ABC - Hillary still telling friends in private that she doubts that Obama can win

[JackORoses]

Will Clinton Run Again?
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5531475

This is indefensible.

Perhaps, Maddow was right and Convention shenanigans are planned.
How else do you explain the coordinated Clinton effort of the past few days?

Bill says he was falsely accused of Racism and refrains from saying that Obama is qualified.

Hillary fans the flames of her fanatics and keeps the notion of a floor fight alive by refusing to quash it.

Couldn't they just have remained in the wings until the convention?
Why have they taken these calculated actions?

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[jesus_of_suburbia]

18. Way to go. Can you please stop using the "f" word?

You use it quite a bit.

It's not very attractive.

[totodeinhere]

29. The F word is used very frequently throughout this forum. I guess we need to get used to it.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

58. It's not helpful when BlooInBlue uses the "f" word with Clinton on almost every post.

I think we're gonna win easily, but in 2000 every vote mattered.

Most Hillary supporters who don't support Barack won't come around, but why not promote unity in case every vote is needed?

BlooInBloo is just hateful to the CLintons.


I've noticed it TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME



AGAIN

It is NOT helping Barack in the long run.

[RaleighNCDUer]

75. Neither are the Clintons. nt

[Hieronymus]

159. Chill, Hillary lost to Obama.

[polpilot]

175. ...And the Clintons lost their minds...

It's O.K.,the repubs will embrace them.

[Hieronymus]

177. You bet, Murdoch endorsed her .. gave a fund raiser for her.

[saracat]

247. I groused about this at the time but since he has donated to Obama and

fundraised for him as well. Go figure. He plays both sides of the fence perhaps?

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[emilyg]

222. I don't need to get used to it.

[City Lights]

71. Some use it in their sig lines.

You're prolly gonna have to get used to it.

on edit - Or use ignore. Choice is yours. :-)

[jesus_of_suburbia]

78. I'm more offended that every reply is "fuck the Clintons"

It's NOT helping Obama. It makes a few of his supporters look very bad (kind of like the PUMAS).

[gmudem]

89. Fuck the Clintons.

Wow that was pretty easy to say. Hillary needs to shut the hell up and should tell her supporters to do the same. She just continues to embarrass herself.

[janx]

123. AH-AH-AH!

I think you've hit on something, no? B-)

[Political Heretic]

164. Well perhaps if they would stop acting like fucking assholes it would quiet down.

Sorry, but they HAVE the power to stop news like this -- but sucking it up, getting over their bitterness about their own failure to win, and getting 100% behind the democratic nominee.

There's an old army saying... you salute the rank, not the man. Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for President. They owe (yes owe) the party their full-throated, unqualified support of the Democrats pick for president.

"They" means hillary and bill, because their both responsible for this assholery.

I defended Hillary Clinton all through the primaries. I regularly spoke out against over-zealous Obama supporters (or Clinton haters) and tried to do my part to create a better tone. I wasn't perfect but I tried. When Hillary conceded I was right there to immediately open arms and praise her strength. I truly believed the best that she would totally rally around the democratic nominee for the good of the party.

But then there's all this shit. It just makes me sick. I'm sick of them, sick of their personal ambition getting in the way of the bigger picture. I've just had it. So fuck them.

[creeksneakers2]

179. Me too

I defended Hillary. Now she makes my blood boil. She should have quit after the Ohio/Texas primaries because it obvious then that she couldn't win. She cost Obama millions and kept McCain out of the line of fire for months. And for what? So she could tell herself she's not a quitter?

Now she's out stirring up trouble again. The woman cares about nothing but her own political power. I used to defend her when people said things like that.

[saracat]

180. "Salute the rank not the man" ? So you respect Bush as Prez? Cheney as VP?

What have the Clinton's done that is so bad? They have endorsed and supported O. Yet because an ABC reporter quotes an un sourced comment , you attack them? And if Hillary's "private comment" was true, not only does this not make it "private" but if it were, doesn't she have the right, like ALL American citizens to have an "opinion". As a Democrat, she is supporting Obama but now you say she can't have private "thoughts" about him?

And as for Bill. IMHO , he is a twice elected POTUS and entitled to way more respect than some have given him. And he doesn't have an obligation to take any crap from anyone.

[Political Heretic]

186. I respect the office.

Bill Clinton, is entitled to many things. And if I met him I would certainly show him all the proper respect as a former President. But he's not entitled to give anything less than this full throated endorsement of the democratic nominee for president. That's his duty as a senior democrat.

If you can't see the ridiculousness of the behvaior, then there's no point talking about it.

I don't mean I'm ignoring you something.. I mean we'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that. I don't make a "campaign" out of trashing the clintons - this is the first thing I've said about it. So we can just move on to other topics.

[saracat]

191. We may disagree but I remember in 2003 I was given an opportunity to meet Bush. I was interviewing

Kerry and I refused. I stood within feet of him and refused to be presented because I would NOT shake his hand. I still feel that way.And Bill Clinton is giving far more support to Obama than most former presidents have. I don't recall Carter campigning for Bill at all.In fact, I am not sure he endorsed him.

[Political Heretic]

232. Because he was asked not to.

There's no comparison between an unpopular one term president and a popular two term one.

[saracat]

246. Link please. This was in 1991! and 1995! Carter was already established as a humanitarian.

[BlooInBloo]

73. (shrug) I'm not a very attractive guy...

So it fits.

[greguganus]

187. In that case..."You ugly fucker!!" lol n/t

[shadowknows69]

120. Can't be used enough if this is true

Fuck her.

[ellisonz]

142. How can fucking not be attractive?

[greguganus]

189. Picture Pickles and * in the heat of passion. n/t

[ObamaIL]

27. No Reason For Self-Censure With an Ignore Button Available to Others...unless its ATR

[jesus_of_suburbia]

74. True. thanks for the reminder.

I'll be better off for it :-)

[ObamaIL]

82. Well is it against the rules?

I'm new here, and I'll admit haven't seen the posting rules. Just curious as I've seen plenty of obscenity (which personally I don't mind).

But if it's against the rules you have a point.

[supernova]

102. No, obscenities aren't against the rules

we have some champion cursers at DU. :-)

Just don't get into bodily fluid threads or jokes; those are verbotten. ;-)

Welcome to DU, ObamaIL! :hi:

[Longhorn]

215. It depends on how profanity is used.

It can, indeed, be against the rules if it is used as an attack against individuals or a group of people. It is also against the rules if it is deemed to be excessive.

Please see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html for more information.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[roguevalley]

63. if this makes a difference this year, she can't expect us to forget it

for 2012. I am so sick of her and her husband. I cannot BELIEVE how I defended and supported them for years. she needs to STFU. Now.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

70. I'm sure she wasn't holding her breath for DU love

*rolls eyes*

[roguevalley]

88. good. :rolls them back:

[sniffa]

147. This post is weird

Saying "fuck the Clintons" on DU is hurting Obama's chances, and now Clinton isn't looking for DU love.

:shrug:

[Franc_Lee]

Internet Radio link to Hillary supporters planning convention antics

These are all the yoyo's claiming to vote for McCain if Hillary isn't VP. Some enlightening stuff
http://www.hcsfjm.com/chat.html

[Franc_Lee]

83. Internet Radio link to Hillary supporters planning convention antics

These are all the the Hillary supporters threatening to vote for McCain if Hillary isn't the VP.
They sound like their straight from FOXnews but it's interesting to hear all the lies they're trying to spread about Obama. Called, (No Obama talk Show) the link is below.
http://www.hcsfjm.com/chat.html

[janx]

135. Really?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2058226/posts

[janx]

140. Those aren't Hillary supporters. n/t

[creeksneakers2]

183. Larry Sinclair is selling

Larry Sinclair T-shirts to PUMAs in exchange for one hundred dollar donations.

[janx]

202. I am not surprised.

;-)

[Windy]

218. These are larry johnson's nutty posters... very scary people.

They are talking about Obama's birth certificate. What the hell is wrong with these people?

I really think the problem is that they are racists...

[truebrit71]

121. Amen...Fucking sick of the Clinton's not fucking figuring it out...

..that it fucking isn't ALL about them...

[Butch350]

155. Fudge her and them NOW and Fudge them in 2012

It's just their philosophy , (hrc and her supporters) , if we can't win - we'll fudge-up Obama and his supporters chances.

[hisownpetard]

2. Why, indeed.

I'm getting a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.

[Christa]

112. So do I :( nt

[AllentownJake]

3. Obama's supporters trend younger

Hillary supporters trend older...laws of nature make her 2012 bid less plausible.

[spotbird]

4. She thought she could win

and then lost. She may not be such a good judge of outcomes.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

14. Good point. Last November it was inconceivable to her that she wouldn't win. nt

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

217. It was inconceivable to me.

And I'm not her biggest fan.

Gives ya hope.

[TheWraith]

43. I wish I could recommend a reply. Spot on, spotbird. nt

[Schema Thing]

5. Pushing for something. Probably VP

[Jackpine Radical]

16. That's no way to do it.

Anyway, Obama would be nuts to pick her. He'd pick up all of her negatives and none of her positives.

[Whisp]

6. she should come right out loud and clear put a stop to this bullshit.

a breaking news presser telling the PUMAs to shut up and stop harassing Dean and to reject and denounce the 'lies' ABC is putting out.

but will she?

my bet is she won't. they love this muck

[DevonRex]

36. She needs to tell the DNC not to put her name in for nomination.

She needs to release her delegates and instruct them to vote for Obama. That would stop it immediately.

Until that happens, I wonder about her intentions. When it does happen, I'll be able to donate to retire her campaign debt after the GE.

[polmaven]

124. I think that

maybe the DNC and the campaign staff or our nominee may know a little more than ANYONE here at DU what will "stop it immediately". The Obama campaign and the DNC are discussing the matter with Senator Clinton. They know what "needs" to be done. I will leave it up to their good judgment.

[JackORoses]

131. That's what Hillary and crew said about Florida and Michigan.

But they didn't leave it up to the DNC's good judgement, did they?

As soon as it became apparent that Hillary needed those states to win, she changed her tune.

[DevonRex]

156. Hey, Obama and the DNC can't make Hillary do the right thing.

Only SHE can do that. In the meantime, I'll say that she SHOULD do it in order to stop this insanity in its tracks, BEFORE it causes harm to OUR nominee.

[polmaven]

165. "The right thing"

is very likely different in Senator Obama's eyes than in your eyes. He knows what he is doing, and so do his staff. Let THEM handle it.

[DevonRex]

174. The point is that IF Obama and the DNC would prefer Hillary

to take her name out of the floor vote and that she release her delegates, AND if Hillary does not do that, THEN there is nothing that either Obama or the DNC can do about it.

At this point we have no idea what is going on. Personally I prefer that she do a press release that clears the matter up immediately.

I don't like all this doubt.

[polmaven]

182. MY point is that the campaign and the DNC

most likely know that this is the ONLY way to be sure that some nut jobs don't cause a problem.

Senator Clinton does not have a magic wand filled with Hillary Dust that she can wave if people have not followed her lead. She cannot "control" people anymore than ANY of us can. Particularly people who may not be as mature as others. and the DNC can't force them off the floor, and still claim to be better than Republicans, who demand lock step obedience.

I'm sure that the "roll call" with her name in nomination, if that is done, will not be done in prime time, and will be as low key as it can be, but still give the more ardent a feeling that she has now been given some respect, and no dissension will be seen in prime time TV, for use by the Republicans. THAT is what is likely being discussed behind the scenes.

It will satisfy the handful of upset delegates, and it will make Democrats in general look great, and Senator Obama specifically look extremely presidential.

And as a bonus, we will not have any kind of a repeat of Chicago!

Listen...Trust Senator Obama. He and his staff have not done badly so far, wouldn't you say?

[DevonRex]

190. I certainly hope you have it right. And I have certainly not made

up my mind that there's anything underhanded going on. Far from it, as a matter of fact.

My most fervent wish is that everyone benefits from however this plays out. If it's handled correctly, we'll have a stronger ticket and a stronger party for it. There is still some healing to be done and hopefully our convention will be an event that brings us all together into a wonderful celebration. We democrats have earned it after what the republicans have done to us from 1992 through today.

The news that Bill is going to speak at the convention is wonderful. Of course, we knew he would. But it's nice to have that information out there for all to see.

Peace. :)

BTW, I like debating with you. We never seem to get too annoyed with each other and that's a good thing. MarrahG is like that, too.

[janx]

196. I'm with ya!

Additionally, the Obama campaign, the DNC, and the Clintons are onto the fake Clinton supporters who are trying to divide and disgrace the Dem party.

I can't wait for the convention! :party:

[polmaven]

206. Me either!

This is going to be SO exciting! :dem:

[gal]

207. Are they going to do a roll call for every other nominee as well?

I'm sorry I'm sick of the expectation that she get special treatment because she is a woman.

The whole purpose of the woman's movement was to be treated equally. There were other candidates that got delegates and people were also supporting, do those people's votes not count as much as Hillary's votes? She did not get enough votes to win, if she did THEN it would be worth hearing her name.

She needs to sit the fuck down and support the candidate, Peroid.

[polmaven]

213. Of course they are not going to do it

for all of the other candidates as well....not nominees....there is only ONE nominee.

The other candidates did not, along with Senator Obama, make history the way she has. The others didn't win 18,000,000 votes, roughly 1/2 of the popular votes cast.

She is, along with Senator Obama, attempting to achieve catharsis. This is America, and we are Democrats. She cannot simply ban the more vocal delegates from the convention after they have been legally chosen as delegates. Revoking credentials is much more complicated than that.

Do you want to see a disrupted convention, or do you want to win in November and watch President Obama be sworn in on January 20, 2009? If it is the latter, which I suspect it is, then perhaps you need to TRUST our candidate to do the right thing. I do. He will end smelling like a rose from this.

[gal]

237. Yes I should have said candidate in the Subject line...

Either way stop the special treatment...she still lost whether historic or not. Edwards made history by being number X candidate that lost as well. (History is - All events that are remembered and preserved in some authentic form constitute the historical record.)

The only person I have heard call for catharsis is Hillary Clinton, Obama has said we do not need it. The process should move forward with the nominee.

Yes this is America but I am not a Democrat..I am an independent who believes in the Democratic nominee and working hard to get him elected. I am sick of seeing the Clintons trying to take the stage and hurt the nominee. It turns me off them even more. She is hurting her own future chances. Maybe the Clintons should stop and see what this is doing to hurt the Democratic party even past this election because it surely is...

[saracat]

248. So it was fine to do it for Ted K when he opposed a sitting Prez and had only 100 delegates?

[saracat]

194. Why? Her race was as historic as the nominees and she should be acknowledged.

She has almost as many delegates and all the "boys" from Teddy K to the other contenders have had their names in nomination. Why should the only woman to come this close not be placed in nomination? Would some feel the same if it were Obama? Would it be being said that the first major AA candidate shouldn't be placed in nomination? I doubt it.

[gal]

210. The key word you said is "Almost".....

I am a woman and she does not deserve special treatment over the other candidates. She lost and should do the same as any male candidate this year and in past elections. I would expect Obama to do the same if he had lost. This is not about her....

[saracat]

249. Traditionally all the candidates with delegates were placed in nomination. I grew up listening to

both conventions. My family was involved with politics. There is no reason to violate the nominating tradition, especially in a race as "close" as this one. Teddy K had his name placed in nomination with 100 delegates! Are you suggesting that she be discriminated against because she is a woman? I don't think that it is just that she is a woman that deserves the traditional recognition but the fact that she deserves it as much and certainly "more" in terms of "numbers" than her male predecessors.

It is very odd that many feel that "special treatment "(and not being not placed in nomination or having a roll call vote would not be "special" but rather discriminatory) should not be given to Hillary for being a woman are many times the same folks who demand special treatment for Obama being the first AA nominee.The point is, both gender and race are conditions of birth which neither person controlled, and neither factor can be completely ignored.In a perfect world, they should be, but in this season of firsts, they are not.And I do not believe it is more important to be an AA male than it is a woman.

Hillary Clinton was a Presidential Candidate who garnered a substantial number of Delegates and should be treated as such.She is entitled to that recognition at the very least.

[jbnow]

263. Wait, what demands for special treatment for Obama

being the first AA nominee?
I think the special treatment is for just being the nominee.

In any case Kennedy/Carter is a very bad example to bring up. The show of division further weakened Carter's image and you know that didn't go so well for the country.

As shown in the clip of her with supporters when she said after the catharsis then they unify behind Obama one of her supporters said loudly "That's not how it works".
To honor her and show respect would be wonderful...but many want to use it to show disrespect and opposition to Obama.

They'll work out what to do, it's not in our hands

[Mass]

7. What is indefensible is to trust the media and particularly ABC.

[Maven]

11. Word.

[PresidentObama]

13. Absolutely. Especially ABC. I'm tired of speculation and "unnamed sources"

[Whisp]

44. "He Can't Win' said Hillary to Richardson... that's not speculation and unamed.

now what did she mean by that?

that obama doesn't have the votes to win? hardly, he is doing fine.

or does she mean we have to stop him no matter what, we can't let him win. this seems more the message to me.
now why would that be?

[polmaven]

125. She said that SINCE June 7th?

Proof?

[JackORoses]

129. so you won't believe it without a tape?

if she was saying it then, what would have changed her mind?

you know she is being less than supportive.
why do you choose to ignore what stares you in the face?

[polmaven]

166. I do NOT know she is being

less than supportive. Senator Obama says she is being supportive. His campaign says she is being supportive. It is only a handful of members here, who apparently want to keep the Democratic Party split wide open, who accuse her of not being supportive. This type of thing will NOT help ANYONE.

Why do you seem incapable of following the lead of the Party's candidate for president, and UNITE the party?

[JackORoses]

170. i'll accept your apology later when your illusions about the Clintons are shattered

[Whisp]

136. she may have, but that's not what I'm referring to.

it's the call Richardson made to her about his endorsing Obama and not her.

what has you mixed up about the time line?

I took it as she meant he cannot win the GE.

[polmaven]

168. Because THIS gossip is alleged to be NOW.

Naming a source from months ago, and using it as proof that she is STILL saying it to "Friends, advisers and associates" is just plain lunacy!

[gateley]

87. Just to clarify, it was TIME that reported she's privately still telling friends

she doesn't think O can win. Not much diff, but all your disgust shouldn't be directed solely at ABC.

[polmaven]

127. Did TIME

give any named sources? Or just some more "friend of the babysitter's paperboy's barber"?

[gateley]

146. Look. I was not trying to imply Time was an impeachable source - merely

that ABC alone is not the only one spreading this -- that as much criticism needs to be leveled at Time if they are alluding to unnamed sources. :eyes:

[JackORoses]

46. it's quite telling that you blame the messenger and not the Clintons

can they do no wrong in your eyes?

[Mass]

60. It's quite telling that you think I support the Clintons. I do not, never have.

never will be, but your title comes from a rumor in an article by the time by Karen Tumulty that was obviously not substantiated by a named source.

I have understood a long time ago that, if I do not want people to judge people I respect on the lies the media say (see Obama and Kerry, for example), I will not trust the same media on rumors that are not based. Too bad if it is too complexed for you.

[JackORoses]

117. so you doubt the veracity of the statement? of course, hillary has been telling people that

Bill Richardson let that cat out of the bag

[bullwinkle428]

114. ABC has about as much credibility with me as Faux News does these days...

It's not like they did Obama any favors in that wonderful debate they staged months back, either.

[PresidentObama]

8. Proof? Otherwise, don't post empty speculation.

[JackORoses]

40. Hillary and Bill's actions are proof enough that they aren't fully behind Obama

and if they are not fully behind the Nominee, then they have no business with our Party.

[PresidentObama]

68. So you have no proof, then? Thought so. And Hillary is campaigning for Obama this week.

This is after fundraisers and other events for Obama since dropping out. Her one concession speech did more to help Obama and unify the party, than anyone else.

Tell me how she's not fully behind him?

[JackORoses]

116. She wants to be nominated at the Convention

and don't even get me started on Bill.
I notice you don't even attempt to defend him.

[PresidentObama]

145. She NEVER said that, don't lie.

And I don't feel the need to defend Bill.

He did nothing wrong.

[JackORoses]

158. by not ending the speculation, she reveals her opinion

Bill did nothing right.

He couldn't even admit that Obama was qualified.

[musicblind]

169. "by not ending the speculation, she reveals her opinion"

You, sir, assume too much. I'm sure you know what they say about the word assume ;)

[JackORoses]

172. you, sir, have not been paying attention to the Clintons

these recent actions have not taken place in a vacuum.
there is a pattern to their behavior.

ignore it at your own peril.

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[TexasObserver]

233. "Do not publicly accuse another member of this message board of being a ... Freeper"

From the DU Rules:

Do not publicly accuse another member of this message board of being a disruptor, conservative, Republican, FReeper, or troll

[deaniac21]

238. Gentlemen, we have two rules here at the rock.

The first rule is do not write on the walls as it is very hard to get writing off of the walls.

The second rule is, obey all rules.

[Whisp]

128. as far as she knows, Obama is not a Muslim (terrorist).

hows them for apples that she is not behind him?
and don't give me this in the heat of the battle excuse, you just don't say shit like that and expect for it to be forgotten.

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[Whisp]

9. maybe it's to distract from the McCain bundler scandal, apparently Clintons are involved as well.

there's a new thread here somewhere about that.

[Frances]

10. Why do DUers believe the MSM

when the stories are about the Clintons, but not when the stories are about Obama

The best way for Obama is to be defeated is for Dems to be divided. I say keep your eye on the ball: McCain is the enemy. Obama has bested McCain in the last few days so ABC decides to go after Obama by trying to split the Dem vote. That's the only way McCain can win.

IF you want Obama to win, don't get suckered in by the MSM.

[Maven]

15. Exactly

ABC is trying to stir up shit and so is this OP...nothing new for either of them.

[Whisp]

32. Hillary should stand up to them, not us ignore them.

this kind of talk does weaken obama in some eyes.

She has an obligation to try her best to put a stop to this nonsense and if she's serious about backing Obama this is a way to convince the doubters.

she can call a press conference any time of day and stop the presses for breaking news.

i wish she'd wipe that cheshire cat smile off her face and step up.

[BigDDem]

25. You nailed it.

Anything negative about the Clintons and they buy it hook, line and sinker. Anything negative about the Obama's is pure fantasy.

[Whisp]

223. there is nothing Obama has said that compares to Hillary's Tuzla moments.

and that's just one example of many.

of course this could make me believe that she's a liar and not trust much coming out of her yap or what her intentions ae.
but I'm funny that way.

[TexasObserver]

234. yes, we were dodging sniper fire ... there was a greeting ceremony that was cancelled

Hey, when you get old, your mind plays tricks on you. She just did want other seniors all over America do: get confused about memories.

[Whisp]

241. apparently it runs in the family.

they share the same delusions.
Chelsea '16!

[TexasObserver]

242. The first two were only warnings!!

[Evergreen Emerald]

236. Of course there were.

You are choosing to ignore them or minimize them...but I will not further argue with you as the primaries are over except to say that you are covering your eyes when it comes to Obama and exaggerating when it comes to Clinton.

[Whisp]

240. please, further the argument and name one. lol!!

y.o.u. c.a.n.'.t.



:rofl:

[Evergreen Emerald]

254. I see you are back.

[Renew Deal]

38. Hillary is on tape.

And so is Bill. Got any other excuses?

[Mass]

64. Deleted 0 Not worth the pain.

Which is sad is that some are not able to recognize what the media intend to do, in this case hurt Obama.

[Renew Deal]

77. Why couldn't Hillary just say no to being nominated?

And why couldn't she just say no to attacking Obama after February? She did this to herself.

[Captain Hilts]

133. They will believe ANYTHING about the Clintons. It's sad. nt

[DevonRex]

157. I don't know what to believe. I do think that one press release

from Hillary saying she does not want her name voted on at the convention, and releasing her delegates with instructions to vote for Obama would clear the entire matter up immediately.

Until that happens, this will be discussed here.

[TheDebbieDee]

12. Were there any names named in this article, or was this story

related by the barber of the baker of the sister's cousin fiancee's father?

[Alter Ego]

24. You forgot "the candlestick maker".

[NJmaverick]

30. The Clintons could squash all the rumors with a few basic comments

the fact that they haven't is both telling and damning.

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[TheWraith]

51. You're using the freeper manual of argument.

Simply call anyone who disagrees with you a "hater" and mentally ill.

The Clintons have given people tons of reason to be angry with them this year, and done really nothing of substance to make things better. Instead, they've been sitting around expecting others to cater to them in order to fix the damage the Clintons did in the first place. I used to be a huge fan of the Clintons, Bill particularly, and even defended Hillary on the war vote. You can bet I'm never going to do that again.

[TheDebbieDee]

62. Your revisionist Clinton history of the last 18 months doesn't

work with me.

And as far as the hate and mental illness is concerned you only need read some of the vile and absolutely outrageous crap written about the Clintons by some of your fellow DU posters to see where I'm coming from. Some of these posters expressing their Clinton hate sound just like freepers.

[TheWraith]

103. You're the only one revising history to whitewash the Clintons actions.

Everybody except the die-hard lunatic Clinton supporters knows that they waged a dirty, nasty, divisive campaign, and they still haven't really done anything other than a few token gestures to try and fix it. On the contrary, they seem to be digging in their heels.

Any yes, like the freepers, the die-hards like to label any kind of criticism as "hate" simply because it minimizes the critic.

[sniffa]

151. This thread is full of "haters."

:popcorn:

[NJmaverick]

65. That's BULL SHIT, you need to wake up and see reality

it's really pathetic to see people continued to be fooled by these Country hucksters. They are not good people. Bill could come out and publicly endorse Obama and say he is ready. He hasn't! Hillary could release her delegates and say she doesn't want anything but unity, but she hasn't. These are two very self centered narcissistic people that don't care about anyone other than themselves.

[TheDebbieDee]

79. Wake up and see your reality?

No thanks. I'll stay in the here and now.

[NJmaverick]

84. Unlike you I don't create a reality to my liking

That's your problem, you think people are entitled to make up their own reality.

[musicblind]

171. If you don't create your own reality then how do you explain your post above?

[speedoo]

41. Time magazine was cited at the end of the piece. nt

[TheDebbieDee]

50. But no specific person's name?

Well, gee. That sounds like.....well, like.....GOSSIP!

[TheWraith]

55. Funny that you never had a problem with gossip about Obama, but with the Clintons....

...Everything needs to be triple sourced. And even when it IS, and references back to BILL RICHARDSON conveying what Hillary said to him, you still choose to act like it doesn't count.

[TheDebbieDee]

76. What the hell are you talking about?

What does Bill Richardson have to do with the OPs repetition of the latest nameless, sourceless gossip about the Clintons? When all else fails and you are losing an argument, you drag other people and other issues into it to muddy it up.

Why don't you just admit that you are guilty of repeating baseless rumors and leave it at that. Don't drag Bill Richardson into it.

And by the way, even if info is triple-source from our MSM, there's still a reasonable chance that's it erroneous. Case in point: Those West Virginia miners in February, 2006. MSM had us believeing that only one miner died when in fact only one miner survived.

[TheWraith]

101. It was Bill Richardson who originally explained that they were telling people he couldn't win.

He explained how they'd hammered him with that when he told them he was endorsing Obama. So don't act like it's something they would never say. They said it before and it's no surprise that they still are, when you consider that they apparently still feel they didn't do anything wrong. And don't pretend like the media is magically accurate whenever it says something you agree with, but totally wrong if you don't like the content.

[janx]

118. It doesn't need to be "triple sourced," but it does need to

be sourced. Once will do. If it's not, then it's crap. It's gossip.

[speedoo]

57. Is this just "gossip"?

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1830119,00.html

[janx]

115. YES, as a matter of fact, it is. n/t

[Medusa]

253. There are none so blind

as those that can't see. And a lot of Hillary supporters can't see a thing where the Clintons are concerned. Most political reporting works by "unnamed sources", it's true for every single mainstream media outlet, demanding names of sources because you don't like what's being said in a MSM outlet shows a stunning lack of knowledge of how media and the campaigns work hand in hand to get their talking points out there yet still claim plausable deniability, etc.. Furthermore, arguing with the source doesn't change the fact that these leaks happen for a reason--the candidate wants them out there. I think the Clintons desperately want to believe they still have some chance or at best, hope for 2012.

[bigwillq]

17. Oh, now we trust ABC?

:shrug:

Just a few seconds ago, ABC was the evil network. Now, they're the most trusted name in news.

[jazzjunkysue]

19. ABC is also hosting an ugly video from a comedy bit about Obama hosting

women on his own cruise line.

It was right before the comedian said no one want sto get in a car if McCain's driving. So, it's not totally one sided.

The truth is, I don't think that video hurts Obama. It makes him more glamorous. But I'm sure he doesn't like it one bit.

[janx]

20. I sincerely hope you enjoyed and paid attention to that

advertisement for Kraft salad dressing.

:rofl:

[jaysunb]

21. Why don't we just call off the election and anoint McCain now.

That way we could crank up the Hillary 2012 campaign today. :evilfrown:

A little message for Sen Clinton and her "supporters" : she'll lose then too. :evilfrown:

[WeDidIt]

22. I personally take this as evidence that behind the scenes

Hillary Clinton is supportive of the PUMA movement.

[Alter Ego]

23. It's ABC--the network that brought you the worst debate in television history.

Why must you read into this? Hillary has gone on record that she will support Barack wholeheartedly.

Fuck ABC.

[NJmaverick]

26. Hey the Clintons could squash all this talk, and they are not

that is both telling and damning.

[DevonRex]

39. It would be so simple. Hillary needs to decline having her name

put up for vote and she needs to release her delegates and tell them to vote for Obama.

It is very easy. One quick press release would do it.

[NJmaverick]

61. Yet she hasn't and there is no talk that she will

The Clintons are just not good people. It's amazing how many people they have fooled.

[DevonRex]

66. And now someone has been arrested in a plot to...

assassinate Obama. These 2 stories could not be worse happening at the same time.

[IADEMO2004]

28. Watch the whole 5:50 youtube source clip and then ask ABC for a correction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8gdU_1MM44&fmt=18

[BeyondGeography]

31. So when he does win that means we don't have to listen to her anymore, right?

Yet another reason to work overtime for November.

[Major Hogwash]

33. Two more weeks of this crap until the convention.

Is ABC going to boradcast the olympics or just broadcast news from the White House?
Why don't they just admit they are a GOP sponsored network?
That they have always liked the Republicans better than the Democrats because the Republicans tell better stories (lies).

[NJmaverick]

69. Oh the Clintons will not go away that easily

they are working over time to try and kill Obama's chances. That you can count on.

[Ichingcarpenter]

34. ABC rumor hit piece........ Lanny Davis in an old footage?

Plus hearsay evidence? Not buying it.

[janx]

119. Actually, it's ABC hearsay from a Time Magazine rumor

hit piece, but you were close enough. ;-)

[skooooo]

35. What a bitch. nt

[sufrommich]

45. Gosh,is this some of the "constructive criticism "we keep

erroneously referring to as "Clinton bashing"?

[skooooo]

99. When someone's behavior is totally uncalled for...

...then I will express what I feel about it.

[sufrommich]

105. Really? What kind of slurs do you use when black or hispanic

people exhibit behavior that you deem "uncalled for"? How about gay people?

[skooooo]

111. Probably I would use...

....either bitch or asshole regardless. What do you use when people make unwarranted assumptions about you?

[marimour]

161. stop with the sexist bs. Bitch is a universal term.

[DesEtoiles]

230. I'm beyond sick of the Clintons.

[speedoo]

37. Anyone have a link to the Time magazine story?

Time is cited as the source of what Hillary is saying to her friends. I'd like to read that.

[AZBlue]

49. I think they are referring to this one

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1830119,00.html

[speedoo]

59. Thanks, nt

[book_worm]

47. So we are now believing unsubstantiated rumors?

[janx]

85. Of course!

Because that's all this is. It's based on a gossip column by someone named Karen Tumulty at Time Magazine.

[polmaven]

141. Unsubstatiated?

"Friends", "Advisers" and ...my favorite..."Associates"

How much more substantiation do we need?

:sarcasm:

[BigDDem]

48. My neighbors pet sitter has a cousin who's barber knows a

guy that has a source that heard a story that Hillary was telling "friends in private" that she is concerned about the
mental stability of some of the Clinton obsessed.

[mtnester]

126. I SAW that in a dream I had last night

I would have sworn it was true...pass it on

[BigDDem]

150. My sources say that word on the street is that

it really happened, really!

[CakeGrrl]

52. The MSM loves to stir up shit for Dems, but guess what?

The Clintons could put the kibosh on this with some pretty definitive statements.

If they wanted to. And therein lies the problem - there's a lot of disagreement about how much they really want to clear this up and support Obama.

But why should there be any surprise that we don't know what to think when we recall some of Hillary's speech the night Obama clinched the nomination?

"I'm not going to make any decisions tonight"

Terry McAuliffe: "The next President of the United States"

"18 million people voted for our campaign"

"We won more electoral votes" I'm still very :wtf: about that

"Our voices must be heard" - did she think someone was gagging her voters?

So I'm not going to let anyone berate me for daring to think that the Clintons might not be doing ALL they can do to show their support for the Democratic nominee.

[jazzjunkysue]

53. ABC= Electric and Petrolium Interests. They don't want Obama winning.

He'll call the play on everything they do:

John E. Bryson, Director since 2000, Mr. Bryson, 63, has served as Chairman of the Board, President and Chief Executive Officer of Edison International, the parent company of Southern California Edison, an electric utility, since 1990. He is also a director of The Boeing Company and a director/trustee for three funds in the Western Asset funds complex. (Forbes, compensation lists, online.)


http://www.muckety.com/John-E-Bryson/792.muckety

National Petrolium Council
Edison International
W.M. Keck Foundation

Between the Boeing Connection, Petrolium Council, and Edison International, he's not looking out for middle class taxpayers. He's as big and ugly as big business gets.

This is how/why the media controls the message. The media are in business for themselves and don't care one wit about truth or facts or "news." Media is now the propaganda machine of international business, and Hillary knows it.

These people are not going to roll over and die because Obama "won" the election. The election is irrelevant to them. They're not entirely american, anymore.

M I C, K E Y, M O U S E. Sing along, everyone!

[DFLforever]

54. Why not. That was her rationale for staying in later than

the odds warranted and for amassing a ridiculous amount of debt.
She still needs to pay it off. Why change the story until she has to on Nov. 5.

[Youphemism]

56. I'm not a Hillary fan, but this story is crap...

There's some genuine reason to be irked at Bill for his response about whether Obama is ready to be president -- if he had made the same response about his wife, there would be musings that a divorce is imminent.

But Hillary is walking a tightrope. She needs to keep her supporters happy for her own political future, she wants to thank them, and she's understandably flattered that they're so adamant on her behalf.

Her interests and Obamas are completely the same, no matter what motivations you might ascribe to them. Hillary has to be seen as a strong advocate for Obama -- if she doesn't do that and he loses, her lack of support would quash any chance she had for a 2012 White House bid.

The media is, as usual, trying to create a soap opera plot where none exists. Well... Almost none. I think Bill will eventually get out of his funk, but it's clear that he's still having trouble accepting things.

I've given Hillary quite a bit of flak, but I think she's being given a bad rap on this issue. Even though I don't trust her, it just makes no sense at all for her to make any moves that could even be perceived as undermining Obama. She's smart, she knows that, and this is just media hype.

We should get a bit of a letup from this crap for a while, as all the media soap opera writers work on adjectives for background stories to describe the trials and tribulations suffered by Olympic competitors.

[NJmaverick]

67. I haven't heard excuses this rediculus in some time

That last time I saw someone completely suspend reality to support a politician, they were defending george bush.

[Youphemism]

94. Yeah, your suggestion might make sense if I supported her...

I seriously doubt you dislike Hillary more than I do. I think you're letting your emotional reaction affect your assessment.

[NJmaverick]

98. I look at those two with a cold harsh logic

I want nothing more for the two of them to use their power to help the Obama and the party. Unfortunately the fact is they have done neither. I have no hate for them. Just dissappointment and contempt.

[Youphemism]

104. Okay, then I think you're letting your contempt affect your judgment...

Hillary can never become President if there's any hint that she isn't fully supporting Obama. If she gets caught sighing during one of his speeches and he loses, she's toast in 2012. She needs his supporters just like he needs hers.

So nothing about her torpedoing him makes sense. She may want to, but she knows darned well that she can't -- so she won't.

Bill is more petulant, so he's having a harder time accepting that reality. I think he'll come around, possibly after Hillary whacks him on the head a few times.

[NJmaverick]

108. "Hillary can never become President if there's any hint that she isn't fully supporting Obama."

How can you say that, when you have done nothing but make excuses for her doing far more than hinting?

[Youphemism]

184. Look at your reaction right now...

She'd already have a problem getting your vote, wouldn't she? If it became a popular perception that she had actively tried to undermine Obama, she wouldn't even be able to run in 2012. She knows it.

I hope you understand that I'm not arguing that she wouldn't undermine him based on principles, because we obviously agree that principles would not get in her way. I think she wouldn't want to be perceived as undermining him because it's not in her political interests to do it.

My bet is, after this round of media coverage, you'll see her take a step back soon. I seriously doubt she'll accept any nomination... Aside from the negative press it would get her, it would highlight the sizable number of defections among her supporters. If she's not a nominee, she can still hang onto the mantra that she got an impressive number of delegates for someone who wasn't nominated.

[gateley]

72. With all due respect to Hillary -

and I mean that sincerely regardless of what some of you might think -- I don't totally understand why she thinks SHE could win.

A few years ago I heard a story that those in Dem circles were concerned about her probable entry into the presidential race because her strong negatives with the Reps would light the fire under many people to get to the polls to vote AGAINST her.

At the time, I felt we'd deal with that when we came to it, and I was hoping she WOULD run and prove them wrong.

But it's a valid concern. And her opinion about Obama might be valid, too -- I'm sure there will be plenty spurred to vote against HIM, but I don't see where she thinks this wouldn't be a problem if she were the nominee. :shrug:

[emilyg]

80. Your OP's are indefensible.

[JackORoses]

92. my defense is that I support the Democratic Nominee, what is yours?

[emilyg]

96. You love to stir sh*t. Try unity.

[JackORoses]

122. What do you mean, "try unity"? I support the one and only Democratic Nominee

who do you support?

Unity does not mean prostrating ourselves before the Clintons.
They are the ones who have to accept their loss and move on with some shred of dignity.

I'll try your version of 'Unity' when Bill and Hilly sign on.

[emilyg]

176. It also does not mean

alienating Clinton supporters. This election will not be easy. We need every vote.

[PBS Poll-435]

81. There are about TEN people here that keep stirring up this ridiculous crap.

Wait a second....


OP -> 1
Recs-> 9
+_________
----> 10!

[NJmaverick]

86. More like two- Bill and Hillary

[janx]

90. ?

So you believe a story that is a rehash of a gossip column from Time Magazine? Why? Because it's fun?

[NJmaverick]

95. There are 2 people that could end everything and help Obama

and the party. Their lack of action is both telling and damning

[janx]

113. But you didn't answer my question.

Why would you believe such a shoddy piece of gossip?

[NJmaverick]

143. I don't care about the gossip, I am watching to see how what the Clintons do

in response. I hold them accountable for their own actions.

[janx]

148. In response to what? The gossip?

:rofl:

You're not very good at this.

[polmaven]

149. Because it is another reason

to heap vile on Hillary and Bill Clinton.

[janx]

198. On Hillary and Bill Clinton, or on the Dem party in general?

To play primary politics, or to divide people just before the convention? ;-) You and I have seen the lapses in logic, but we may disagree about their intentions.

The crappy media stuff is clear; we both know that.

[JackORoses]

93. for 2 months we didn't talk about the Clintons. we actually prefer not to.

but they have injected themselves back to the forefront purposely.
and they know exactly what the repercussions of this will be.

they deserve no quarter.

[PBS Poll-435]

100. Your vicious attacks on the Clintons make baby Jesus cry...

:cry::cry::cry::cry:


:eyes:

[DailyGrind51]

153. Baby Jesus has an Obama yard sign outside the stable!

[PBS Poll-435]

154. Only since June 3rd...

:P

[polmaven]

152. Exactly WHICH 2 months were THOSE?

:rofl:

[janx]

138. Yep...where'd they come from? n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

139. Mostly Free Republic, I would guess.

And Canada...


:evilgrin:

[janx]

144. Check this out:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2058226/posts#9

[City Lights]

91. I. Do. Not. Trust. ABC. They are not a reliable news source.

That is all.

[JackORoses]

97. Time Magazine is the source

do you distrust them as well?

[janx]

106. Show me the sources for the Time "news" story.

Where is the information coming from?

[City Lights]

107. Thanks for filling me in on the source.

:-)

Time is definitely more reliable than abc.

[janx]

109. OK, now please go to the Time story and try to find

the sources named there. ;-)

Edit: Here's the link

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1830119,00.html

[JoFerret]

110. Media fools and tools

Stop allowing yourself to be be played.

[DFW]

130. Amen to that. This is another non-story.

[NashVegas]

132. They Must Not Be Very Good Friends

If they go running to ABC with it.

[Jakes Progress]

134. Ahh. I see many have decided

to take the blue pill offered by the neocon press machine.

Always a strong argument to cite a story on network television as being believable. If they say Obama bad, they are nasty neocons. If they say Hillary bad, they are crusading journalists. ABC taps your patella and you jump.

Crimineny. Just how gullible can we get? How long will we keep doing the republican's job for them? If you are such sour winners, I hate to think what kind of loser you would be. Keep doing Rove's work for him by keeping the party divided, and we might get to see in November.

[JackORoses]

163. this is the Clintons' problem, not ABC's

You are so taken with them that you can't see any fault in their actions. Just how gullible can you get?

[Jakes Progress]

205. How gullible can you get?

That's a good question. I don't think we have reached the extent of the media's ability to get you to swallow yet. They manufactured a load and sold it with underarm deodorant and some time shares in Reno. We can't have a united party or we might actually win an election, so we get trolls baiting us to stir up reruns of the primaries, and because we so like a good grudge, we just plop down with some popcorn and a diet pepsi and cheer for our respective teams. Screw the country. Just so we get to snark on Hillary or bitch about Barack. That's so much more fun than actually doing something that would actually help us win. You know, all that coming together and moving forward stuff that Obama says we should do. Why listen to the man? We support him. Just not his message.

The point is that just because ABC says it's so doesn't mean it's so. Twisting and editing and rewrites are their stock in trade. But you have such a wad about the Clintons that you want to believe even the mainstream media. Do you also take them at their word when they talk about how out of touch and elitist Obama is? That is crap, too. A little consistency would be nice.

[JackORoses]

208. come back later when you've made a little more progress

[Jakes Progress]

216. It's easy to see when someone hits the wall

of logic. They use really snappy comebacks like "come back later".

Sorry, you don't get to say when someone gets to come or go.

You obviously have more desire to get on with a Clinton vendetta than any real desire to get Obama elected. So you just go on and keep trying to stop any progress towards getting the party together. But you really must stop trying to convince us that you have any belief in Obama since you so clearly don't want to act in ways that match his message. This is supposed to be us doing politics a new way. We are told that this is the party of inclusion and acceptance and unity. But, you stick with your path. MSM will be there to help you.

[JackORoses]

228. you don't make any attempt to defen what Bill has been saying or what Hill is allowing to happen

You attack me and others personally or you say "It's the Evil media"

You never think to blame the culprits always present at the scene of the 'accident', the Clintons.

We can forgive them for their failures, but that doesn't mean we have to forget and let them do it again.

[Jakes Progress]

243. Now that’s classic rove.

Accuse the other guy of doing what you do. You say I attack you after you tell me to go away until I progress some more (such a clever play on my signature). You call me gullible because I am so smitten with the Clintons that I don’t know enough to be a big old Obama fan. Then you tell me to defend them from a story that I have already said I don’t believe.

All of my statements stand. We have an election to win and the nasty bitterness that so many here keep throwing up is doing the republican’s job for them. You (this time the pronoun is singular) cite a silly story from a disreputable source as “proof” that Hillary is a poopy head. All your gang jump in to denounce her. It’s like you miss the primary. Beating mccain isn’t as much fun for you. You relished your past win and want to wallow in it some more. It reminds me of the small town high school football heroes. At 30 they still hang around the sidelines on Friday nights, looking for the thrill of their youth. They don’t move on.

Those of us who supported Clintons (some of us after others dropped out) and have moved on to try to help get Barack into the White House have grown up. We have a life in the here and now, fighting the republicans. But DU keeps getting battered with the primary warriors, still aching for the rush of the infighting and their “victory”.

As you cruise the mainstream media and blogways, searching for dirt on the Clintons, how about finding something constructive to post like problems with a possible mccain administration or the virtues of following Obama’s advice to move on and start embracing a new politics. I know it won’t give you the gut thrill of a Hillary jab, but it might just be a little more productive.

[Whisp]

224. the Clintons have a history of bullshitery, it's not so much that I believe ABC

but that the Clintons have proven to be liars and disruptors and I have no reason whatsoever to ever trust them again.

[Stephanie]

225. This is what they were saying before she dropped out. No surprise she is still saying it.

She was quoted as saying this to Bill Richardson. It's been her refrain all along.

[Jakes Progress]

244. Yep. That's what the media have told you.

So it must be true. Of course, no Democrat would have thought that four years ago. Back then, he was the president who balanced the budget, put people to work, and tried to get past the republican congress to stop the terrorists from coming here. But that was before the MSM campaign to keep Hillary from getting the nomination. There is not one whit, one feather, one measurable trace of difference between Hillary and Barack. But we got fed a constant stream of polluted air waives telling us otherwise. Team spirit and the cult of personality took over and we had a bully time spitting and hissing. Rove just sat and giggled. The primaries are over, but some team cheerleaders miss the limelight and just must return to the primary wars for one more gut pleasing jab. Enjoy the carnage. The only thing it does is hurt the party and hurt the chances we have to take over the white house. Obama knows this. He has said that this must stop. But those who praise his name ignore his message. People have let the republicans turn the Clintons into bogey men. They are gifted politicians with several years doing the dirty work of government. In twenty years, we can hope that Obama is still as effective and as committed to the good of the people. He already has dirt on his hands, dirt that comes with the job. If you see great differences in these people, you are not seeing well.

[Whisp]

251. Hillary lies if it can benefit her.

That's the verifiable truth and that's all I need to know.

I don't want to always wonder, is she or isn't she.
I will just accept that she does it all the time and save myself some trouble.

[Jakes Progress]

252. Sure is easier

than actually thinking and understanding. Just go with prejudice - it's so much easier.

[quickesst]

137. Another concerted effort....

by Obama fans(?)to further drive a wedge between Democratic voters.

" ABC - Hillary still telling friends in private that she doubts that Obama can win":eyes: (you'd expect higher standards from Democrats)

When this juvenile crap starts, and Clinton haters excercise their priority of bashing them over any desire to see Obama elected, one has to wonder what their goals actually are. Either too stupid to realize that when they go on one of their hate sprees, start calling names, and generally saying "fuck you", they are saying "fuck you" to eighteen million democrats. I suspect they know this, and their goal is not in the best interest of the Democratic Party, or of Obama's best interests. It sounds like the Bizarro World version of PUMA, or AMUP if you will. I understand that this is an addiction, probably more satisfying than a twenty-year heroin user's, and I also realize that if Clinton is not the vp choice, the addiction will not go away. I propose doing us both a favor. Choose HRC for the vp spot, which will not only satisfy my desire to see her as part of the ticket, but will provide quality dope for the hate addicts. No more second rate junk projecting hate through surrogate groups like PUMA. The source of the addiction will be available 24-7, and it won't even have to be cut. Funny how haters rail against groups like PUMA, while every day of their lives, they provide indisputable proof that if the results had been different, PUMA would look like a girl scout troop by comparison. Their actions and words are illogical in the scheme of things, but I reiterate, I'm not at all sure it's not planned that way. Go Obama, Go Clinton, Go whoever the vp is. That's being a democrat, and having confidence in our nominee. Something that is woefully lacking among this particular group. Try doing something useful for a change. You might like it. Thanks.
quickesst

[CampDem]

160. This is unsubstantiated rumor isn't it?

I think the M$M/pukes are revving up OPERATION CHAOS/PUMA.

M$M doesn't want unity because a fucked up dem convention will be more exciting.As a result they are digging for dirt on Clintons and distorting.

Freepers are predicting "race riots" and blood in the streets surrounding our convention so that Hillary can run in 2012. They hate Obama and Clinton a great deal, almost as much as our "liberal agenda". Isn't it their wet dream for us to fight each other and go into the convention in a huff?

I think that Obama will squash all of this by choosing Hillary as VP at the convention. Everyone needs to chill out and let Obama set the tone. If Obama says that the Clintons are against him then I might believe it.

[janx]

162. YES.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2058226/posts#9

[sniffa]

167. Ok, that's the second time you posted the link

I fail to see what that link has to do with the price of fish in Portugal.

:shrug:

[JackORoses]

173. it's the old "Hey, look over there" technique

[sniffa]

178. All the link is, is saying Obama hates America and caught on tape

It has nothing to do with this thread's topic.

I almost never click on FR links, so I assumed it was a thread about the same story, in an attempt to discredit it (and possibly compare the OP to freepers). Once it was posted a 2nd time I finally clicked on it. Not what I figured it would be. :shrug:

Oh, and you may be right.

[janx]

197. Sorry, sniffa--

go to the top of the linked thread. You've been around enough. I know you'll understand. Sorry that my link took you to a different part of the discussion.

[sniffa]

201. Sorry, I clicked on both of your links

Your first, was to the original post, and your second was to a post on that thread. What does that have to do with this thread?

I can guess what you mean, and the guess is not too good - that you're just trying to compare this to Free Republic. I see no relation otherwise. Granted, I didn't read the entire FR thread, but mainly the two posts you linked too.

The second link is to download.com and I have no interest in clicking on it; and based on the poster's description, it seems to be a video of Obama saying America is not good, or something.

:shrug:

I may be missing something, but I'm guessing it's comparing that thread to this one... even though they have nothing in common.

[janx]

204. Check mail, please! n/t

[eridani]

181. You believe ANYTHING from ABC News?

Shame on you.

[Skip Intro]

193. Nah, he believes anything that slimes Hillary.

[Phx_Dem]

185. There is always a silver lining.

The silver lining in this story is that because the Clintons are acting like such complete assholes, Obama will feel no obligation to include them in his administration, in any capacity. God knows, he probably will anyway but he won't be obligated.

Obama is a much bigger person than I. If it were me, I wouldn't even invite those two to the inauguration.

[GoesTo11]

188. A year ago, she doubted Obama could win the nomination.

For what it's worth.

[Zomby Woof]

192. And ABC is any more credible than Fox how?

Remember, this is the same network that ran the anti-Clinton 9-11 movie. Disney's GOP media arm (Always Bashing Clinton) has a vested interest in stirring up the flames between Obama and Hillary supporters. Don't you believe this story for a millisecond.

Hell, this is the network that gives Charles Gibson a paycheck.

[KingFlorez]

195. How do they know this?

How could anybody possibly know what anyone is telling their friends in private? This is all nothing but contrived crap.

[JackORoses]

229. because friends talk, obviously

reporters have been using anonymous sources for as long as their profession has existed.

just because it is anonymous doesn't make it false. e.g. Deep Throat wasn't lying.

[shenenebrown]

200. Anonymous sources

Why is it that all the Clinton "reports" quote anonymous sources only?

[Ewellian]

209. My guess:

anonymous source = Republican operative

[RBInMaine]

203. Don't believe this corporate media bullshit !

[Stephanie]

212. Despicable. And not exactly "private," now is it?

Why won't she just go away.

[Stephanie]

219. This absolutely tells me she will not be VP. She wd not be leaking this if she were.

Reminds me of another bitter woman:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6606343

[Whisp]

226. this and Bill's latest stunt tell me they were just officially informed

there is no vp spot for Hillary and now they're taking their last kick at the Obama cat.

well, hopefully their last.
If they continue this after the convention it will tell me that there is more to their shenanigans than personal ego and hurt pride - that they have heavy weights bearing down of Them. the corporate world must not be so pleased with them - them having it pretty well aced before the primaries even started - and how they blew it so shockingly dismally.

I think their masters may be a bit angry.

[TexasObserver]

220. The story was obviously planted by Hillary with little George Steppin Off On Us

The Clintons are always so transparent when they manipulate.

Cue the Clinton toadies like Bill Press to write a story and talk about it.

Cue Mini Me Steppin Off On Us to run a story on ABC.

Cue home video of Hillary and 15 supporters on Fox News.

It's all so transparently Clintonian, so clearly contrived to steal a few news cycles.

[democracy1st]

227. K & R

[barack the house]

231. OK, the news item does seem very spin filled this is good they came out together.

[tedoll78]

235. Am I at Free Republic?

Some of the comments above - from both sides - would have me believe so.

Mods? You're allowing this to still continue? Very disappointing. The shit directed at our nominee and our also-ran(s) is vicious. Shameful. Unconstructive.

[pecwae]

245. Hard to tell lately.

[RedShoes]

239. it's not indefensible. It's bullshit. It's also NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS WHAT SOMEONE SAYS

in PRIVATE. See? PRIVATE. That PRIVATE word meaning NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS. What the hell kind of gustapo bullshit *IS* this? What's next? LOYALTY OATHS???? Oh nooooooooooooooooes. Hillary may have said something that I was not, and am not rivy to hear. Oh noooooooooooes.

Talk about concern trolling.

[JackORoses]

250. if she doesn't believe Obama can win then she has no business at the Convention,

and most certainly not on the Ticket

[unfaithful_servant]

255. Do you really believe ABC?

I doubt there are many Dems who believe this nonsense. You should reconsider.

[Stephanie]

256. Right, ABC and Time magazine and Bill Richardson are just liars.

What would be their motive for making this up?

[unfaithful_servant]

257. To divide Dems

it seems fairly simple. There's no benefit to Obama in spreading these kinds of rumors and creating division within the party so late in the campaign season.

It also keeps Dems and voters from focusing on issues - the most important thing of all. Educating voters on the benefits of electing Obama and Dems to other elective office is really important as we're approaching the time when the average voters is beginning to pay attention to the election.

Now is the time to focus on party unity and educating voters.

[Stephanie]

258. I have no doubt she's still saying this, and I'm glad they're reporting it.

Because it knocks her out of the VP running. With her in the VP slot we'd have no chance at all, so ABC is doing us a favor.

[Stephanie]

259. You are aware that both Clintons used this argument overtly with swing voters, right?

It's been widely reported in the past. The only new news here is that she's STILL saying it.

[unfaithful_servant]

260. The Democratic Party "unity" train

Its time to stop the Clinton bashing and get on board.

[Stephanie]

262. We're asking that the CLINTONS get on board. Badmouthing our nominee is very poor form.

And quoting them is not "bashing" them. If you don't like what they have to say, you shouldn't support them.

[RetroLounge]

261. What part of "friends in private" did you miss?

God, this whole fucking place is full of national enquirer reading faux-outrage righteous-wingers.

:puke:

RL