Guys, threads/posts about Republicans being closeted gays are not funny.

[Danger Mouse]

They're incredibly offensive and immature. We can find ways to attack Republicans that don't insult a large segment of the DU population. Our gay/bi/lesbian brothers and sisters come here because they're supposed to be safe from that kind of bullshit on DU. This is the kind of stuff you'd expect out of freepers, but NOT from us.
We are BETTER than that.
That is all.

[Silent3]

1. Depending on how such comments are made...

...the joke is often (and, if I were making the joke, would be) about the hypocrisy of being Republican, especially a loud-mouth "family values" Republican who sucks up to fundies, and being gay -- it's not a slam about being gay itself.

[Danger Mouse]

3. There's a difference between making fun of their hypocrisy..

and implying that a Republican is gay because they're a homophobe or 'just because it's funny.'

[Silent3]

7. Huh? Where do you get that implication?

I eat meat, and see nothing wrong with doing so in and of itself, but I'd still make fun of a big-name self-professed vegan "authority" caught chowing down on a steak. Making fun of Republicans being gay (at least for me, with the kind of jokes or comments I myself would make) is exactly the same thing.

Although I'm pretty much mostly heterosexual, my own sexual history is not exclusively hetero, so it's not like I couldn't decide to take offense at jokes about gay Republicans if I were of a mind to be looking for offense even where none is intended.

[marshall]

36. Back in the 20s the big joke was that Warren G Harding was part African American

And it was about as funny as jokes saying somebody may or may not be gay.

[last_texas_dem]

43. Was that really a joke?

I thought it was more of a possibly true rumor.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08036/854714-51.stm

[Silent3]

57. If Harding had been promoting racist policies...

...and those jokes were against the racism, I'd have no problem with that. I'm guessing, however, that was not the angle of those jokes and rumors, which would make the comparison invalid.

[marshall]

62. Actually it's just the oppsite

Harding acted against many of the evidently racist policies of the Woodrow Wilson administration. One of his campaign slogans was "Back to Normalcy." So it was actually the racists who were making the joke about him as a way to explain his move away from Wilson's racism.

[Silent3]

69. And what you've just said reinforces my point...

...that a joke about a Republican being gay, done as an attack on the hypocrisy of being a member of party that is so anti-gay, is a very different thing from a joke made about someone having black ancestry because you think that there's something wrong with having black ancestry.

[marshall]

72. Well, there is more to the story

When accused of having black ancestry, Harding's spokesman's response: "No family in the state (of Ohio) has a clearer, a more honorable record than the Hardings, a blue-eyed stock from New England and Pennsylvania, the finest pioneer blood."

Perhaps that would be considered a non-racist statement in the 1920's, but by today's standards its pretty hypocritical.

[Silent3]

74. That still doesn't support the OP.

All you're doing is showing how there was a racist response to accusations that had a racist intent. Perhaps some, but far from all, far from most, of the jokes made here about gay Republicans are not homophobic jokes against fellow homophobes, so still, your analogy does not hold.

[marshall]

86. I guess it depends on perspective

I see parallels, though I do agree that the incidents are not identical. Two such events rarely are 100% the same.
I think little good can come from making jokes about an individual's race or sexuality, regardless of the politics involved or whether they are openly embracing their race or sexuality.

[DrDan]

2. do you think that your sentiment does not also apply to seniors, or any

other insulted minority?

You are absolutely correct - the tone of the attacks found here the past few months parallels those of FR - something relatively new (for some reason) on DU.

[Danger Mouse]

4. Yes, it applies to other groups as well. I've posted in the past about generational insults directed

at young people.

[Hoof Hearted]

39. What about the generational insults directed at the middle aged and older people

I see more of that, and people who feel they somehow "deserve it."

[Danger Mouse]

42. That's there, too.

[hlthe2b]

5. Well, I certainly believe in being sensitive to others....

But, having seen the blatant misogyny that is tolerated here, the past 7 years, I'd advise folks to not draw that line too finely. It will simply drive you nuts, trying to police the more coarse among us. :shrug:

[Danger Mouse]

6. There sure are some asses among us.

:shrug:

[Alter Ego]

8. I think it's insulting to gays and lesbians

to call any of them Republicans.

[SoonerPride]

9. Bam!

indeed.

[WinkyDink]

20. Zing!

[Clovis Sangrail]

10. ummm... yes, they are

or can be (depends on how it's put)

To me, and many others aparently, the amusement doesn't come from them being gay but from their hypocrisy.
I think it's hilarious when a closeted politician who has stood behind anti-gay legislation is outed.
I like nothing better than seeing the story all over the news and message boards.

[NoSheep]

11. Any time an asshole is caught publically being a hypocrite, I have to laugh.

[last_texas_dem]

47. Yeah, that pretty much sums it up

Self-righteous, holier-than-thou types caught being something that they would never claim to be or doing something that they claim to be against is funny. It is no insult to gays to laugh at antigay homophobes who get caught being hypocrites.

[NoSheep]

92. That's my feeling. You explained it very well.

[natrat]

12. fail

[Danger Mouse]

14. please elaborate.

[sufrommich]

19. Posters who mimic the favorite taunts of 12 year olds

rarely elaborate.I agree that there is something unsettling about using a person's sexuality as a punchline,it reminds me of people who say "that's gay" to mean something is bad.

[polmaven]

24. Well, yes, I would say you do.

If you think it is alright to mock the GLBT community for the simple goal of insulting Republicans, I would say you do, indeed, fail in humanity 101.

[DailyGrind51]

13. It's insulting to accuse gays of being "Republicans"!

[YOY]

15. Much funnier!

n/t

[Major Hogwash]

16. Tell Larry Craig that!! And then climb down off of your high chair.

Or you're going to fall off while pontificating to the rest of us.

Eat your strained spinach!!

LoL

[sniffa]

30. Lame

and bye.

[Major Hogwash]

61. Not really, sniffa.

Craig is my Senator and the fact of the matter is, he already plead guilty to soliciting sex in a Minnesota rest room at the airport in Minneapolis.

So, I don't know why you think it is lame.
I've never said anything that would cause that sort of response from you.

Larry Craig is not John Kerry.
He shouldn't even be in the Senate - because Craig is the one who has made a 30 year career in Congress out of bashing gays and keeping gays from obtaining their full civil rights.

Larry Craig has a 20% rating from the Disabled Veterans of America, just like McCain and Mike Crapo, the other Senator from Idaho, they have the lowest ratings of any Senators in the Senate.

Larry Craig is also a board member of the NRA, incidently.

[Danger Mouse]

37. Ugh. Did I take a wrong turn and stumble into Kindergarten?

[cboy4]

64. I agree with sniffa. Lame indeed.

:thumbsdown:

[Bluebear]

76. Lame. Very.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

84. you're an infantile idiot. nt

[Major Hogwash]

110. They're going to hold a "closeted gay Republican" parade in Minneapolis

Larry Craig will be right up front!!

Ha ha ha!!!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

114. exactly. nt

[Alexander]

17. Yes, it is. It's not because they're gay, it's because they're hypocrites.

Get over yourself.

[jazzjunkysue]

18. I tend to take a wide stance on this issue....

Look: There'e living a respectful gay lifestyle, and then there's hitting up strangers in bathrooms, and going home to your wife and the GOP.

We all know the difference. No one here is intending any disrespect for people who live honestly and openly together.

[hulklogan]

21. I'd love to hear what a "respectful gay lifestyle" is.

Is that like living our lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination?

Please let me make a friendly suggestion to you. GLBT Americans don't have "gay lifestyles" they have lives.

[JANdad]

23. How much suncreen do you use

when you go outside? With that thin skin I'm guessing a 75 or 80 SPF...

[jazzjunkysue]

26. Respectful is when you don't solicit strangers. Very simple.

No one here is attempting to insult regular people. But republicans who are hypocrites are going to get some attention.

There's a vast difference.

Sorry if my terms aren't exatly the ones you'd use, but, personally, I don't consider Larry Craig gay- He's a fool to attempt a pickup in a public place, as a GOP senator.

I said nothing against being gay.

[Hoof Hearted]

41. Yeah, because heteros NEVER hit on strangers...........

Good fucking God. What has happened to this place?

All the bigots here talking about gay "lifestyles" can respectfully shove it up their ass.

[jazzjunkysue]

45. Quite possibly because they don't allow men in women's bathrooms?

My joke was a larry Craig joke.

If you really need the world to punch you down, you're in the wrong place.

[bullwinkle428]

68. So when construction workers wolf-whistle and make incredibly

rude and crude comments to attractive women walking down the street, is that "respectful" just because it's a hetero dynamic? :shrug:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

168. I'd say no. But many people, including many on DU, think it's a compliment

It's all part of the male "nature" and all. :eyes:

[Occam Bandage]

33. It's pretty hard to respect anyone, gay or straight, who fucks strangers in bathrooms.

I reject any attempt to claim that such activity is somehow part and parcel of GLBT culture, whether it come from attack-dogs on the right or apologists on the left.

[Raine1967]

128. DING!

Smartest thing I have read in this thread!

[Bluebear]

77. Because calling for respect for gay members automatically conjurs up a Larry Craig punchline for you

[Major Hogwash]

97. Are you defending Larry Craig?

Or is this just another knee-jerk response from you?

[Bluebear]

102. Here's a knee jerk response for you: stop being such a totally ignorant ass.

[Major Hogwash]

109. Oh, so you ARE defending Larry Craig.

Well, that's what I thought!

[Bluebear]

126. You and thought don't seem to get along.

[Major Hogwash]

156. Hahahahahaha.

You really bad.

Seriously.

[Zhade]

80. IT'S NOT A FUCKING LIFESTYLE.

Get it yet?

[Bluebear]

103. "get it yet?" - - - - no. They don't, :(

[Starbucks Anarchist]

166. Is that like "the black lifestyle"?

:eyes:

[jody]

22. "We are BETTER than that." Sadly some may not be BETTER than that. n/t

[polmaven]

25. Apparently you are right.

And yes, it is very sad.

[Danger Mouse]

27. Some of the replies in this very thread show me that you are sadly very right.

:(

[sniffa]

31. I don't know why I'm ever shocked to see DUers acting like this

I shouldn't be.

[TheDonkey]

28. um' I find closted gay republicans incredibly offensive and immature and WELCOME attacks against

the creeps. Thanks. That is all.

[sniffa]

29. Really fucking offensive

Is there a new one(s) today I missed? There was one on Sunday morning like that, thankfully, many DUers responded to in appropriate fashion. Unfortunately, many DUers piled on with 'attaboys' and "y'know which are Republicans are queens?" :eyes:

[Danger Mouse]

34. Earlier today.

[sniffa]

38. Well, if it was anything like Sunday's thread

it was posted by a gay male, so it's A-ok.

[Danger Mouse]

40. No, two separate lame posts in GD:P.

[kdpeters]

91. If it was posted by a gay male and you are not gay, it should make a difference to you.

I appreciate that you would want to be extra careful to show respect and avoid offense and educate other straight people, but I ask that when you confront bigotry that you not swing full tilt into paternalism by trying to dictate to gay people what we should and should not find offensive to us. Paternalism is no less a form of oppression than bigotry although it does wear a mask of benevolence as if it only wants what's best for the people it oppresses. We happen to know what it's like to grow up gay. Even if we don't agree with you, we still know better than you why these words matter.

[sniffa]

105. Gobbledy Gook

I appreciate that you apparently think you know me, but unless you're something, something, I know better than you.

[kdpeters]

171. It ain't about me.

And I swear to you it wasn't my intent to make it about you personally as far as anything outside the content/context of this thread and what you've posted here. The problem is that the content/context is itself deeply personal and requires better than normal caution which was basically the point of the OP.

Let me try again, with a little more caution. First of all, if you're up for continuing this, it would really help me if you link to the specific comments in question. That was the first assumption I had to make in the absence of explicit descriptions or a provided example. It's quite possible we see eye to eye but are on different pages. I doubt it's that simple, but best to make sure and eliminate the need for people to assume details that make a difference.

That leads me to the point I was getting to in my response to you. I say that a person's sexuality is a detail that matters when evaluating his or her comments for hostile impact they may have to gay people in general. You seem to be saying that it's a detail that doesn't matter. You didn't say so explicitly, but it seems clear. Once again, I ask you to correct me if I'm wrong in that deduction. That's the point I was hoping to explore and I apologize for adding onto my reply any assumptions about you that were personal and unnecessary to furthering that discussion.

I'm still interested in your perspective if you're up for discussing the topic. I don't want to make it about you or me personally and I hope that feeling is mutual, but I'll give you the last word if that's not the case.

Cheers,
Karl

[Occam Bandage]

32. Hypocrisy isn't funny? I'll alert the last couple thousand years of political satirists...

[Danger Mouse]

35. It's funny if they've been outted.

It's not funny to speculate that somebody is gay just because they're an arch conservative.

[dsc]

44. thank you

Here is my take.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3730297&mesg_id=3730297

[Danger Mouse]

48. no problem. this kind of thing burns me up.

[sniffa]

46. Disappointing I was only the 4th Rec' almost an hour ago

Then again, I should know better.

[OnionPatch]

49. I'll recommend this because I've been guilty a few times.

Have to admit I've made a few jokes that were probably offensive to gay people but only out of laziness of thought and conformity to the crowd I was with at the time. (And never here on DU.) I never had a single thing against gays. Thanks for making me look harder at myself.

[Danger Mouse]

54. I've been guilty of it, too.

[chknltl]

50. KnR

The OP said it right...I agree. Nuff said

[jody]

51. I am disgusted by some of the posts to this thread that are clearly antithetical to the Dem Party.

After reading those posts, I can no longer assume that all who post on Democratic Underground support our party. I don’t know what their goal is but IMO it’s clearly not party unity.

We support full inclusion of gay and lesbian families in the life of our nation and seek equal responsibilities, benefits, and protections for these families. In our country, marriage has been defined at the state level for 200 years, and we believe it should continue to be defined there. We repudiate President Bush's divisive effort to politicize the Constitution by pursuing a "Federal Marriage Amendment." Our goal is to bring Americans together, not drive them apart.

See page 38 of the 2004 Democratic Party Platform

[Danger Mouse]

55. There are homophobes on DU, unfortunately.

[last_texas_dem]

58. One can fully support that plank of the Democratic Party platform

and still laugh at the hypocrisy of homophobic wingnuts who turn out to be closeted gays.

[jody]

60. OK but attack "hypocrisy" and not the fact that a person is gay. Only an idiot or homophobe would

find that impossible.

[LVjinx]

78. DU is very regularly full of much-recommended posts that are antithetical to the Democratic Party.

I would be much more inclined to donate, if this wasn't such a divisive site.

[Name removed]

52. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[truthisfreedom]

53. They're NOT closeted gays.

They're closeted homicidal pedophiles.

[jody]

56. Why are Repug gays "closeted homicidal pedophiles" and Dem gays not? Don't you see the nature of

your post?

IMO you really do need an attitude adjustment and pledge to support the Democratic Party platform plank that I cited in #51.

[hiaasenrocks]

59. Some of them are.

[DevonRex]

63. Some repubs ARE closeted gays and the closet part is sad.

Their uber religious upbringing and the homophobic society they and we live in has caused them great harm. They can't be who they are and probably try even harder to appear NOT gay.

But using gay as a slur or as a joke is just plain wrong.

Edited to say I rec'd your post.

[Danger Mouse]

75. Thank you for understanding the point of my OP.

But I figured I could count on you to have reading comprehension skills that are lacking in some folk.

[JerseygirlCT]

65. Well said! nt

[cboy4]

66. Thank you Elrond for your kind thread. You're one of the good

people who understand. :)

K&R

[Silent3]

70. As opposed to the bad, bad people here...

...who think context and intent matter in humor, who dare utter things that stupid or humorless people might take personally.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

87. or the homophobes. nt

[Silent3]

98. So everyone who isn't hyper-sensitive about...

...possibly upsetting humorless, context-insensitive people who can't see what funny about a Larry Craig joke are homophobes?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

141. bigots make a lot of excuses for their bigotry, one of which is to blame the victims nt

[Silent3]

148. You keep stating bland generalities...

...without answering any questions. I'm not a bigot. I'm not gay, but I've had a little fun with homosexual acts and have no problem admitting that. I dated a pre-op male-to-female transsexual for a time and that was well known to all of my close friends. I have absolutely no problem with anyone else being bi or gay. I'm not a homophobe.

And I also think jokes about Larry Craig being gay and other jokes based on the hypocrisy of being both Republican and gay are (or at least can be) funny.

Deal with it. Life is not as simple as your humorless inability to distinguish jokes about being gay vs. jokes about being a hypocrite would make it.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

172. maybe you need to deal with your bigotry/ nt

[Silent3]

173. Prove I have bigotry to deal with...

...instead of acting like a Republican who asks, "Why do you hate America?" of anyone who doesn't accept the "wisdom" of George Bush.

You seem to think I need to simply accept your pronouncements, and be shamed into realizing the supposed error of my ways, all because you say so.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

175. because your first instinct is to defend homophobes. larry craig wasnt really even the issue

here, it was more calling every one in the bush admin gay (including bush, because of a pic in which he kisses the saudi princes hand, which by the way is middle eastern custom)... but do you consider to think for a minute that people are bigoted here? oh no. your first instinct is to defend the homophobes and their less than clever and bigoted jokes. meanwhile the gay community is the one that lacks basic civil rights. unlike the straight bigots who keep insisting every evil person is gay.



anyhow i am done with this conversation. this is boring.

[Silent3]

176. It's only as boring as you make it.

Which doesn't come close to your presumptuousness in apparently believing you can read the minds of others and tell them what they're thinking and feeling better than they themselves can. Or your ability to oversimplify the flow of conversation in a thread so that you can rail against both real and imagined slights, not being able to tell the difference.

[Withywindle]

67. Hear hear!

:thumbsup:


Also not funny: male/male rape jokes. Yes, even about Republicans in prison.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

71. I'm certainly not better than that...

Because the mental image of Ted Stevens appearing as the motorcycle cop in The Village People is fucking hilarious.

[hulklogan]

73. It's like the Militant Straights around here take pride in their ignorance!

*sigh*

[La Lioness Priyanka]

85. stupidity knows no bounds.

[Zhade]

79. Thank you for that.

: )

[jody]

81. Elrond Hubbard, thanks for putting a sensitive issue on the table and causing homophobes to come out

of their closet.

You do the Democratic Party a real service by exposing hypocrisy where ever it exists.

:thumbsup: :hi:

[Major Hogwash]

96. Larry Craig is a board member of the NRA.

Enjoy the hypocrisy, jody!

[old mark]

82. I don't really understand where a lot of this is coming from.

I hardly think a married man with a family who makes his living condemning gays all the while soliciting sex from strange men in public bathrooms is not a hypocrite. I have no feelings aboutthis man being gay in this situation, but plenty about his being a lying piece of shit.

mark

[MsTryska]

83. Is it just me?

or am i missing all these threads that all of a sudden folks are up in arms about?

this is the 2nd thread i've run across where folks are calling homophobia on folks accusing republicans of being gay.

As long as I've been here - we've usually focused on the ones that well, actually are gay, but not willing to admit it, police reports to the contrary.

[TexasObserver]

88. I get it.

While it is certainly worthy of discussion to talk about the rampant hypocrisy of men who are gay, but are in the closet and zealously rightwing, that does not grant widespread license to the kind of juvenile, locker room comments that are not really funny.

Gay people have to put up with enough shit as it, so I try not to make life any harder for them.

[Yes We Did]

89. I think you are missing the bigger picture...

The jokes on here, at least the ones I have read, are slamming them for their hypocrisy, not their "potential" sexuality.

I dont' think there is anything wrong with that.

[kdpeters]

90. I've rarely ever seen any comments on DU that I would characterize as you did.

I've known a lot of gay Republicans in my life, and they are just as lousy and despicable as any other Republican. And when some family values crusader who lives a lie so he can attack my open honest life for his material benefit gets busted being that lie that he tells about me, he deserves to be mocked and ridiculed and every single right winger, 'values'-voter Republican needs to have it rubbed in their face because it is their preachings and so-called morals of hate and rejection that creates such deception, fear, and hypocrisy. I have no sympathy for scoundrels just because they happen to be gay.

I've seen comments that I would characterize as just ridicule for the Republican party and for those loathsome gay people that would side with them in persecuting us. I have seen quite a number of complaints about some comments along those lines, but I disagree with that interpretation. I wouldn't them characterize as offensive or immature. I've not seen any that I take personally offensive to me as a gay person.

Without an example of what you're referring to, that's my presumption about the kinds of comments in question. If you think there are comments egregious and over the top, please do point them out to me, but I really think it's probably a matter of a different interpretation.

[donco6]

93. I know you mean well, Elrond . . . but . . .

. . . threads like these only leave me more discouraged.

[lojasmo]

94. it's a toe tapping wide stance. EOM

[dave123williams]

95. You've got to be kidding. They're like a roving gang of closet cases.

The louder any one of them moralizes about 'family values', the more likely it is they're ACTUALLY in to East German male gymnasts, or nailing their tenth mistress over three wives. Or both.

How many more do we have to add to the list before it becomes an axiom?

You know, something like, "Studies show that Family Values Politicans are 85% likely to be total pervs'?

[Nikki Stone1]

99. I agree with the OP

And I've K & R'd you.

[Name removed]

100. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Moloch]

101. While some of the threads have been homophobic...

it is not wrong to call out people like Larry Craig, Ted Haggard or Mark Foley for being gay while working against equal rights for gay people. They should be called out for the self-hating asshats that they are.

[Bluebear]

104. This is more the "Karl Rove must be gay! Lieberman must be gay! Bush must be gay!" ilk.

We don't want 'em.

[sniffa]

106. This thread is almost eye opening

But it's still DU, so it's not. I "think" the majority are not like this, but watching the MANY response to this thread disagreeing with the OP (or even mocking it) makes me sad.

[Bluenorthwest]

107. Thanks for the thread...

It had to be said.

[JackBeck]

108. Where are the countless threads about family values Republicans

That beat their wives, molest children, get divorced, or hire a hooker? These Republicans most definitely exist, as I have posted about them over the past few months.

And then why aren't ALL Republicans labeled as such, whatever the hypocritical misdeed?

Why is it only when a family values Republican is outed for engaging in same-sex activity, all evil Republicans are suddenly "gay"?

If it's just about the hypocrisy, aren't all the other things I listed above hypocritical as well?

[Major Hogwash]

111. Do you know of any "wife beaters" or "child molesters" from within the GOP?

Then maybe we could spotlight them as well!!

[JackBeck]

113. Do I know them personally? No.

But here's a list:

http://www.republicansexoffenders.com/

[JackBeck]

115. David Hager

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050530/mcgarvey

[JackBeck]

116. MN: Republican family values hypocrite Mark Olson

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/02/18/olson/

[JackBeck]

117. Republican Accused of Adultery, Domestic Violence, & Mental Cruelty

http://www.peachpundit.com/2008/05/19/republican-accused-of-adultery-domestic-violence-mental-cruelty/

[JackBeck]

118. John McCain is a Republican family values hypocrite. Divorce. n/t

[JackBeck]

119. Rudolph Giuliani is a Republican family values hypocrite. Divorce. n/t

[JackBeck]

120. David Vitter is a Republican family values hypocrite. Hookers. n/t

[racaulk]

174. And diapers, don't forget about the diapers.

;)

You're on fire in this subthread, by the way. Thanks! :hi:

[JackBeck]

179. How could I forget about the diapers?!?!?

And thank you. :evilgrin:

I just got a PM requesting to make it an OP. Working on it now...

:pals:

[JackBeck]

121. Newt Gingrich is a Republican family values hypocrite. Divorce. n/t

[JackBeck]

122. Duke Cunningham is a Republican family values hypocrite. Hookers. n/t

[JackBeck]

123. Neal Horsely, right wing Republican hypocrite. Bestiality. n/t

[Silent3]

178. Neal HORSELY?

Now there's a richly ironic name under the circumstances. :)

To be fair, however, while this example does call into question the whole "family values" thing to a small degree, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Horsley">according to this article Horsely admitted his earlier animal antics, they happened when he was very young, he confessed and apologized, and he wasn't caught saying one thing and doing another at the same time in his political life.

He sounds like a major ass on other counts, but as far as I can tell there's no outright hypocrisy to be found here regarding bestiality.

[JackBeck]

124. House Speaker-Elect Bob Livingston, Republican family values hypocrite. Adultery. n/t

[JackBeck]

125. Rep. Don Sherwood, Republican family values hypocrite. Adultery and abuse. n/t

[Bluebear]

127. Donald Fleischmann, Wisconsin GOP chairman. Sexual enticement of a child

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Wisconsin_GOP_chair_faces_charges_in_1014.html

[Bluebear]

129. Joe Monteleone, GOP councilman. Soliciting & fondling underage girls.

ELYRIA — Councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found guilty Friday of asking underage girls to have sex and fondling them.

Monteleone, who owns Master Pizza, where the incidents took place, was convicted of two felony counts of importuning and three misdemeanor counts of sexual imposition. He was found not guilty on another misdemeanor count.

The charges involve three teenage girls who worked for him at the pizza shop. He could get up to two years in prison when he is sentenced.

http://www.armchairsubversive.org/Joseph_Monteleone.htm

[Bluebear]

131. GOP mayor of Oswego, NY: soliciting sex from two minors

OSWEGO, N.Y. -- Mayor John Gosek was conditionally released from custody Saturday after appearing in federal court to face a charge that he used a telephone to solicit sex from a minor, federal prosecutors said.

Gosek, 58, was arrested and jailed Friday night. On Saturday, U.S. Magistrate George Lowe released him with an electronic monitor and scheduled a detention hearing Monday. He is confined to his house.

http://www.armchairsubversive.org/John_Gosek.htm

[JackBeck]

149. Sexual predators/pedophilia aside, this is becoming a rather large list

Of non-gay Republican family values hypocrites, isn't it?

I've got PLENTY more examples of non-gay Republican family values hypocrites, yet do you think that will stop the gay jokes?

[JackBeck]

133. Alan Keyes, Republican family values hypocrite for disowning his openly gay daughter. n/t

[JackBeck]

134. Rep. Jim Nussle, Republican family values hypocrite.Left wife and autistic child for other woman.n/t

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135. Henry Hyde, Republican family values hypocrite. Adultery. n/t

[JackBeck]

136. Bob Barr (!), wrote DOMA, major Republican family values hypocrite. Adultery. n/t

[JackBeck]

137. Bob Dole, supporter of DOMA, Republican family values hypcorite. Left first wife and child.n/t

[JackBeck]

138. Rep. Wes Cooley, supporter of DOMA. Republican family values hypocrite:

Concealed his wedding date so his new wife could keep collecting benefits as the widow of a veteran.

He falsely claimed to have served in Korea, and was also convicted of falsifying VA loan applications.

[JackBeck]

139. Rep. Enid Greene (Waldholtz), supporter of DOMA, Republican family values hypocrite:

Divorced her husband after he was accused of falsifying her campaign finance reports.

Greene claims she was deceived by her husband, but campaign workers testified she was repeatedly warned.

[JackBeck]

140. Rep. Bob Dornan, Republican family values hypocrite, wife beater and supported DOMA:

Subject to four divorce actions from his wife who claimed he beat her.

In June 1966, Dornan was found guilty of a “violent attack” on his wife and was ordered to go to jail, though police records do not show him actually serving any time.

Dornan: “Don’t use the word gay unless it’s an acronym for ‘Got AIDS Yet?’ ”

[JackBeck]

142. Rush Limbaugh, Republican family values hypocrite. Adultery. Marta Fitzgerald. n/t

[JackBeck]

143. Bill O"Reilly, Republican family values hypocrite. Solicited phone sex from Andrea Mackris.

He's married to Maureen McPhilmy.

[JackBeck]

144. Gary Bauer, major family values Republican hypocrite.

9 Christian staffers quit during his 2000 Presidential nomination bid because of his "inappropriate" relationship with a 26 year-old female staffer.

[JackBeck]

145. John Fund, Republican family values hypocrite. Had affair with the DAUGHTER of his mistress.

Got the daughter pregnant, then paid for her abortion.

[JackBeck]

146. Neil Bush, Shrub's brother, Republican family values hypocrite. Hookers:

Admits to adultery with Asian hookers in 2003 divorce deposition.

[JackBeck]

147. David Schwartz,Republican family values hypocrite,pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under 11 yo.

[JackBeck]

150. Roger Stone, Republican operative and family values hypocrite:

Placed ads soliciting group sex with his wife.

[JackBeck]

151. Dick Cheney. Republican family values hypocrite. Lesbian daughter and partner had a baby. n/t

[JackBeck]

152. Lynne Cheney, Republican family values hypocrite. Wrote lesbian erotica. n/t

[JackBeck]

154. Scooter Libby, Republican family values hypocrite, author of "The Apprentice". n/t

[JackBeck]

155. Jim Stelling,hypocritical heterosexual family values Republican Party chairman. Married 5 times. n/t

[JackBeck]

157. John Scmitz, hypocritical heterosexual right-wing Republican Congressman

Forced out of office in 1982 for having an adulterous affair and fathering two children out of wedlock with one of his students. He was caught because his baby was admitted to hospital for having hair tied so tightly around his penis that it was almost severed. His daughter, Mary Kay LeTourneau, was convicted of having an adulterous affair with one of her students, and giving birth to two of his children.

[JackBeck]

158. Heterosexual "Dr. Laura" Schlessinger, yet ANOTHER Republican family values hypocrite:

Promotes family values, but estranged from her mother (left for dead how many days before her body was discovered?);

opposes birth control, but has had her tubes tied;

espouses saving oneself for marriage, but admits to having had sex before she was married;

opposes adultery, but has committed adultery while she was married, and has slept with a married man;

opposes divorce, but is divorced and remarried, has posed for nude photos which are available online.

[JackBeck]

159. Not all "wife beaters" or "child molesters", but heterosexual family values hypocrites, nonetheless.

Wouldn't you agree?

I don't think I have posted one hypocrite that was closeted or gay.

[JackBeck]

160. Heterosexual Republican family values hypocrites continued: Joe Scarborough.

Resigned his congressional seat abruptly to spend more time with his family, amid allegations of an affair.

His intern, Lori Klausutis, was soon after found dead in his office.

The medical examiner, who had his license revoked in Missouri for falsifying information in an autopsy report, and suspended in Florida for six years, ruled the case an accident, after giving conflicting information about her injuries.

He said he lied about them because "The last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury."

[JackBeck]

161. Hypocritical pedophilia family values Republicans: Beverly Russell.

County Chairman of the Christian Coalition as well as a member of the South Carolina Republican Party’s executive committee, sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children.

[JackBeck]

162. Ronald Reagan: First President ever to be divorced. Family values hypocrite.

From a woman who had been married two or three times before him - the record is unclear, none of which seems to bother the religious right

[JackBeck]

163. Republican family values hypocrite Jeffrey Patti:

Republican Committee Chairman from Sparta, NJ, was arrested for distributing what experts call "some of the most offensive material in the child pornography world" - a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

[JackBeck]

164. Bob Packwood, Republican family values hypocrite. Resigned during 10 accusations of harassment n/t

[JackBeck]

165. Another Republican family values child molester for you: Paul Ingram.

Republican Party leader of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

[JackBeck]

153. delete

[Mass]

112. Because you discover now that people at DU are totally insensitive.

What you are talking about is only one example.

We had some very sexist threads, not only against Hillary Clinton, but against some Republican women, who never rose an eyebrow.

Some here find funny to make jokes about seniors to bash McCain.

People here call Bush retarded every day and joke about his IQ, forgetting that low IQ people should not be the butt of jokes.

And we can continue forever.

[IndianaGreen]

130. It is a fact that the head of Nazi Storm Troopers was gay!

This didn't keep Ernst Rohm or any of his thugs, several of which were also gay, from beating, persecuting, and murdering gays. Something can be said about these closeted gays and their hatred of other gays. Larry Craig was openly homophobic, yet in private he pursued sexual encounters in public restrooms.

[Bluebear]

132. Of course! Larry Craig! I'm shocked nobody mentioned him so far!

:crazy:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

167. I'm so sick of that meme. Every homophobe is NOT gay.

They are, almost to a person, misogynistic control freaks. Yes, even the women. They are obsessed with maintaining rigid gender roles.

[Silent3]

177. I agree. I'm also rather sick of the meme...

...that everyone who thinks a joke about someone like Larry Craig being gay is (or can be) funny MUST be a homophobe, even if they won't 'fess up to the unspoken bigotry that apparently must be hiding in their soul.

[Quixote1818]

169. The hypocrisy needs to be pointed out but it shouldn't be a joke

Randi Rhodes is about the worst of anyone when it comes to making jokes about Republicans being closeted gays. Why is she allowed to get away with it?

[Bluebear]

170. She shouldn't be. It's terrifically offensive.