Looks to me like Hillary's 2012 strategy is being put in play.

[dkf]

Publicly she has to be behind Obama 100%. But its what she does and says privately that will do damage.

I hope I'm wrong, but that is the vibe I'm getting.

[writes3000]

1. And I was just starting to enjoy DU today. Yet another main post about Hillary's plaaaaaaans?

Why oh why oh why?

[JackORoses]

4. ask her. and if you get the chance, tell her to cut it out.

[jobycom]

11. Be specific. Cut out what? Supporting Obama? Following normal convention rules

to give the supporters who worked their butts off and sacrificed parts of their lives for her a moment of satisfaction? What exactly do you want her to knock off?

And while you are at it, explain why every single post you make around here attempts to divide rather than unite the party. You are obviously not supporting Obama or the Democrats. What is your agenda here?

[Mabus]

20. I was a delegate to the DNC in 2004

I was a Dean delegate. He released us and asked us to support Kerry on the first ballot. To tell you the truth, I would have been happier if it had been Dean, but it wasn't. At that point, it was about saving our country and working together. It wasn't about holding onto feelings of the past, how hard I had worked, silencing supporters or anything else, it was about coming together and working together to win the election.

[jobycom]

24. Maybe so, but Dean didn't come anywhere near as close as Clinton.

Nor was his campaign as historic.

[Mabus]

25. I was just telling you what happened in 2004

since "normal convention rules" were brought up. What the rules are and how things actually work aren't always the same thing. And, what's happened recently is that candidates release their delegates and allow them to vote they way that they want. Dean and others encouraged their delegates at the convention to vote for Kerry.

fwiw, I gave my floor credentials to my alternate. She voted for Kerry. My husband and I headed across town to hang out with the Edwards, Kucinich and other Dean delegates that gave up their credentials too. We all said we'd vote for Kerry in the general. I can't speak for the others but I did cast my vote for Kerry.

[jobycom]

29. And I'm responding to that.

You are telling me what happened in 2004 to make a point about normal procedure. I'm making a counterpoint to illustrate that the example isn't identical. Wasn't contradicting anything you said. I should have said "Thanks for the first-hand experience," but I didn't, so that was a failing on my part. :)

The point here is that we have an historic election. For the first time a female candidate has won a significant portion of the primary votes. That deserves more than a "Hey, babe, nice shot," dismissal. That's all Clinton is trying for. And it is not an unusual request, to have both names in nomination and have a full roll call. Party unity doesn't mean party homogeneity. Let us recognize and celebrate Clinton's achievement, and more importantly the achievement of the millions who supported her. As Clinton pointed out, it will be cathartic, it will be inspirational, and it will make us all one big happy family again.

[Mabus]

31. "Go ahead, fall in love, be for somebody,

" (Bill) Clinton said. "But when the primary's over, let's fall in line and bring the White House back to our party." http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/13/clinton.iowa/

[jobycom]

34. Exactly. And the primary ends with the convention.

[Mabus]

37. No, the primary is over

But, I don't think anything anyone will be able to say anything to you at this point. It sounds like you've got your mind made up.

[roguevalley]

21. telling people privately that Obama can't win and having said asses

tell the press. whether she asked them to do it or not, which I doubt, it is still out there. she needs to shut her face. this is about the country, not her widdow feelings.

[jobycom]

23. Rumors of rumors of rumors. nt.

[JackORoses]

28. her supporters should take satifaction that we are nominating the best candidate for President

so you wanted Hillary to win, that does not entitle you to carrying on after she lost.

She should knock off any actions which might lead her most fanatic supporters into making fools of themselves.
She should make it clear that Obama is the one and only nominee, she supports him, and she disapproves of anyone who doesn't.
She should not allow this Roll Call vote issue to continue to fester.

I support Obama wholeheartedly.
I must ask you what you have done to help him. Volunteering? Donations?
I have worked to get out the vote and given the max allowed because electing Obama is my agenda.

What is yours?

[jobycom]

35. Well, since she has clearly and decisively done all that you say she should

I have to conclude that your agenda is the opposite of mine and hers. My agenda, and her stated agenda, is to elect Obama in November. You can fool some people, but I've been here a while. I see you.

[BklynChick]

2. unfortunately I dont' think you're wrong.

[polichick]

3. I agree - fortunately the Clintons don't have the clout they once did.

[PresidentObama]

5. Seems to me that DU is obsessed with some 2012 theory that is baseless.

She is NOT trying to crush Obama to run in 2012.

That's insanity.

And why must DU ruin another newscycle with posts about Hillary?

Can we talk about Obama vs. McCain, please?

[TheWraith]

6. It's not baseless when we keep getting shot at from behind.

And everybody HAD dropped the issue until the Clinton people revived it. They WANTED this story, and wanted to revive the specter of Democratic disunity.

[polichick]

10. They seem to have revived it in order to get two convention spots...

What a way to put a damper on what should be a glorious time!

[jobycom]

15. She me the bullet holes. For that matter, show me a day around here

without constant Clinton bashing. It's like the freaking Republican Party website around here sometimes.

Both of your premises are false.

[Smarmie Doofus]

7. When Lamont defeated Lieberman in '06.....

... she dutifully supported the DEM nominee in the general but rumor had it that her people were encouraging $$$ people to sit on their hands... or should I say, dollars.

Lieberman had been her original fave in the primary. (Surprise)

Hopefully, when Obama starts to address the deficiencies of the GOP candidate more directly and more quotably , he'll leave McCain in the dust and there will be no 2012 for Sen. Clinton.

I say "hopefully" because I'm beginning to doubt whgether he will do so. This race should not be so close.

[Renew Deal]

12. Lanny Davis, Ickes and the rest of them were helping Lieberman

So that tells you what was going on.

[EstimatedProphet]

18. You lost me right here:

rumor had it

Those words make everything you said afterwards meaningless.

[polmaven]

32. "RUMOR" had it..

'nuff said. Do you believe ALL rumors or just the ones bashing Senator Clinton?

[bvar22]

36. The Clinton (DLC) support for the Democratic candidate, Lamont,

was minimal and unenthusiastic. Resembles their support for Obama so far.
Just barely going through the motions.

[Metric System]

8. UNITY

[emilyg]

9. Say it again

U N I T Y

[musicblind]

13. U-N-I-T-Y

[Meshuga]

14. She is going out to campaign for Obama this week

To me, that speaks louder than all the paranoia being posted around here.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

16. Vibes are for the DU Lounge, son. n/t

[RedShoes]

17. thank you for your CONCERN. nt

[WeDidIt]

19. I disagree (now)

since Hillary is filling in for Barack while he is on vacation, this indicates Barack has 100% confidenvce in Hillary.

Also, I get the feeling that the next week of Hillary campaigning for Barack solo is a "tryout" for the Veep spot.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

22. Looks to me like some people just can't stop hating on the Clintons.

And it will go on and on and on and on I'm afraid.

[kristyt]

30. Yes Be Afraid... Very Scary

[Medusa]

26. Nothing would shock me

and I'm getting the same vibe. They want 2012 very, very badly.

[maddiejoan]

27. Oh shut up already

You're a freakin' moran.

[TexasObserver]

33. didn't the Mayans mention her in their calendar?