If Obama chooses Bayh, he will lose a lot of the trust of

[JDPriestly]

young people. Bayh is a conservative. Bayh does not represent a message of change.

I will still vote for Obama, but I will be very sorry that Edwards did not win the nomination.

I just hope that we haven't been fooled again, folks.

Are nay liberals being considered for VP?

[still_one]

1. The only basis people have that bayh will be chosen is speculation

and the pundents do NOT have a very good record in that regard

[DU9598]

2. Not this young person

Obama is leading a movement. I do not see Sen. Bayh in opposition to that movement. Obama has earned the right to select whomever he wishes as his running mate. Naysayers need to give him this privilege. I trust him to select a good person and a person who will help him win and govern.

[The Traveler]

3. Bayh as VP Nom would not be impressive

or exciting but it would not be disastrous, in my view.

Bayh has the power to put 10,000 raving Democrats aslumber in under 30 minutes. I do not think that he would be an exciting choice or a strong asset to the campaign.

[soleft]

4. He will lose the trust of a lot of middle aged people

[Cosmocat]

9. Horsehockey on the OP and this post ...

He will lose the "trust" of hard core liberals ...

YOUNG people in particular, and "middle aged people" do not share the same extreme polar views on politics ...

My guess is that the average "young person" won't care one way or another who it is ... My guess is that the AVERAGE middle aged person will LIKE that BO picked a peer with TREMENDOUS experience, no ethical issues and who is not viewed as highly partisan ...

[Skwmom]

16. Oh please. More than HARD CORE LIBERALS are fed up with the corporate control of our

government. To suggest that only hard core liberals would be turned off by Obama picking Bayh is ridiculous.

This county is in BIG TROUBLE. A Washington Insider - who helped put us in this position - is NOT the person to help get us out of this mess.

[tuesdaymorning]

21. AMEN.

[soleft]

39. No ethical issues?

I think denying people basic human rights based on your own personal religious beliefs is an ethical issue.

Sorry, this was supposed to be a response to post above. Not you.

[Cosmocat]

43. No ...

noting that fact that only hard core liberals will be turned off by Bayh is reality ...

Sorry, only a hard core liberal is going to view Bayh as vehemently as your post ...

I repeat ... A young voter won't know Evan Bayh from Heath Ledger ... The average middle age voter is going to appreciate someone who has been a solid elected official ...

[Skwmom]

45. Well I wouldn't fit into the category of hard core liberal so you are wrong.

I find political labels to be a waste of time and stupid.

[Cosmocat]

50. This string got started by a label/catorigization (sp) ...

A bayh pick will destroy the trust of middled aged, or young democrats ...

It was a discussion of groups or categories ...

I am middle aged or young, I think he would be a great pick ... Most of the people I know are young or middle aged, they will not in any way be put of by Bayh being picked ...

[sharp_stick]

5. It doesn't matter who he chooses

the whining that goes on around here will start to resemble the sound of an F-18 during take-off. The little camps and cliques will be out in force along with the trolls and regular suspects.

[TooBigaTent]

6. The "little camp" that dislikes bigotry? Condescend much?

[sharp_stick]

17. WTF are you yammering about?

Dude get a fucking life.

[TwilightGardener]

7. DU, Daily Kos, TPM are NOT the general population. Bayh would not be considered

controversial, or a grievous disappointment, or have people outraged, anywhere but among the netroots who are seeking to fulfill their ultimate progressive fantasies. Obama seeks to win--that's it, that's all. If he decides a centrist or conservative Dem is what it takes, whether it's Bayh or someone else, then I trust him to make that judgment.

[elocs]

10. I don't think Obama will lose a lot of trust from anyone over his VP pick,

particularly not one of any specific generation. No matter who he picks there will be complaints that the person is either too much this or too much that, or not enough of something else. Why try and please everyone? It can't be done. The most important person who needs to be pleased with the VP choice is Barack Obama.

[Renew Deal]

11. I don't stress out over VP picks.

I worry about positions of the presidential candidate. It doesn't matter much what the VP represents as long as he/she doesn't hurt the nominee.

[Danieljay]

8. I will totally still vote for him. Why not? Anyone willing to allow the alternative is just plain

STUPID.

[JDPriestly]

15. There is always the alternative of just staying home.

We shall see who Obama picks, but thus far, the only one I have liked that has been seriously mentioned is Dodd.

[DevonRex]

25. They would stay home because of the guy who will be going to

funerals to represent the US? That doesn't even make sense.

And thankfully all the 20-somethings I know are very savvy about politics. They are involved and know exactly how the game is played.

Edited to say "they" instead of "you." That might have sounded like I meant you personally, rather than you in the general sense. Sorry for my bad choice of words.

[Douglas Carpenter]

12. Come on!!Bayh can reach out to the pro-war neocons and bring more of them into the Party leadership

Perhaps with someone like Evan Bayh, former Democrats like Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz could feel at home in the Democratic Party once again.

" This is a hallmark of Evan Bayh. A former chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council and a past recipient Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson Award for Distinguished Service from the neoconservative security think tank JINSA, Bayh has been running to the right of his Democratic colleagues on foreign affairs for a while now."
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/02/03/evan_bayh_tough_but_smart.php

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Bayh As Veep? But He Co-Chaired Neocon Committee For The Liberation Of Iraq With McCain!

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/bayh_as_veep_he_cochaired_wing.php

" The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI) is pleased to welcome Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) as an Honorary Co-Chairman. Bayh becomes the third U.S. Senator to join the committee after Sens. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) announced their participation on January 28."The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI) is pleased to welcome Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) as an Honorary Co-Chairman. Bayh becomes the third U.S. Senator to join the committee after Sens. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) announced their participation on January 28.

The Committee is a neo-con group that was formed to propagandize the country into war. It boasted such illustrious neocon members as Bill Kristol, former CIA director James Woolsey, and even McCain senior foreign policy adviser and Chalabi-bamboozler Randy Scheunemann, whom Josh has been blogging about."

[Renew Deal]

13. It will not cause Obama any problems with young people.

Bayh is youngish. He knows how to use the computer and talk issues important to them. He might hurt Obama with purists, but he helps in many other ways.

[NorthCarolina]

18. Do you consider the LGBT community "purists" if they are against Bayh for VP because

he is a homophobe who has stated he would support a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as one man one woman?

[Solon]

20. No of course not, those are "single issue voters" and not important...

DUH! :sarcasm:

[Renew Deal]

22. lol

:rofl:

[Solon]

26. I'm glad you are laughing, that's one of us...

I just find your attitude appalling, no offense but a Vice-President can become President in the future, and I want someone who won't trample on the rights of oppressed minorities, but I guess that isn't important to you.

[Renew Deal]

28. The VP pick isn't that important to me.

I'm very concerned about the presidential pick. It took me a long time to pick a candidate this time around. The issues with Bayh are important to me, but not as a VP pick. The VP is in many ways there to help the nominee get elected. So if Obama feels that Bayh could help, then I will support him. I would prefer someone else.

I understand why people would be upset with picking Bayh. There's a lot wrong with his major political opinions. I find his support of DOMA abhorrent! I find his support of the possibility of a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage disturbing, regressive, and shameful. But that said, I'm voting for the President, not the VP.

[Solon]

31. The VP, in some sense, represents the direction the party will take 8 years in the future...

(knocking on wood), will you vote for Bayh when he's the presumptive Democratic Nominee for President in 2016?

[Renew Deal]

32. I can't predict what will happen in 8 years.,

Either for me or for Bayh. He might wise up by then.

[Solon]

33. Why take that chance at all?

I strongly doubt that Bayh will wise up by then, and I do not like the type of "change" that this guy seems to embody.

[Renew Deal]

34. I'm not going to argue with that.

It certainly is a risk.

[Solon]

36. And that is exactly the reason why he should be considered a bad choice for VP...

its an unnecessary risk that should not be taken, and I'll tell you right now that, assuming circumstances happened in 8 years that made him the Democratic Nominee for President, no way in hell would I vote for him.

[Renew Deal]

37. I'm concerned with today.

And I don't think it's shortsighted. I'd be happy if Obama won this year. If he wins 2 terms??? I wouldn't know what to do with myself. :)

[NorthCarolina]

35. The choice isn't that simple for me.

As VP Bayh would be one heartbeat away from the Presidency, not to mention that he would be the likely candidate for President in 2016. His stand on the policies could have a major impact on the quality of my life as a gay man in a long term relationship. I would love nothing more than to share in the same rights, privileges, and protections afforded by marriage, as enjoyed by all non-gay Americans, including Bayh himself. So you see, I do not have the luxury of being as nonchalant about a Bayh prospect as you apparently do, and I fear the negative impact upon the LGBT community as a result of his presence on the ticket and in the administration.

[Renew Deal]

38. I respect that.

:thumbsup:

[NorthCarolina]

29. So, you have no response to my original question?

I am curious about your take on it.

[Renew Deal]

30. I did respond

Look down. ;)

[Renew Deal]

23. Not at all

Everybody has their priorities. If you feel that th VP pick is that important, and McCain is a better choice, vote for him.

[wyldwolf]

14. I would venture to say most 'young' people aren't that tuned in.

[tuesdaymorning]

19. I've been voting for dems since 1972.

so you can do the math.

I was extremely liberal in those days, but I'm even more liberal now. Obama himself is not nearly liberal enough for me. Dennis Kucinich is the only one who comes close.

Many people don't get less liberal as they age.

Just a little FYI ;).

[bigwillq]

24. I don't think a lot of young people

know who Evan Bayh is, and if Obama does chose him they will think Bayh is a decent enough guy because Obama chose him to be the running mate. I think most will be ok with it.

I think Bayh isn't the best choice. Actually, I think he's a pretty poor choice. DLC to the fullest. Ain't no change going on there.

[trewsx11]

27. There is no anti-Bayh sentiment amongst young people

Or even amongst most Democrats.

[BigDDem]

40. My, how things have changed.....

all of a sudden it's acceptable to have voted for the war.
Where are all the "WAR MONGER!!" labels on Bayh?

[bigwillq]

41. Or DLC

:shrug: Why is DLC acceptable now? :shrug:

[Zynx]

42. I'm in a well-informed college town and maybe one in thirty people here know who Evan Bayh is,

[Cosmocat]

44. I have talked to a couple dozen people ...

about the VP - my friends who know I am tuned in YOUNG AND MIDDLE AGED ...

Only ONE knew who Evan Bayh was ... He is a hard core lib, and he ain't in love with him, but he is OK with him ... The rest of them pretty much said if BO picks him, or I think he is OK, and I do, then they are OK with it ...

[cbc5g]

46. If he's picking Bayh we'll find out tomorrow but I doubt he will

Obama is going on vacation Friday. I don't think he would do that if he were picking this week.

[Hoof Hearted]

47. I'm hoping that it's not Bayh. He's way too conservative.

[polichick]

48. I agree that he doesn't fit the message of change.

[Colobo]

49. Most American don't even know who Bayh is.