I supported Hillary will all my heart this primary season but Obama is the nominee.

[rinsd]

She fought hard but ultimately came up short of what is required to be nominated.

Obama achieved that goal.

What is going on now with herself, Bill and some of her supporters is wrong.

I believe its a political gambit to secure her place in the convention and party vs an actual challenge to the nomination but its still wrong and unnecessarily divisive when we have to prepare NOW for the fight ahead.

[TheDebbieDee]

1. Hello?! Putting her name on the ballot is completely traditional

and symbolic, only. Didn't you get the follow-up memo?

Placing other candidate's names on the ballot has occurred at every other Dem Convention. Stop buying into the hype that the Clinton-hating mouth-breathers keep putting out there. There's nothing out of the ordinary about Hillary's name being placed on the ballot.

[Kittycat]

2. It's about Unity.

There is no reason, when the race was so close to first, embarrass Hillary further by putting her name on there just so she can lose all over again. Second, it's about Unity. She'll do the right thing for the party, and not put her name on that ballot. In exchange, she'll have a day of honor and celebration for her supporters.

[GoesTo11]

15. A day of honor and celebration for her supporters

No, a day of unity with her supporters and Obama.

This isn't about Hillary anymore. It's about winning. It makes no sense to just spend the whole second to last day of the convention building up someone who isn't the nominee.

The party can honor and celebrate her, but it has to be smart about how it spends its prime time coverage.

[Kittycat]

47. I do agree with you.

I should have phrased it better. I believe I read something about the DNC celebrating Women's rights, etc - and letting Clinton lead the parade. I think that's an appropriate thing to do.

[GoesTo11]

48. Sounds very good to me

[Colobo]

3. Listen to rinsd. He was a staunch Hillary supporter that understands

what's going on right now.

[rinsd]

4. I know what it is.

She would be better served by championing Obama more than doing this during the convention. She must explain to her supporters that favor this action that she fully support Obama and the best thing to do as her supporters is to donate to him and to the party. I know she has said that but she leaves the door wide open for other crap.

She's allowing this disgruntled group to turn our time to shine as Democrats into a made for TV floor fight (even if the conclusion is foregone).

[Colobo]

5. You're 100% right!

[JackORoses]

51. how about agreeing that her supporters needed to "yell and scream" at the Convention?

[DURHAM D]

6. Poppycock.

You need a history lesson.

[Occam Bandage]

8. Here's some history: when Dems are divided at the convention, they lose.

[rinsd]

10. Its not that tradition of placing the name. Its the creation of the rallying point.

This was a close election, there were/are some hard feelings.

Having a floor vote with the candidate's consent & encouragement is a bad political move. For her, for the party and for our nominee.

[ProSense]

11. "You need a history lesson." Here's a history lesson,

albeit recent history:

Remember the attempts (including Hillary's) to use past primaries to claim there was nothing wrong with people converging on the RBC meeting. It turned into a friggin circus with Hillary's delegates trying to shout down the vile losers. Obama won, but the RBC meeting's circus atmosphere did nothing to promote unity, and we're still seeing the results of continually trying to justify that potential circus before it happened.

Stop trying to excuse away the circus these PUMA assholes are creating.

This is not the 1980s. This is a different era, complete with extremely bitter assholes intent on being disrupters. You can make the argument about precedent and claim that rational Hillary supporters have a right to do this, but what about the disrupters? You know they're going to be there in numbers. There is no way to vet the crowd so why promote a situation that will likely turn into a circus?

All one needs to do is look at the video of Hillary speaking to a group of supporters to know that this situation is a circus in the making.

[JackORoses]

52. That seems to be Bill's favorite new chew toy. Poppy Bush's, that is...

[Occam Bandage]

7. Rinsd, you are entirely and completely correct. It's bullshit.

[BeyondGeography]

9. K&R

[TwilightGardener]

12. I agree--nothing else matters right now but unifying the party and winning.

Anything that disrupts those goals is sabotage, pure and simple. The convention isn't primarily intended to "honor" people, or "allow catharsis", it's not just a dramatic TV spectacle--it's a unifying platform-promoting and nomination process--period.

[dionysus]

13. K&R!!

:thumbsup:

[Upfront]

14. Hate is to strong a feeling

but total disgust, anger, pity, and mis-trust describe my feeling. Her roll call vote is bullshit. If she runs in another time she shouldn't count on my vote. She had my vote at one time. Obama would be crazy to pick her for V. P.

[TheDebbieDee]

16. I'm channeling another poster when I say

that your confidence in Sen. Obama is SO fragile that his nomination/support cannot withstand even the most traditional of convention events. You're saying that she's planning to stage a coup of the Democratic Party at the convention? Is that what you're saying?

That's INSANE!

Some of us Obama supporters are more than a little paranoid and are letting our Clinton-hate get the better of us. Some of us should seek help for our paranoid delusions, quick!

[rinsd]

19. I thought I was pretty clear that I don't think its a coup.

I think its a risky political gambit.

I think its a very bad idea.

I also think she can nip this in the bud by not placing her name on the ballot.

I am confident in Obama & his organization's abilities.

But I remember 2000 & 2004 and the effect of the media on elections

The party and the nominee do not need even a hint of a floor fight.

[TheDebbieDee]

28. Well, this little nugget of info about putting her name on the ballot

was put out there by the MSM to get a reaction from some of the more volatile Obama supporters. The MSM has learned that the mere mention of the Clinton name gets a half-a$$ed crazed, Pavlovian response from the reactionaries of the Dem supporting block (some of the reactions strongly resemble freeper reactions to the Clinton name).

Congratulations on proving once again that the MSM really knows how to play you fools like fiddles!

[SIMPLYB1980]

38. Well said.

[rinsd]

39. Exactly. By even hinting at this, she is allowing herself to become a pawn for the MSM.

This is to damage the nominee.

Combine with RNC on message that Obama supporters are cult fanatics, starstruck young people and Germans while "real" Democrats (ie: typical Hillary supporters) don't support him.

Wake the fuck up.

[Shakespeare]

41. Nice avatar ya got there.

It's not Clinton hate. It's not insecurity about Obama's support. It's about dealing with a group of alleged democrats who are actively working to undermine our nominee. Simple as that.

Fuck them, and fuck the Clintons for not putting a stop to it. Fuck Bill for sitting in that ABC interview, and when given numerous chances, flat-out refusing to say anything positive about Obama. Fuck ALL of that.

[TheDebbieDee]

43. I will use Hillary Clinton as my avatar as long as it continues to

push the buttons of Clinton-hating morons!

[Shakespeare]

46. Yes, I'm quite sure you will. n/t

[Growler]

49. Happy to put you on Ignore

[scheming daemons]

17. Thank you..... a Clinton supporter who "gets it"

[PresidentObama]

18. Where has Hillary said she wants a roll coll and to be nominated?

She hasn't.

[rinsd]

22. That she is disucssing it as an option is the problem.

Asked by a supporter at a California fundraiser whether she would consider putting her name into nomination at the Democratic National Convention later this month, Clinton suggested she was considering the option.

"I happen to believe that we will come out stronger if people feel that their voices were heard and their views were respected. I think that is a very big part of how we actually come out unified," she said. "No decisions have been made. And so we are trying to work all this through with the DNC and with the Obama campaign."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Clinton_Obama_reiterate_unity.html

[PresidentObama]

27. She was discussing how her supporters voices could best be heard at the convention.

It was clear she was surrounded by many of those who still wanted her nominated at the DNCC, so she addressed her role and her want for 18 million Democrats to be heard. She said nothing to suggest she is going to use the notion of being nominated to get anything or cause any trouble.

You for one should know she simply wants her supporters voices heard. Some of them, like you, have moved on completely. And good, we need to elect Obama--and I'm glad that's your focus. But we have some who support Obama who are still upset and depressed about this, and want their voices heard. They aren't PUMA's, just want their voices heard. And that's what she was addressing.

[rinsd]

30. My disagreement with her on this does not mean I do not still love and support her.

While you can characterize it as her supporters getting their voices heard, the MSM is licking its chops with dissension in the ranks stories. They frame it. Not us. Not even her supporters. The media frames it how they want and that is how they framed much of the primaries.

Already MSM is casting her as some sore loser spoiling for a fight.

[PresidentObama]

37. The media will trash her no matter what. That's not her fault.

[rinsd]

42. Exactly. So why hand them fresh garbage?

Part of the problem with her campaign was the media was looking for blood and she & the campaign too often provided it.

[ProSense]

31. Why do always try to gloss over reality?

Updated Observers have all but ruled her out as a potential running mate to Senator Barack Obama, but Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is not going away.

In a video clip making the rounds today, which, according to ABC News is from a fund-raiser in California on Thursday, Mrs. Clinton fielded a question about whether her name would be “placed in nomination” at the convention.

“Well, I’m asked this question every day. And it is a question that I think is a very obvious one to ask. I mean, what will happen at the convention in respect to you know, my putting my name in nomination, the roll-call vote, you know, the usual kind of process that occurs at conventions,” she responded, emphasizing the word “usual.”

She continued:

We’re trying to work that out with the Obama campaign and with the D.N.C. I happen to believe that we will come out stronger if people feel that their voices were heard and their views were respected. And I think that is a very big part of how we actually come out unified, because I know from just what I’m hearing that there’s just this incredible pent-up desire. And I think that people want to feel like, O.K., it’s a catharsis, we’re here, we did it, and then everybody get behind Senator Obama. That is what most people believe is the best way to go. No decisions have been made.

Although it appears unlikely that Mrs. Clinton will actually have her name placed in nomination – a process that could technically give her the nomination if delegates change their professed positions but would more likely highlight lingering divisions among Democrats – the possibility provides her with a strategic advantage in negotiations with the Obama campaign about her role at the convention and fund-raising to relieve her debt.

link

Watch the video, the group's intention is not just a celebration of Hillary.

[PresidentObama]

40. I've seen the video. I'm not glossing over reality, you're glossing over the truth.

[ProSense]

44. Here's the truth:

Hillary: "I mean, what will happen at the convention in respect to you know, my putting my name in nomination, the roll-call vote, you know, the usual kind of process that occurs at conventions"

The "usual kind of process" that promotes unity.

Hillary: "I happen to believe that we will come out stronger if people feel that their voices were heard and their views were respected."

The usual process, where have I heard that before?

There is nothing "usual" about the manifest bitterness of the group Hillary spoke to.




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[Raineyb]

53. Will we be needing to allow the other candidate's supporters to "have a voice" as well?

I suspect not. I see no reason to give Clinton's supporters any special treatment.

We've got enough of an uphill battle with the overlong primaries and the media's love affair with Senator McLame to overcome without putting this out there to deal with too.

This voice meme is fuckery, it's divisive and it's a bad idea. We don't need anything that looks like a floor fight. What part of this is so hard for Clinton supporters (who should have moved on already it's been two bleeding months for Pete's sake) to get?

Regards

[napoleon_in_rags]

20. Oh, so Hillary is going to stage a coup at the convention?

I'm asking because I actually want to hear you say it, not imply it.

[scheming daemons]

21. The OP specifically said she is NOT. Learn how to read.

[napoleon_in_rags]

23. No, the original post did not. nt

[scheming daemons]

26. Again... learn to read... the OP has not been edited....

"I believe its a political gambit to secure her place in the convention and party vs an actual challenge to the nomination "


The OP is saying that it is NOT a "coup attempt".

[napoleon_in_rags]

32. No, I admit that I'm lost.

So the horror of horrors is that Hillary is going to secure her place in the convention? and this is something we need to prepare to fight? Okaaay.

[PresidentObama]

24. Of course she didn't, we all know what she said.

She said she wanted her supporters to feel heard the convention, and she does.

She nothing about staging a coup, and hasn't said she wants to be nominated.

They're making this shit up in their heads.

[ellacott]

33. The biggest problem I've seen is this failure to communicate

All the puma people who have gone on Fox and who are gathering on the internets are making it clear that they don't want unity. How can you ignore this.

No one has said she is planning a coup. What most people are concerned about is that this will be a divided party.

[Zuiderelle]

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[TheDebbieDee]

35. Your's is a fitting response to the garbage that is the original post...........

[David Zephyr]

29. rinsd, the definition of a raisin is a very worried grape. It's all under control.

The convention is going to be a huge unity fest and you will be proud.

Stop the worrying as we need you as a grape, not a raisin.

Unity in Devner!

[PresidentObama]

34. Cheers! Unity in Denver! GOBAMA!

[scheming daemons]

36. rinsd..... prepare to be called a "paranoid Obama supporter who can't let go of the primaries"

[rinsd]

45. Fuck those people.

I fought the good fight for a whole year before some of them even showed up here.

Now I understand that some of my fellow Hillary supporters may take issue with what I've said but only someone who wasn't in the trenches last year would call me that.

[Peacetrain]

50. My brother was one of the strongest Hillary supporters around.

My hubby and I are Obama supporters and my son was a whip for Biden. :). To be honest with you I think my brother Mike, was wanting Bill back in office more than anything else. I remember asking him (he is in South Dakota), why was he voting Hillary, when it was obvious that Obama was going to head the ticket, and he told me.. he understood that, but he had put so much effort into the campaign that he just wanted to cast that vote.

But now, he has said himself, "enough is enough." To quote Mike, "I got to cast my vote, and now its time to elect Obama"

Just saying