Devout Hillary fan may defect to McCain

[davidnc76]

Source: NorthJersey.com

Meet Caren Z. Turner, a Democratic fund-raiser, a devout supporter of Hillary Clinton, and a lobbyist with a 25-year Inside-the-Beltway career.

Now Turner, who shuttles between Washington and her home in Tenafly, may include this entry on her political résumé: defector to Republican John McCain.

"I am not comfortable with Obama," Turner said in an interview with The Record last week.

Turner, who began this year as a member of "The Group,'' an informal committee of Hillary Clinton's top New Jersey fund-raisers, is now a member of Together4Us, a group of disenchanted Hillraisers who recently sounded out Carly Fiorina, a top McCain adviser.

Barack Obama, she believes, benefited from Democratic Party nominating rules that disenfranchised voters in Florida and Michigan and gave disproportionate clout to states with caucuses. He benefited from the "misogynistic" Hillary-bashing and did nothing to stop it.

Read more: http://www.northjersey.com/news/njpolitics/26270244.html

[MichiganVote]

1. Isn't the word, "devout" reserved for like seriously maxed out religious people?

[Skittles]

2. not this shit again n/t

[newfie11]

3. so vote for mccain?? Is she nuts!

[kaygore]

24. Not nuts--a lobbyist! This is not news.

[MidwestTransplant]

4. Yeah that'll show em. Say goodbye to healthcare and reproductive choice.

what a sorry woman.

[awoke_in_2003]

41. She is a lobbyist

so she has money. People with lots of money never had problems getting abortions before they were legal- they are better than us common people.

[FrenchieCat]

5. Wish they'd interview me! Guess they are recruiting PUMA! LOL!

Maybe McCain will tell his rape joke after he calls her a C*nt!

Fortunately, she appears to have one vote just like me!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

6. She's an idiot...

And if there's enough like her, we'll see McCain become president...:puke:

[Skittles]

8. if McCain is our next prez it will have nothing to do with them n/t

[anonymous171]

11. It better not have, or else Hillary 2012 is history.

[Skittles]

14. I'm thinking election theft n/t

[anonymous171]

19. Me too. The media is so complacent that they could get away with it.

Even if they had to be way more obvious than they have been in the past.

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

69. Forget Hillary 2012. What about America 2010?

There won't be one by then, if this shit continues.

[JoFerret]

76. The drama,

The horror
The excitement.

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

83. Well, if that's how you choose to look at the rapid decline of this country in the last decade

You certainly have the "horror" part right. Do you really think this country will survive another four years of this insanity?

[QueenOfCalifornia]

95. sanctimonious

much?

If McCain is elected you can expect a nuclear war. He is crazier than W.

[AZBlue]

100. Why are you here if you find a McCain presidency exciting?

[kaygore]

25. Yep, there are a lot of lobbyists--this is an example of how lobbyists will vote, NOT

how women of a certain age will vote.

[cstanleytech]

65. Idiot might be a tad harsh, I could very well be wrong and she does belong in that category though.

You are right though about if enough like her decide to support McCain, mind you Obama was not my first choice either, I would have prefered Edwards and then Hillary and then Obama in that order as the nominee however I'll still be voting for Obama in the hope he does whats right and needed for the country where as with McCain I just dont have much hope for him being different than Bush.

[notadmblnd]

7. Well they can't be too devout, since Hillary herself has endorsed Obama

I wonder what it is about Obama that they're just not comfortable with? could it be his color?

[awoke_in_2003]

42. You are correct on both points..nt

[27inCali]

103. could it be

that her concept of feminism has become perversed by a myopic obsession with the idea that there must be a woman president or all of us must be punsihed for not letting it happen: a sort of Cartmanesque "screw you guys, I'm going home?"

[anonymous171]

9. Where do they find these people?

[kaygore]

26. She's a 25-year lobbyist who just happens to be a woman

She's not just a woman who supported Hillary but a LOBBYIST who supported Hillary. Surely, you would not expect lobbyists to be pro-Obama.

[Trajan]

10. Whats the point ?

There are so many variations of 'why' I could bring up here ...

Let's start with 'WHY' the fuck do I care ?

I don't ....

Good riddance ....

[kaygore]

27. Real story line: Lobbyists are for McCain

You are right. This is not story. Why would lobbyists be for Obama?

[DarthDem]

12. Don't Care

Irrelevant. However, what does the Z stand for? Zelda?

[flamingdem]

13. Vengeful little Caren - if you vote for McBush you are voting against Rowe v Wade grrr nt

[kaygore]

30. She's a lobbyist who is probably well past child bearing age

Even if she were 25...she's a lobbyists for God's sake. That's she's a woman comes way down the line...far, far behind selling her soul and the American public down the river for a few bucks.

[awoke_in_2003]

43. People with money always had access to abortions...

legal or not.

[Vanje]

15. A lobbyist snuggles up to McCain

Shocked! I tell you.

[kaygore]

31. You got it! She's a lobbyist who happens to be female!

[nolabels]

16. Of course she is going to posse up with McSame........

The being uncomfortable with O is kind of an understatement really. It's especially career money distributors like this person that O will be trying to put out of business if he gets the office. Like duh already :shrug:

[GoddessOfGuinness]

17. Fuck her. She's an idiot.

[kaygore]

32. No, she's a lobbyist. She's shill her granmother for a dime.

This is not the story of women voters deserting Obama but a lobbyist looking out for her own selfish interest which is the only thing that they can look out for: $$$$$$$.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

37. She's still an idiot.

McCain'll mess with her reproductive rights.

[madeline_con]

18. He benefited from the "misogynistic" Hillary-bashing ..."

She defects to misogynistic, wife bashing McCain't?

I'm telling you, our party's better off.

[happygoluckytoyou]

20. sad day....adios Caren....enjoy your new party

[kaygore]

34. She has no party alligence--she's a LOBBYIST

She thought that Hillary would sell the American public down the river and now her money (literally) is on McCain. Why would a lobbyist of 25 years support Obama unless she had some Saul-like conversion on the road to ... .

[WorseBeforeBetter]

21. Meanwhile... "Why some conservatives are backing Obama"

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/07/MN3T11JI0P.DTL&type=printable

Turner can let the door hit her in the ass on the way out...

[MrSlayer]

22. I love people who just proclaim their idiocy openly.

Make it easier to dismiss them out of hand. What a dunce.

[kaygore]

23. The give away is that she is a lobbyist...a devote fan of screwing the Ametican public

and she thought that Hillary was her best choice for doing that. With no Hillary about, she goes to the next lobbyist-friendly 'ho: McCain.


"I am not comfortable with Obama,"--what a resounding pitch for Obama as this is coming for a lobbyist of 25 years!!!!!

Who did the MSM think the lobbyists will support with Hillary out of the picture???!!! Duh!

[Lasher]

28. Is this the same 'devout' Hillary fan who gave $2,300 to Giuliani?

Apparently so.

http://fundrace-origin.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Turner&fname=Caren

Same old PUMA bullshit being hyped by the 'liberal' press. Find a Vichy Democrat and prop her up like she's part of a giant wave of defectors. Well she's not.

[kaygore]

35. She's not a Democrat--She's a GD LOBBYIST for God's sake!

[Lasher]

38. Right.

The columnist tap dances around that distinction when he starts out by labeling her a 'Democratic fund-raiser'.

I suspect you don't know what I mean by 'Vichy Democrat'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France#State_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany

[DesEtoiles]

29. I am not comfortable with Caren Z. Turner in the Democratic party! Get the F out, loser.

[kaygore]

36. She's a lobbyist, not a Democrat.

She thought that Hillary would be the easiest to buy. With Hillary gone, all she has left is McCain and McCain is definitely a sell-out.

[billyoc]

33. "Meet Caren Z. Turner"

No. Don't bring her fucking near me.

[still_one]

39. Point blank, anyone who votes for mccain is anti-women

If these so-called clinton supporters vote for mccain, they are not doing it because they believe in Democratic values or they would not be even considering voting for mccain

Obviously, they have no problem with judges like scalia or thomas

They have no problem with the privitization of social security and medicare, or healthcare for those that uninsured.

In my view they are irrelevent scum who don't deserve the attention they are getting

Maybe the idiots that run the media can actually focus on where the candidates stand on the issues

[mrreowwr_kittty]

40. Her whiteness is showing.

http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/WhitenessShowing.html

[awoke_in_2003]

44. Thanks for the link

good read.

[Number23]

46. Yowza!!

If it were gender solidarity you sought, you would by definition join with your black and brown sisters come November, and do what you know good and well they are going to do, in overwhelming numbers, which is vote for Barack Obama.

Whoosh!!

And you wonder why women of color have, for so long, thought (by and large) that white so-called feminists were phony as hell? Sister please...

Gadzooks!!!

But for you to act as though you are the indispensible voters, the most important, the ones whose views should be pandered to, whose every whim should be the basis for Party policy, is not only absurd, it is also racist in that it, a) ignores and treats as irrelevant the much more loyal constituency of black folks, without whom no Democrat would have won anything in the past twenty years (and indeed the racial gap favoring the Democrats among blacks is about six times larger than the gender gap favoring them among white women, relative to white men); and b) demonstrates the mentality of entitlement and superiority that has been long ingrained in us as white folks --so that we believe we have the right to dictate the terms of political engagement, and to determine the outcome, and to get our way, simply because for so long we have done just that.

(Faints.. wakes up and staggers back to keyboard...)

I think I need a cigarette after reading that!! Good Lord, that just blew my mind....

[flamingdem]

81. I know many Latina feminists who favored Hillary and are not thrilled w Obama nt

[flamingdem]

82. I should add that they will vote for him regardless nt

[sniffa]

45. Save for being a lobbyist, this isn't LBN worthy

Actually, being a lobbyist makes it not news at all.

[AllentownJake]

47. She wouldn't be allowed to fundraise for Obama anyway

She's a lobbyist.

[autorank]

48. Good bye and never come back, if it's not too much trouble.

Because people like this are all about not confronting much of anything. But if she can't even
make a choice between decrepit fascism and Obama, then she really needs to take a hike.

[quickesst]

49. The more.....

"devout" Obama fans trot these inconsequential "hilbots" out to satisfy the need for thier Clinton hatred, the more people are going to start thinking the same way. Clinton haters vindicate this woman on a daily basis. AMUP, the Bizarro World alternative to PUMA, dedicated to turning every Clinton supporter against Obama for the sake of satisfying the addiction to Clinton hate. Thanks a lot.
quickesst

[Vinca]

50. Translation: she realizes Obama can't be bought. nt

[Joe Chi Minh]

51. "... and a lobbyist with an Inside-the-Beltway career." Ah, so clearly, the voice of a

paragon of moral authority. Who could gainsay it?

[onehandle]

52. "Breaking News," this is a decisive little story that You've found.

And I want to know why the Mods have left it in LBN.

[WatchWhatISay]

53. Did you mean "devisive"?

I could agree with that.

Can't we all just be glad she's gone without insulting Hillary?

[onehandle]

67. Yes. It was early and the spellchecker in my brain selected the wrong word.

Me no rite good in morening.

[LaurenG]

54. There are plenty of others who cannot make themselves vote for

McCain. The most intelligent and intuitive know why they have to vote for Obama. Those who go with their fears need to be cut loose and ignored. They are now in the opposing camp and must need to learn the hard way. bye bye Caren Z Turner. :hi:

[democrattotheend]

55. Hillary can stop this

She may not have the ability to shut down the PUMA movement, but if she pressured her top donors to stop whining to the media about Obama and making a big show of defecting, she could probably stop these kind of articles from propping up. I am trying to trust her and I do appreciate her campaigning on behalf of Obama, but the fact that these stories keep propping up is making it hard to trust her and believe she is doing everything she can. If she wants any shot at being VP she needs to get her top donors in line. She can't force them to donate to Obama but she can get them to shut up.

[Arkansas Granny]

59. Hillary does not have control over these people. She cannot force anyone

to do anything. She has endorsed Obama and has asked her supporters to vote for him. She has met with her top donors and has asked them to donate to Obama's campaign. She is keeping her promise to campaign for Obama and has made appearances with him and on his behalf. However, there are limits to what she can do.

[democrattotheend]

80. She can put more pressure

Let them know she does not look kindly upon their behavior and that they won't be rewarded for it if she does at some point become president.

[Arkansas Granny]

85. And do you know that she hasn't already done this? Again, she has

no control over some of these people and she cannot force them to do or not do anything.

[Hoof Hearted]

102. Bullshit. She can no more stop this than Obama can stop Ludacris or other stupid "supporters."

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[WinkyDink]

57. Because McCain is so much a better Democrat! What a moran.

[barack the house]

58. I've no time for these people anymore if they are happy with status quo change sides but why the -->

song and dance about it. At least when lieberman changed sides he didn't make a spectacle of it. THEY SHOULD GO LEAVE, we'll work on saving America.

[Alter Ego]

60. So vote for McCain.

Not all Hillary supporters are as stupid as she is.

[TexasObserver]

61. every election cycle, a few turncoats sell out to the dark side

It's predictable, because many of those people are merely serving their own needs, and when they become more and more conservative, it's natural to sell out to the GOP.

There will always be Democrats who sell out and become Republicans, because as people get older, they tend to get more conservative. So some elderly person who has been a Democrat but becomes a Republican isn't all that unusual.

[geek tragedy]

62. She feels she can buy influence with McCain.

Corruptocrat go home!

[Upton]

63. So what?

Why even post this crap?

[Ikonoklast]

64. Door, ass, bye.

Don't need or want the likes of people like her in this party.

Obama will be president just fine without her support.

[WeDidIt]

66. Thanks for your "concern"

It's been noted.

[polmaven]

68. Not anything new!

Move on......THE PRIMARIES ARE OVER!

[Avalux]

70. Who cares? She's just an angry woman running on emotion more than reason.

People like that are what make this country a mess.

[Mass]

71. So let her leave. She is no Clinton supporter if she goes to McCain.

Or at least, she does not believe in what Hillary does believe.

[zulchzulu]

72. This butthead thinks Obama is "misogynistic", so she decides to go for McCain...

:rofl:

That is FUCKING HYSTERICAL!

[TexasObserver]

74. Isn't that a laugh?!

Someone should explain to her that just because her feathers are ruffled doesn't make Obama misogynist. Don't you hate people who can't accept defeat without trying to create false notions of why their candidate lost?

[zulchzulu]

86. It's like saying she likes Jeffrey Dahmer because she thinks Obama is a freak

I did find out that she in fact is a Republican and this Jersey fishwrapper where the story originated didn't bother to ask her... (see a few threads up)

[Meshuga]

73. So what?

Why would I care if this idiot would vote for McCain? Funny that she is not comfortable with Obama but has no problems with McCain.

[Peacetrain]

75. Don't let the door hit you in the backside as you

slither away.. what a fool

[saltpoint]

77. I hope Ms. Turner and her friends have given full consideration to

the sort of social climate they'll live under following 4 to 8 years of judicial appointments by McCain.

[zulchzulu]

78. Caren is just falling for Carly Fiorina's hairdo... AND IS A REPUBLICAN!

Caren


Carly

Oh wait! She's a fucking Repig!

Ms. Turner is an Honorary Chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee's (NRCC) Business Advisory Council, and a member of the Presidential Business Commission.

http://lobbylinx.com/MainPages/caren-turner.htm

[Political Heretic]

79. Sad to see people who care about personalities more than issues.

Barack Obama has a nearly identical platform to Hillary Clinton. John McCain has a fundamentally opposite platform on most issues.

It's too bad for some people its "personal" rather than about the issues that affect real Americans.

[Jakes Progress]

84. All the drama.

Guys. This is a new poster. Everyone has to start somewhere, but this one starts with a post to dredge up the primary fight, stir up the Hillary Haters, bait the former Clinton supporters, and generally get the pot boiling. I know it is a blow to the patella, but these knee jerk reactions are not productive. Go form a "I Hate Hillary" forum. DU is about Democrats getting elected, not dividing the party.

[Hieronymus]

87. Buh bye, Caren, don't let the door hit you in the ass.

[book_worm]

88. "I'm not comfortable" with Obama--because he's black maybe?

[workinclasszero]

89. Caren Z. Turner = Rethuglican fascist POS

Piss on her and her nazi friends.

[Bobbie Jo]

90. Again, I say...Y..A..W..N

Give me a fucking break. I bet she voted for Bush, twice.....:eyes:

C'mon McStale....Is that ALL YOU'VE GOT?

[zanne]

91. When somebody says they're not "comfortable" with Obama...

I know what they're really trying to say. Racist assholes.

[Life Long Dem]

92. A good swap?

From Obama doing nothing to stop Hillary bashing to losing woman's rights sounds a bit off in the balance of things.

[DevonRex]

93. She is either irrational or racist. And maybe both. Because no

rational democrat could vote for McCain, much less raise money for him. Unless of course she's a racist but won't admit it. These women make all of us look bad and it's embarrassing.

So, my call is irrational racist.

[DevonRex]

94. On second thought, maybe she's in the cult of personality group. nt

[Heather MC]

96. "I am not comfortable with Obama," hmm that sounds a lot like that line from the color purple

"I don't know her either"

So she's more "comfortable" with McCain the Creepy old guy. Brillant!

[TwilightGardener]

97. You're the one who posted RW shit about Obama's "commie" mentor--

you are here to disrupt.

[Thrill]

98. Of course "a lobbyist with a 25-year Inside-the-Beltway career".

ENOUGH SAID

[PatGund]

99. A "devout" Clinton supporter....

Do a search for her on opensecrets.org. What you find?

She donated $1000 to Sen. Hillary Clinton in 2007.........and $2300 to Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same year.

That's $2300 - the maximum donation. And $1300 more than Sen. Clinton.

Republicans -
2008 - Rep. Don Manzullo ($1000)
2005 - Rep. Bill Thomas ($250)
2007 - Rudy Giuliani ($2300)
2005 - National Republican Congressional Committee ($500)
2005 - Sen. Orrin Hatch ($1000)
2008 - Rep. Walter Jones Jr. ($500)
Total - $5550

Democrats -
2008 - Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee ($1000)
2005, 2007, 2008 - Rep. James McGovern ($250, $1000, $1000)
2000 - Terry Lierman ($350)
2008 - Linda Stender ($1571, $1000)
2007 - Sen. Hillary Clinton ($1000)
2008 - Sen. Frank Lautenberg ($500, $250)
Total - $7921


PAC
2006 - Forward Together ($1000)
2008 - Womencount ($500)
Total - $1500

[Lydia Leftcoast]

101. Then she was never a Democrat to begin with

She was in a cult of personality directed at Hillary Clinton.