True or False: Deanophobia Leads to Punditophilia

[BurtWorm]

Whereas before Dean, a person might be loathe to quote Larry Klayman, Howard Fineman, Rich Lowry, and other Clinton-bashers and media whores on any subject, after Dean the same person might suddenly be open to what these wingers and winger-wannabes have to say on the subject of Howard Dean.

True or False?

[dave29]

1. True

but for all candidates. Any good press will be spun as such - no matter the source - and we all know it ;)

[JVS]

2. True

[wtmusic]

3. Maybe I need a case of overanalytiszema to understand you BW, but....

??

[BurtWorm]

5. Does Fear of Howard Dean

lead to tolerance of pundits like Howard Fineman, Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch, Rich Lowry of National Review etc., at least insofar as the subject is Howard Dean?

[wtmusic]

9. OK

yes...and the 'other eight' are doing their best to exploit it.

Don't see this 'fear' thing as a lasting phenomenon. Most voters (R or D) have yet to even hear Dean speak.

[molly]

20. Huh - cuse me - EVERYONE has heard HD

he spent millions on his "campaign" - had to separate the two BTW. This is a man that will go out into the public arena and quote the book of Job as the New Testament. HELLO?

[indigo32]

26. WRONG

EVERYONE could give a shit about HD or any of the others for the most part. My best friend and all her co-workers at the nursing home she works at KNOW enough of whats going on that they despise Bush... but know NOTHING about the Dem candidates. This is just how it is.

[Bombtrack]

4. at least most of us don't demonize anyone who crticises our candidates

.

[windansea]

6. I have gaffeaphobia

think I caught it in the last month or so

[BurtWorm]

8. I have Official-Story-ophobia.

I've had it most of my life.

[robbedvoter]

23. You win! Best answer!

[BurtWorm]

29. Thank you!

I take note of the source and it means that much more to me. :hi:

[rucky]

7. oops

True

[blm]

10. Let's see, when they were promoting Dean early on it was a GOOD thing

as in "See, even soandso says that Dean is a straight talker and can beat Bush."

Now, that Rove is certain that Dean is the nominee and the tefllon the media granted him is slowly being recalled to favor Bush, it may be too damn late for the Dem party.

[molly]

11. It's NOT too late

Rove is NOT the only genius in the bunch. Did you ever play "Stratego" or it used to be called "Battleship"? It was a fun game with many surprises. I absolutely love these games!

[PVnRT]

15. First of all, Stratego is nothing like Battleship

And, second of all, you have yet, along with blm, provide one shred of proof that Rove wants Dean as the Dem candidate, despite you two quoting it as fact in nearly every post. Care to offer some, or are you just going to keep howling the same old horseshit over and over again?

By the way, an opinion article is not proof, either.

[molly]

17. Howard Dean is the defendant - he needs to provide the truth

I don't "howl" horseshit - Dean does!

[indigo32]

24. Bad analogy

in a court of law we're innocent until proven guilty.

[molly]

25. Are you implying that Howard is not guilty of sealing his

records?

[indigo32]

28. How did the subject suddenly get switched to his records?

this subthread is talking about Rove wanting Dean to face *.

[molly]

31. Dean can't face anyone before he gets himself

cleaned up - or ready to walk on hot coals.

[indigo32]

32. We'll see what happens I guess

eom

[Melinda]

12. Klayman was adored by almost all on DU when he went after Cheney

This is a silly thesis. Any and all will be used to validate ones position by any and all.

[BurtWorm]

13. Some of us preserved our skepticism

and based on how swimmingly the JW suit has gone, I think we were right to.

[Melinda]

16. My qualifier wasn't qualified enough.

Almost all is probably too many, although you surely will admit that the knee pads were a plenty. :shrug:

I was not one of those on her knees however, and I continue to take what MOST Corporate Media Whores say with a huge grain of salt... unless their names are Walter, Dana, Dana or Paul.

[JVS]

14. There is a corollary to this that good press on Dean is proof of VRWC

Yet bad press on Dean, even from blantantly ight win sources is a "healthy free and independent source"

[blm]

19. Nope. Just proof that the teflon originally granted Dean is being recalled

and placed on its rightful owner, GWBush.

[robbedvoter]

22. And the process is still ambiguos...NY Post, Safire, Nofacts

are still hanging in there. Funny thing, they get their jollies in saying : "democrats attack HD" Then HD reads and misses he bias and repeats: "Democrats attack me!" Which makes him a....Talossian?

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. No,

Deanophilia leads to punditwhasskissingophilia. They are doing the bidding of KKKRove. They want him to win. They talk about him....24/7. RW, WH ass kissing media pundits DEFEND him. Dean is the front runner, Dean is the front runner, Dean is the front runner. It's nauseating how they are promoting Howard for KKKRove. Last night, William Safire said...TWICE...that he hopes Howard is the nominee. Frank Luntz...RW Pollster was DROOLING over Howard the other night. That's ONE of the reasons I switched to the Clark campaign...the RWers were defending Howard and that means SOMETHING is not right.

[BurtWorm]

27. If they want him so badly, why do they keep saying it so loudly?

It's a mind-fucking game they're playing. They're taking a lesson from Brer Rabbit. I think they have better reason to be scared of Dean because unlike most other Democratic candidates of recent memory, he actually motivates people who haven't been motivated by a candidate before. For all the spin about his negative energy, he's giving a lot of people a reason to vote for him--and he's doing it by taking lots of risks and engaging in unconventional warfare. I think the GOP should be afraid that the class warfare theme Al Gore took up and dropped (to his detriment) in 2000 is going to come back with a vengeance in 2004 if Dean is the nominee.

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. Why do they keep saying it so loudly?

Because KKKRove will wipe the floor with him. Dean will not win the GE should he win the nomination. He's the guy they want. Clark they fear. Can you give a better explaination as to why Frank Luntz, Tony Blankley and Willian Safire, ALL RW pundits...defend Dean? I have heard EVERY one of them defend him. So? Why is that? I know why.

[BurtWorm]

35. Why does their central propaganda organ blare pseudo-enthusiasm

for a Dean candidacy? "Please, Brer Fox! Rip out my fingernails and skin me alive but, please, whatever you do, nominate Howard Dean!"

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. See post # 34.

They work for the WH...they want Dean. They fear the WH. I read an article in Newsweek about how CNN had been threatened by the WH if they didn't stop talking about the mindless wonder being AWOL. They stopped talking about, didn't they? I'm sure they have gotten their marching orders from the WH. We know who FAUX NEWS gets their marching orders.....Roger baby. Dean will lose. The WH wants him.

[BurtWorm]

39. Gosh. You think they're all-powerful?

Then why even go through the pretense of an election season, I wonder. Why not just declare themselves emporer?

[robbedvoter]

21. You mean like Swank, Safire and National Review?Woodruff, Crawley etc?

[BurtWorm]

30. Prezackly.

[nomaco-10]

33. What was the rightwing publication that ....

Sean Hannity held up everyday for weeks claiming they had the proof of a Saddam and Bin Laden link? I know it sank like a stone, but you gotta give the creeps A for effort. Also the infamous leaked memo that Sean waved around for days hollering about the leftwing conspiracy to ambush the repubs over 911, alas that one sank like a stone too. Don't you just love those rightwing articles that never get off the ground, but end up posted "somewhere" as if they were the
very model of truth itself.

[Cocoa]

37. A Dean supporter posted something by a guy named Swank

minimizing the importance of Clinton's support of Clark.

The site the article came from was a ridiculous RW, Clinton-hating nut site, but the article was posted approvingly.

[RetroLounge]

38. Hence all Dean supporters do this?

What's your point?

Some Kucinich supporters post links to Socialist Web Sites.

Should I broad-stroke all of them together too?