This year I have finally begun to see...

[butterfly77]

that there is a real problem in the so called Democratic party. They are mainly Blue Dog democrats which really are Republicons,who block just as much legislation as the hardcore republicons. I now see why they lose elections or let them get stolen and only whine and whimper because they aren't really Democrats.

I think that this will be the last time I will vote for the Democrats. There has to be something going on jealousy,racism or something else when I have heard some of the things that have been said by some Democrats this season,.

This is the worst shape I have seen this country in and the Democrats seem to be doing everything in there power to lose or cause problems so that we can lose. As for Feingold I guess he likes McCain but why do they go out of their way to praise the other side and they don't seem to be fighting for us to win..

I can't wait to see wait will be wrought from the Hillary memo's but I do know one thing if McCain wins I don't give a damn what happens I will not help any Democrat on any issue and none of my family will not be going to any of McCain's wars. So all of the Hillary people pony up for your wars,no abortions,and all of the other things you proclaim to protest so much.

After The repugs are done with you go get Hillary and Bill to save you if,you can find them because they and their rich buddies will be heading for the hills and you will be have to deal with what is left. As a matter of fact I don't think we will have to worry about the wars anywhere else because their will be wars all over America,if you are to stupid to see how fucked up this country is and if you think it will get any better under mccain then you must be smoking or drinking something...

[az chela]

1. This is the most truth i have seen on here in a very long time

A lot of people feel exactly like you.Thanks for posting

[butterfly77]

5. I have made posts similar to these ...

and they usually drop or some of the Hillary supporters use it to bash my post and pretend not to know what they know. I really believe some of them are really republicons who love to stir something. Maybe its because I posted it on Sunday and different people are on board...

[truedelphi]

20. I agree with your OP n/t

[DJ13]

2. I hear you

As fondly as we all look back to the Clinton years in the 90's, whats never remembered is that much of the laws that were changed back then (Telecom dereg., Banking dereg., Media ownership rules) are whats responsible for our current mess.

Bill's administration represented the GOP's ideals far more than it represented his own party's ideals.

All the hard work in setting up a corporate takeover of our country was already done by the time Bush was chosen by the USSC in 2000.

And these same faux Democrats (DLC) wont easily be relegated to the dustbin of history even with Hillary losing the nomination.

Obama will have to fight a two pronged battle to win the Presidency, both against the GOP and against the DLC corporatists.

[az chela]

3. the clintons are in bed with bush

[DJ13]

4. I think so too

[Skidmore]

12. Yup, yup, and yup....

More of the same is more of the same.

[butterfly77]

33. Don't you know that..

Hill and Bill are the only ones who can save America...

[Just-plain-Kathy]

24. Sure the Clinton's are in bed with the Bushs....

Look at all the companies which profited the most in the last twenty years; with the help of NAFTA, Hillary's Wal-Mart was abe to take down Woolworths, Jamesway, Montgomery Wards, Caldors, -with K-Mart hanging on for dear life.

[butterfly77]

7. I agree..

and they are already making plans for when he wins. They are turning on each now that is why we are finding out as much as we have...

[BuyingThyme]

6. Can we do Feinstein instead of Feingold?

[butterfly77]

8. Yes, The only reason I did Feingold is..

that some did a post about him praising McCain...I like Feingold but Feinstein that's another story...

[cyndensco]

9. I had hoped with the election of 2006 things would have gotten better.

At least we had congress. But, with the first of their non-binding resolutions, it appeared things would just stay the same. They have.

Between the number of democrats in power sitting out this election, and the voracity, the hatred, of bill, hillary and her supporters, things do at times feel hopeless. I will not say I will never vote democratic again - what is the alternative? - but I agree it feels no one is really fighting for us anymore.

[butterfly77]

10. I say I won't vote Democratic..

I won't vote Republicon either but, I may just sit it out. If some of these people in this country can't see what is going on now then what will it take..

[cyndensco]

11. I hear you. I really do.

But I was raised by parents who emphasized the importance of voting. Too many had died to make sure we could...I don't think I could just sit out.

[butterfly77]

26. I may sit it out ...

but,there are too many people that seem to be pretending to be Democrats and they undermine us each election just look at the post about Kerrey today...

[CreekDog]

18. how can you say you won't vote Democratic when you have an Obama avatar?

:shrug:

[butterfly77]

27. I am not talking about this election...

[truedelphi]

22. With some of the inert-ness of the Democratic party, it is a matter of following the money

Di Feinstein was allowed to vote for the IWR, and then just several weeks later, her husband had lined up these lucrative contracts in Iraq.

How lucrative? Oh twenty six or twenty seven million dollars worth.

Now over the pat six months, her voting has increased his contracts in Iraq to hundreds of millions. Yet no one on either side of the aisle says "conflict of interest." Or mentions that they are investigating this.

So something smells fishy. Maybe the deal is she and hubby get that much money as long as some of it is to keep people in line. Like her puppet girl, Pelosi, who is always saying things like "Impeachment is off the table" or "I can't impeach until someone shows me where Bush might have done something wrong."

[butterfly77]

28. I knew it was a mistake to pick Pelosi..

in the first place and she has proven to be what I suspected weak the same goes for Reid. I also don't trust Steny Hoyer he is also in Bush's back pocket..

[jesus_of_suburbia]

13. As a gay man, I've been saying this for a long time. Many people here really aren't progressive.

They couldn't give a shit about my rights.

I see this OVER AND OVER AND OVER again.

[inthebrain]

15. I think there are many people here that due

I stood with the GLBT folks when gey marriage was put on the table here in MA.

OTOH, I can't blame you for being disatisfied with how the party treats minority groups. I feel that way when it comes to immigrants and folks try to play like Lou Dobbs is some kind of leftists.

I also feel that way about the 9/11 consipiracy crowd which really is a bunch of people airing veiled anti semitism. At least many of the ones I've come across.

I'm just sick of my dissent or leftist avenues for dissent getting hijacked by nutters like Lou Dobbs, ALex Jones and Rense.

[butterfly77]

29. Many in the Democratic party don't give a damn about..

the American people they care about their pockets. How rich is too rich they can never seem to get enough they love bush's policies.

[qwlauren35]

46. Me! Me!

I have never, ever, pretended to be progressive.

And yet, ironically, I do "give a sh*t" about your rights. I remember here in reading about a woman who couldn't bring her partner into America because she didn't have spousal rights. And I thought about it, and realized that it wasn't just. I remember reading about a bereaved person who watched his or her partner's family whisk away the deceased as though the couple had never existed. And that's not right either. And I think about the HUGE Federal tax breaks that married couples can get, but lesbian families cannot, even though their incomes are statistically lower. And I know it's not fair.

So, for those reasons, I know that "gay marriage" is necessary in order for gay couples to have the rights that other married couples have - and I realize that most of us take those rights for granted to such a huge extent, that we have no idea how completely biased this marriage = man + woman" thing is.

So. Please don't make assumptions about the definition of progressive. I'm not progressive. But I see the justness in marital rights for same-sex couples. And I understand why you fight for it. If it ever up comes on the Maryland ballot, I will vote yes.

[MGKrebs]

14. OK wise one, tell me what are we supposed to do about John Barrow and

Jim Marshall here in Georgia?

Two Dems in very conservative districts. They win, but barely. Barrow beat a progressive challenger in a primary.

When WE have convinced enough constituents of those districts to vote for more progressive candidates, then we will get more progressive candidates. You act as if there are these entities out there like "Democratic Party" that aren't connected to us. You are threatening to not vote for Democrats anymore because you haven't been successful convincing your neighbors to be more progressive? You expect all the Democratic congresspeople to behave exactly like YOU want them to, and to hell with what the people of Statesboro, GA want?

I'd like us to be more progressive too, but I don't blame "The Party".
It's all about the grassroots. It's us. We have work to do. There is no magic wand.

[inthebrain]

16. Create a groundswell around the issue.

It has to be the issue that you are concerned about that matters most. Both parties have to be fordced to concede to it otherwise face dire consequences from the American people.

MLK pulled this off as well as a lot of Civil Rights leaders.

[MGKrebs]

17. Sounds like you are expecting a Hero to ride in and save the day.

I think as long as we expect someone ELSE to make things better, they won't get much better.

But I agree that to some extent, charismatic leaders can help a lot.

[butterfly77]

31. No. I expect the Dems/progressives to fight back..

and stop praising the other party...I do my part I expect them to do theirs..

[MGKrebs]

32. I wasn't replying to you.

That post referred to a "groundswell". Dem's fighting back isn't a groundswell, it would be a response to a groundswell.
And you can't consider "Dems/progressives" as the same thing. There are "Dems" and there are "progressives". Some Dems are progressive, some not. Some progressives are Dems, some not.
What do you think of Sebelius? She twice picked Republicans as her running mates.

[butterfly77]

34. I don't know that much about her...

but I hope Obama doesn't pick her as VP..

[Whisp]

23. otherwise face dire consequences from the American people.

i'm sorry, but I find that line very funny, in a sad way.

what dire consequences?

I agree that citisens (yes, citisens, not consumers oh how I loathe that word) when awakened in great numbers are a true powerhouse for change, it has happned many times thruout history.

That is basically the reason I'll hanging in and not throwing in a any towels until I see how things develop for Obama. I really believe he gets this. I believe he wants us to take back the reins of power as it should be.

I could be totally wrong and bamboozled and naive and a fool. but believing that is all I have right now.
I see 0% chance of any improvement with a McCain or a Clinton or a Bush to continue their destruction upon us.

we all are in need of a leader that follows his people,

desperately.

[butterfly77]

30. I blame the so called leaders..

who are afraid to speak out we need new leadership. They want our donations but they don't seem to be using them where they are needed most.

[MGKrebs]

35. "We need new leadership" but you threaten to jump ship at the exact moment

you get to do something about it.

Perhaps you are afraid that you will get what you asked for?

[butterfly77]

37. What am I asking for...Hillary?

[MGKrebs]

45. Sounds like you were asking for new leadership.

If you work for it and get it, you will be responsible for it. Apprehension is normal in that case. If the new leadership fails it will be partly your fault. Of course, if they succeed you can take part of the credit! But if you were looking forward to success, threatening to bail is not the action one would expect right about now. No, you are likely more comfortable working from the "outside". That way you get to be critical no matter who is in charge and feel no responsibility. It's a classic problem for those on the left. We want to support underdogs, the little guy, the common man, but that means if our underdog wins they become "the man" and we have to abandon them for the next underdog. Subconsciously, we know this and sometimes do things that are destructive so that our chances of actually winning are lessened. We tend to fear success. It's easier just to sit in the bleachers and yell.

My response is actually different. if I felt that I agreed with the values of the Party but was being let down by the leadership, I would try to get MORE involved. But that's just me.

[AtomicKitten]

19. A realignment of the parties is in progress.

[Whisp]

21. . . .

k&r&salute.

[Kaylee]

25. I'm getting there...the lack of support for our Dem nominee is telling.

My husband gave up on their caving to the Repubs a long time ago. He's a registered Independent.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

36. Damn!

Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours

Sorry I missed this post yesterday. Pelosi is one of whom you speak of - also Senator Feinstein...

DINO's every one. Fuck 'em.

I have been watching the Democrats slipping closer and closer to the middle while the GOP keeps skating further to the right...

If McCain wins this election, I will be sickened but really not all that surprised after being part of and observing the political landscape since Jimmy Carter was maimed and beaten up by his own party.

[wyldwolf]

38. see ya!

[butterfly77]

39. Thanks for the memories...

and the bullshit..

[wyldwolf]

40. you're welcome. Hey, on you way out, I have some recommendations for you

http://www.gp.org/index.php
http://www.liberalparty.org/

:hi:

[butterfly77]

43. I didn't say I was leaving yet..

I'm watching and waiting to see who does what and what I have been seeing throughout this campaign has been very eye opening over the past 7 to 8 years,I have seen a lot,this will not be a hasty decision.

No,I didn't click your links I am informed enough thank you very much. Sometimes the so called Dems actions speak louder than their words..

[wyldwolf]

44. good, because I didn't say you DID say you were leaving yet... but.. on your way out..

...stop by those links that may better server your demands needs.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

41. There are TWO problems with the Democratic party: (1) the Blue Dogs and...

(2) The Democratic Leadership Council!

Both groups are basically Republican-lite. The Blue Dogs are leftover remnants of the Southern Dixiecrats who, for some reason, never became Republicans but vote like them on most issues. The DLC is scum! Period! The DLC's poster children--Harold Ford, Jr., Bill Nelson, Joe LIEberman--amounts to the Democratic answer to the Neocons! Corporatists in the Extreme! They are essentially warmongers who demonize liberals and suffer from a severe inferiority complex.

[barack the house]

42. We should just stick with Randi Rhodes she has become an outstanding voice of ->

reason.