simply doesn't register.

When the straight man holds up the "Big Lie" to ridicule, the latter is put into its true perspective and it chimes with the commonsense understanding of the audience. If it is solemnly argued, on the other hand, the audience naturally feels there must be at least an element of "he said", "she said", and is likely to feel uncomfortable.

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