I wonder if Senator Clinton approves of these Puma protests. One in Pittsburgh Saturday

[madfloridian]

They are doing another one protesting Dean in Pittsburgh as the bus tour continues for the platform planning.

Let your voice be heard at the platform meeting

If you can find ANY way to get to Pittsburgh this weekend, YOU could make the difference at both the Denver convention and for ALL future Democratic primaries. This is a historic gathering in that it is a rare instance in which the platform committee has high-stakes matters to debate and vote on, and where there is significant division within the party as well as which rules should govern the democratic process.

Imagine if we could change future primaries so that there are never again any caucuses — that alone makes going to Pittsburgh worth it! Imagine if we can ensure that Democratic candidates must endorse “universal health care,” that alone is worth it. Imagine if we can ensure that Democratic candidates must speak out for ALL human rights, including gender and sexual equality, that alone is worth it.

YOUR first job at 4:30 p.m. this Friday (August 8): Greet Howard Dean at his (cough) “Register for Change” rally at “Freedom Corner,” at the intersections of Centre Avenue & Crawford Street in Pittsburgh (about one mile from the Westin Hotel, 1000 Penn Avenue, Pittsburgh, where most of the delegates will be staying). Carry a “I Own My Vote” sign with you! (Overnight orders, or call [phone] or [phone] | minimum order of 25 signs costs $69.95. Stickers and other signs will be available tomorrow.)

It is free speech, of course. Do a Google blog search on Puma blogs, and you will see they have free speech all over the internet.

Here's an example of their shouting down Howard Dean in Charlotte, but they hounded him in 4 other cities. Even Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin got upset with them...and they blasted her on their blogs as well.

Dean was in Stockbridge, Maine last week, and he was yelled at there as well.

So welcome to Pittsburgh, Governor Dean. Their free speech continues because that is what Democrats believe in.

[Marrah_G]

1. FFS.......

:eyes:

[Metric System]

24. Another thread, another excuse to bash Hillary. The MAJORITY of Hillary supporters are now

supporting Obama. Why do you insist on focusing on the 15% or whatever as if it's a reflection on Hillary and the other 85% of her supporters who ARE supporting Obama?!? It's nothing but divisive bullshit. If you think you are contributing to unity anymore than these folks you're obsessed with, well, think again.

Let me repeat myself- the majority of Hillary supporters, with her coaxing, are now supporting Obama as the nominee. WHY are you blaming her for the relatively few who won't back Obama? It makes no sense and tells me that you have an agenda. If Hillary gets the blame for the minority who won't back Obama, who gets credit for the majority of her supporters who are backing him? Something tells me you wouldn't give Hillary credit for that.

[madfloridian]

26. I am bashing the groups that are harassing the chairman and others.

They even harassed the Atlanta Mayor. Then they ridicule them when they try to be nice.

I find it outrageous. Hillary can stop it, but she is encouraging it.

[Metric System]

29. Oh how ridiculous! You really think she can convince 100% of her supporters to back Obama? Your

standards are impossibly high and completely ridiculous. Again, if 85% of her former supporters are now backing Obama, does she get credit for that? Or is she only blamed for the relatively few who won't back him? It makes no sense.

[madfloridian]

30. I am known for being ridiculous and ignorant.

You can not hurt my feelings. Hillary knows they are planning a parade to distupt the convention, she knows they are stalking Dean. She has been told. She apparently does not care.

[Metric System]

32. I guess there's no point in arguing with you. I just don't know what you want or what you expect.

AND I didn't call you ridiculous or ignorant. I said your comment and standards are ridiculous. There's a difference. I don't know where the ignorant part came from...

[Evergreen Emerald]

44. "harass?"

Definitions are everything. You are starting to sound like the media.

You are correct about one thing: this is America and people can protest without fear of being arrested for heresy.

[madfloridian]

51. Yes, they can protest a man who has worked his butt off for change.

They can disrupt and disturb...because they have the right to free speech.

But I am not supposed to talk about it here.

[AllentownJake]

2. 25 people show up with their pots and pans

15 of them GOP operatives and Dean shakes his head in disgust when he gets back on the bus.

[gateley]

3. I wish they'd leave Dean alone.

We're trying to register more voters. Such demonstrations aren't going to attract many newcomers.

[AllentownJake]

4. thats the point

to disrupt...the voter registration thing scares them...they were replaced and irrelevant.

[madfloridian]

6. It's annoying and counterproductive.

Which does not seem to matter to them.

They blasted Mayor Franklin when she got a little huffy with them in Atlanta. It's sad. Everyone is supposed to take it and not speak out.

[babylonsister]

5. We all believe in free speech, or at least I do. Doesn't mean I have

to like it. I have no words for this mindset because I don't understand it.
Well, I could probably come up with something, but I'm refraining. :D

[madfloridian]

11. I know what you mean.

My tongue is sore from my biting it. :-)

[SwampG8r]

52. how about a combo word

maybe
confrontusional

a delusional mindset that causes a depth of belief so deep as to create a confrontational state to maintan the delusions

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

7. Larry Shitbag Johnson is representing his own agenda, not Hillary's.

He's pushing for Chicago 68 the sequel. He probably was hoping for a Hillary win in the primaries, so the Denver operation could be painted as a "race war". But he'll settle for the neutered kitties as scapegoats. They'll do fine for what his employers have in mind.

[babylonsister]

14. Is he? How do you know that? And what's up with you? nt

[Pisces]

8. THese are sales people, of course she is secretly happy that people are still protesting for her.

These people do not like to lose. She can't openly encourage them, but she can cheer them in private.

[roseBudd]

9. PUMASs are bugging SDs with neverending astroturf which has provoked some irritated

responses which they published.

Way to influence the SSs spam them.

“Hillary ran a very impressive campaign and deserves all the respect that entails. Puma and your tactics diminish that respect. Flooding the e-mails of delegates with hundreds of the same rhetoric does nothing to further your cause.” — James Akers, Texas delegate to Democratic voters who contacted him via email, July 11, 2008.

“Please remove me from list” — Allan Katz, Florida Super Delegate in response to email requests from individual Democrats who asked him to put Senator Clinton’s name into nomination in Denver.



“I must confess a bit of fatigue and irritation with people who continue to carp, complain, and criticize the results of the primary and lay down conditions for their support. The Los Angeles Lakers didn’t establish conditions to recognize the Boston Celtics as NBA Champions; Roger Federer did not demand concessions before recognizing that Rafael Nadal defeated him at Wimbledon.” — Don Fowler, DNC Member at Large and former Chair of the DNC, and Alice Germond, Secretary of the DNC, in a letter to Democratic donors, July 19, 2008

[madfloridian]

10. Someone here posted a lot of letters they had received from Dems

But I don't remember who.

[roseBudd]

38. The PUMAs postem them on their blog, they seem to think bugging the shit out of SDs is good

They hate Obama.

[wisteria]

12. I am beginning to think Clinton wants to stir up trouble and her small

group of over zealous supporters are trying to make it seem as though she is more well liked and should be VP. I would think she wouldn't like Dean, she couldn't control him like other entrenched Dem leaders beholden to the Clinton's.

[madfloridian]

13. I always said FL and MI would carry over to the general.

Because no one ever told the truth...that the two states were manipulated after the Democrats in those states broke the rules and blamed Dean.

That's what this is about after all....Dean is their target.

This interview of hers was one of the most devastating done here...from the St. Pete Times.

In St. Pete Times interview Hillary Clinton attacks Obama and the DNC.

[anonymous171]

15. I..hate...Larry Johnson...so...fucking...much

He started that whole "wh****" bullshit.

[DFLforever]

16. This is Operation Chaos Part 2

And who was the beneficiary of Operation Chaos Part1?
There's your answer. :puke:

[madfloridian]

17. I never intended to post this event in Atlanta....gives her traffic.

But this is the kind of mindset we are dealing with. It is what Hillary is not discouraging....it is what Dean and Mayor Franklin and others deal with constantly.

There were about 6 or 7 in the crowd of 150 who went to see Dean and the bus arrive. Shirley Franklin was with Dean. Dean tried to engage them and they ridiculed him at their blog.

This is shameful. Only one person can even begin to put a stop to it, and she does not seem inclined.

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/atlanta-pumas-show-dean-some-southern-hospitality/

"Yeeeeaaahhhh!!

Yesterday Howard Dean was down in Atlanta for a “voter registration rally” featuring Howard Dean and our O-bot Mayor, Shirley Franklin - and as you know, we Southeast PUMAs infiltrated the meeting! There were 6-7 of us, and we made a huge impression in the group of ~150 or so that turned up as part of Howard Dean’s tour of Georgia. - The PUMA signs (attached here) and PUMA people were hard to miss, and we were front and center in the group, right under Dr.Dean’s nose, so he couldn’t pretend he didn’t see us."

"He ended up acknowledging our presence and commented during the speech that he saw “Hillary supporters in the group”, and most of the crowd applauded loudly at that (our Mayor’s expression instantly turned into disgust – that lady needs some serious body-language-and-facial-expression training). He also didn’t seem to have any compunctions taking credit from Bill’s work – one of his points in the speech was that Republicans pretend to be better on the economy, but there has been just one President in the last forty years who managed to balance our national budget, and that was William Jefferson Clinton.

Howard Dean also reacted to one of our PUMA signs (“’Obama: Reaching out to Evangelists? Try reaching out to Democrats!”). He tried explaining why the DNC was interested in reaching out to evangelicals and said that that group’s three biggest concerns were (A) poverty, (B) the environment and global warming, and (C) Darfur, and since the Democratic party has the right answers on those three issues, we have a chance with converting them, and so we should reach out to them. Of course, his explanation made no logical sense at all - we democrats and PUMAs don’t have a problem with reaching out to people on poverty or global warming (and seriously, does he acknowledge that the Democratic party does not have the right answers on other questions???)…. We have issues with Obama wanting to expand ‘faith-based initiatives’ and fund them with government money. We have issues with Obama saying ‘women should talk to their pastors and husbands’ before making abortion decisions. We have issues with Obama’s campaign using religious framing, language and evoking Baby Jesus/Second Coming language while talking about a politician. We have serious issues with Obama’s Rev. Wright using his religious position and his church sermons to trash Hillary and Bill Clinton and make crude gestures and remarks about a former President and a sitting US Senator."

This is meant to antagonize and anger.

It is working. Sorry for giving one of the most active Puma's hits, but it is time to realize what is going on. They are hounding Dean.

[beachmom]

45. That is awful. I hadn't heard about that. I can't get down to the city

that often, but I would have LOVED to give them a piece of my mind.

[madfloridian]

59. There was no media coverage of the event in the mainstream media.

Not that I could find. I did searches with Franklin's name in them, and nothing for that event. A couple of blogs mentioned it, but not that much.

It was an in your face protest just because they can. :shrug:

[madfloridian]

18. I posted about this because there is a victim....Howard Dean.

It is not a victimless little bit of politics....he is targeted openly everywhere he goes because he abided by the rules.

So there is a reason for this post.

It is targeting the chairman of the party who is trying to win an election with his 50 state plan.

[appleannie1]

20. You hit the nail right on the head. They should be thankful for

the 50 state plan, one that is working for Democrats all across this country. Instead they are acting worse than sore losers. Their juvenile behavior reminds one of a temper tantrum by a 3 year old that has been told no in the grocery store when he demanded a candy bar. The few are making the entire Democratic party look bad while they are attacking someone they should be thanking.

[madfloridian]

22. They are deliberately targeting him....and no one is defending him.

And I resent it very much.

People are afraid to speak up for him.

[madfloridian]

19. Update...they are trying to get Donna Brazile's superdelegate status stripped.

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/late-night-action-alert/

Just ugly stuff. Targeting good Democrats just to be smarty pants.

Sad

[AspenRose]

40. This shit has to stop.

:mad:

[TexasObserver]

21. Her failure to publicly and loudly condemn is her consent.

It's obvious she has no intention of actually showing a little leadership and slapping her fringe players into line. Instead, she gives them tacit approval by her failure to stand up and tell them to shut up and fall into line.

She's going to end her political career in the next three months if she doesn't get her act together.

[Hippo_Tron]

23. Why are we getting all worked up about a group that numbers in the hundreds at most?

The LAST thing I would want Senator Clinton to do is acknowledge these peoples' existence. They aren't worth it.

[madfloridian]

25. They are harassing the party chairman mercilessly.

When he is trying to get the job done.

I do not intend to ignore them. They are well-funded, and everyone is catering to them instead of speaking out.

They are stalking Dean and harassing him.

[Hippo_Tron]

27. And if we acknowledge them they will just get more attention

It's the same thing as when Codepink goes to hearings held by John Conyers and Henry Waxman and act like obnoxious assholes. Conyers and Waxman could have security escort them out of the building but then that would get media attention. Sadly it's better to let them act like obnoxious assholes.

These people simply can't and won't be silenced by force. The best thing you can do is ignore them so that they get discouraged and think that they aren't having an impact.

[madfloridian]

28. Okay, then you ignore them.

I think someone needs to take up for their victim, which is Dean.

And anyone who appears with him on the bus tour. People are getting angry. Hillary can stop it, she won't.

You ignore them, I will keep an eye out.

They are stalking the chairman.

[Hippo_Tron]

31. How can Hillary stop these people?

Their leader as I recall is a life-long Republican who claims she was a Hillary supporter and then as soon as Hillary lost she became a McCain supporter. These people are either Republican moles or irrational assholes. In the case of the Republicans they obviously don't give a shit about what Hillary has to say and in the case of the irrational assholes, they simply can't be reasoned with even by Hillary.

Hillary gave a wonderful speech endorsing Senator Obama when she conceded and every serious Democrat got on board after that speech. These people are nothing more than Republican hecklers at this point. Having Clinton acknowledge them would give the impression that they are serious Democrats when they are clearly not.

[TexasObserver]

39. She can stop them by calling them up and saying "knock it off."

She won't because she is a slave to her ego, which is massive and undeserved.

[Metric System]

33. He's not Chairman Mao, you know. I'm sure he can handle the dissent.

[madfloridian]

57. That's not dissent...that's stalking and harassment. He is their victim.

And he has to take it without saying a word.

He is their victim.

[Peacetrain]

47. madfloridain, I think I finally get what you are saying..

That if Hillary just let them know (this little group) that they do not represent her stance. Then, we would be able to sort the wheat from the chaff as they say.

The operatives have the freedom to keep doing and saying anything they want, we are a free country. But they will not be able to hide behind honest Democrats who supported Hillary.

Those who are really committed to Hillary, would respect her wishes, and the Operation Chaos operatives would be exposed and we could unite behind that exposure of people trying to meddle in party business. This on going hacking at us to keep us from being fully united and going forward.

The republicon operatives did the same thing with Ralph Nadar. The funded him, to bring down the party, and used a Liberal icon to divide us. And while using him, laughed all the way to the polls and he has never recovered from that. I still don't think Ralph Nadar realizes how he was used, and how his legacy was abused by those guys.

[madfloridian]

55. That is the gist of what I am saying.

If she is aware of this group, of the fact they are hounding Governor Dean everywhere he goes and keeping attention off the voter drives...then she could and should do more.

Not all would listen, but many would.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

34. PUMA idiots can't help themselves.

They are entrenched, bitter, apoplectic fools. I don't believe Clinton courts them, I think she just considers them the irrelevant nuisances they are and pays them no service.

[Justitia]

35. They are f'ing stupid as well as annoying - caucuses aren't run by the PARTY, they are run by STATES

But I'm sure they won't let a little thing like facts get in the way of their ridiculous, obnoxious agenda.

I can't believe these morons ever considered themselves Democrats (although they probably never did).

[Prophet 451]

36. The PUMA people aren't pro-Hillary

The vast majority of Hillary's supporters have followed her lead and got behind Obama. The fact that the PUMA people won't indicates they aren't pro-Hillary, they just really, really hate Obama.

[Azathoth]

37. She probably regards them as useful idiots n/t

[Marrah_G]

41. This stuff is so beneath you.

It makes me very sad to see.

[TexasObserver]

42. As is your run-on sentence chiding everyone who disagrees with you.

Here's an idea: don't click on threads where people are understandably upset about the latest selfish shenanigans by the Clintons. You'll feel better, and I can promise you that the members here who do want to win in November will feel better.

[dionysus]

48. every single PUMA thread you show up to defend your PUMA peeps...

why is that? :shrug:

[Name removed]

49. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[dionysus]

53. why marrah_g, that wasn't very nice... not nice at all...

why can't you answer the question? How come in every PUMA thread you must run in and defend your PUMA peeps? :shrug:

[barack the house]

43. Hillary needs to make a unity ad that is the answer.

[Arkansas Granny]

46. Hillary has asked her supporters to join her in her support of Obama and most

of us have done so. She has no control over those who have not followed her lead. If she were to address them she would give them more legitimacy than they deserve. These people are more anti-Obama than they are pro-Hillary. They just use Hillary as an excuse to oppose Obama.

[scheming daemons]

50. Is Bill one of them?

[Lilith Velkor]

56. "I believe he should be President. I believe he will be President."

OMG HE'S DESTROYING OUR CANDIDATE!!!

:eyes:

[DevonRex]

58. All she has to do is instruct her delegates to vote for Obama and

ask the DNC not to put her name in nomination. That would end all of this.

[SwampG8r]

54. ask her yourself

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6601515
she has a q & a today i say we flood her with questions