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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:29 PM
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Hillary Clinton agrees to Denver keynote - sign she's not running mate
Hillary Clinton has agreed to speak on Day 2 of the Democratic convention to commemorate the 88th anniversary of women's right to vote - a move seen by delegates as another sign she won't be on Barack Obama's ticket, the Daily News learned.

A top Obama aide told party leaders in a conference call last night that Clinton has accepted the offer to be the featured prime-time Tuesday night speaker, a high-profile slot that some of Clinton's own people have floated in recent days.


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Koch added that Obama's vice presidential nominee - whomever that turns out to be - will likely speak Monday and Wednesday evening as part of the traditional build-up to Obama accepting the nomination on Thursday night.

Some of those on the conference call concluded Clinton was not under serious consideration for vice president, and would instead be filling a more limited - albeit historically charged - role at the Denver convention.

"She said Hillary Clinton has accepted the role of speaking on the passage of the 19th Amendment," said Gus Bickford, a DNC member and superdelegate from Massachusetts who was on the call. "It really does send the signal that Hillary will not be the vice president."

Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, had no immediate comment on when or in what context Clinton might be addressing the convention, in keeping with a general policy on the planned Denver pow-wow. "We are not talking about any convention decisions," he told The News.


More... http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/07/30/2008-07-30_hillary_clinton_agrees_to_denver_keynote.html
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:34 PM
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1. Was it ever even in question??
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:42 PM
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2. If she isn't on the ticket, our odds of taking back the White House in November are diminished.
The polls are too close, and they're showing Obama getting a smaller percentage among Democrats than McCain is getting among Republicans. If he chooses anyone but Clinton as his running mate, that isn't likely to change.

Sigh. I've been hoping he'd be smart enough to realize that, despite any worries about possibly being overshadowed.

I'm still hoping.

I'm also concerned that if he announces someone else as his running mate during or just before the convention -- or even this close to the convention -- there are going to be a lot of images of disappointed Clinton supporters underwhelmed by Obama's choice.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:49 PM
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8. Hillary is head and shoulders over the dwarfs who have been floated. Including blubbermouth Biden.
BO really needs be be careful here. We need a united party, a strong ticket, and a Pres and Veep who can fix this mess * has wrought. Only one VP can fit that bill - Hillary.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:08 PM
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17. I'm with yoy 100%.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:18 PM
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32. She is also the 3rd most divisive person in American Politics
The VPs number one job is to do no harm.

The VP makes three media events.

The announcement, the convention, and the VP debate...after that they are a background player.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:20 PM
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39. And your charge is based on what? BO should pick someone who can help him win and govern.
Hillary is far and away the best for BOTH.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:22 PM
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43. I don't think she helps him win
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 01:22 PM by Jake3463
and I don't think that she would be a good Vice President. She turns off people outside of our party.

I think she would be a fine President and a fine Senator but I don't see her enjoying being number 2.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:43 PM
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63. Your thinking is wrong.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:22 PM
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44. He will pick someone that can help him win and govern....
....Hillary is not even close to the best in either category.

...especially the latter category.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:14 PM
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84. haha, didn't you just say yesterday the VP choice won't change the outcome?
So now Clinton is Obama's only chance of winning?

Pick a damn side, please! Either VP candidates help or they won't...but you can't say one day a VP candidate won't do a damn thing for Obama and then today suggest it's his only way of winning. :eyes:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:19 PM
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36. Biden is a very serious foreign policy person - far more than HRC
He has even passed more legislation that helps women, such as the anti-violence bill!

Praise HRC all you want, but please do it without attacking someone who will be a good surrogate for Obama.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:28 PM
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55. You've got that right....
Not only would Hillary be the best pick for Obama, this country absolutely needs her.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:10 PM
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96. Since when has the country "absolutely needed" *ANY* VP?
Wouldn't your opinion about how vital her service is imply that she would be most effective in another position within government? What can she do as VP to help the country more than she could in the Senate or in the Cabinet or if it comes to pass, on the Supreme Court bench?
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:03 PM
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71. Clinton seriously detracts from the ticket.
I know several personal examples of people who wouldn't vote for a ticket with Clinton on it... including my mother who is her PRIME demographic.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:04 PM
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72. I am a big admirer of Joe Biden and I object to your calling him a "blubbermouth."
The laugh will be on you if Obama taps him for the VP slot.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:54 PM
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10. agreed
we're watching a train wreck.

I keep hoping, like you, that Obama takes the idea of unity seriously. He is going to need a united party behind him, and we're nowhere close right now.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #10
61. I've always thought he took the idea of winning seriously.
But maybe not so much.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:25 PM
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49. Hillary as VP would be a huge mistake.
Huge.

I'm hopeful we won't have to deal with that debacle.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:28 PM
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56. Change
doesn't inlude having a Bush or Clinton in the WhiteHouse
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:37 PM
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60. Of all the incredibly STUPID reasons to disagree with Clinton as VP - that one is the stupidest.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #60
65. Yeah, saying no to plutocracy
is real fucking stupid
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #60
73. It's not stupid at all. How in the world can Hillary be considered an agent of change?
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #2
77. Oh, please. The last time a VP was relevant to the electoral outcome was '64.
I disagree with you vehemently.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #77
101. I think you're thinking of '60 and not '64
Johnson won in a landslide in '64 and running mates had little if nothing to do with it.

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CTD Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:44 PM
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3. Now I can donate to the DNC and Obama campaign again
I was holding off on contributions to both until I received assurance that *she* would not be on the ticket.

I think it's even damaging to Obama to have her speak at the convention, but I don't see any way around it.
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bermudat Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:57 PM
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12. I am holding off donating to Obama until it is clear Hillary will not be VP
I do not want any of my money paying off her debts.
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mloutre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:07 PM
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15. Any money you donate to Obama's campaign cannot legally be spent to pay off Clinton's campaign debt.

He can help her to raise money for her campaign if he wants, but none of his funds can be spent to retire her debts.

So, not to worry.


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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #12
67. That is illegal. Your money cannot go towards her debt!
Why is it that people still don't know this.

At any rate, I'm thrilled that Hillary is not a VP prospect. Now, *I* can donate even more to him!!
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:45 PM
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4. oh, well, she'll give a really good speech at the convention.
That's a cool idea about commemorating the 88th anniversary of women's right to vote. I'm excited for the convention, and I know that Hillary will be on the stump campaigning for Obama.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:46 PM
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5. Whatever......
Condescending bullshit!!!!

Giving Clinton a prominent, prime-time speaking role - on a topic freighted with significance for Clinton, the first woman to almost win a presidential nomination - is a fitting consolation prize that should help to heal remaining tensions within the party, some said.

:mad:
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:47 PM
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6. Didn't she want a primetime speaking slot?
I thought I read that a while ago. I'm not even convinced she really wants to be VP.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:51 PM
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9. Oh yeah, I wanted her to speak on the 88th anniversary of the women's right to vote.
Let's appease the little women by throwing a bone at Hillary and let's make Tuesday ladies night. Will they also have 1/2 priced drinks from 4 to 7?

:puke:
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:55 PM
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11. the poster wasn't asking about what YOU want.
Maybe Hillary wants to talk about this. I don't think she would agree to talk about something that she viewed would be condescending to her supporters. I trust that she'll make a great, relevent speech.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:21 PM
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78. Listen. If women want to be treated seriously, then that means being
treated the same as the REST of the candidates who lost the nomination. Given the closeness of the primary, Hillary is being given a hell of a lot more than Dean, Clark, or Gephardt were. I mean, are you kidding me? I find your "woman as victim" crap utterly sexist. Politics ain't no beanbag; nor is Hillary. So grow up, and stop pinning everything to woman victimhood. It is frankly tiring.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:14 PM
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97. Hillary isn't the same as the other candidates--she got a lot more votes and Obama failed to
win the PDs needed to clinch the nomination--he fell over 300 delegates short. Which ever candidate lost was going to speak in Prime time. Imagine if Obama lost and was asked to talk abotut being the first black candidate to get this far, and he was identified as the black presidential candidate (something he never failed to accuse Hillary of trying to do to him). How would you like that?

Steve
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 06:58 PM
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104. Pointing out the truth
Isn't always offensive. Hillary's campaign is historic because she was the first women to get this far as Obama's is historic for the same reason.

Giving the Keynote address at a Democratic Convention is an honor I don't see why Hillary supporters are so pissed.

She's also speaking and highliting something she said she wanted to do after she dropped out and that was speak of Women's issues and struggles. I'm sorry I believed she her when said she wanted to address some of her sexist treatment in the media and her giving a speech about women being able to succeed is a positive thing.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:19 PM
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85. Oh you gals!
:sarcasm:

Yeah once again Howie and the DNC telling "the girls" to take whatever they can get.


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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 06:54 PM
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102. So because she's a woman this is a concilliation prize?
I can name two women who gave democratic keynote addresses

Anne Richards 1988

Barbara Jordan (she gave it twice)1976 and 1992


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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:18 PM
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98. It really is so humiliating, isn't it? They won't show her a drop of respect. I expected her to
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 05:23 PM by StevieM
speak in prime time, as Obama would have if he had lost. But this ladies' night thing is total BS. I didn't vote for Hillary, or donate to her campaign, because she is a woman. I wasn't looking to nominate a female candidate, I was looking to nominate Hillary. So not only have women been insulted with this patronizing garbage, but men have had their votes flushed down the toilet--anything we liked about her is irrelevant to the Democratic Party.

Steve
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 06:47 PM
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100. Tuesday is the Keynote fucking address
Its a coincidence on the day it falls on and Hillary has said since she dropped out that she wanted to address women's issues she felt were used against her in the campaign.

I swear you people get offended at anything unless it involves her being the nominee.
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Chloroplast Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #98
103. You're really reaching there, aren't you?
I'm Black and a woman; should I be insulted that Obama and Clinton are speaking on historic anniversaries? Please, the anger I'm seeing here is because it's becoming more and more evident that Clinton won't be the VP. Hillary isn't some unique creature that has to be coddled because her supporters felt jilted; that's not how things work. I want the Democratic Party to move forward as a unified group but I'll be damned if I have to hear about adults belly-aching because they feel slighted.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:02 PM
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13. Yes, that article is condescending bullshit, and I hope it's wrong.
If there's even the slightest hint of condescension toward the Clintons by Obama or his campaign during the convention, they'll be losing a lot of Clinton supporters whose votes they need in November.

I hope Obama doesn't screw this up. I was really looking forward to having a Democrat in the White House again.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:10 PM
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21. Hillary came a hair away from winning the nomination.
The first woman to do so, she and Obama each won more votes than anyone in a primary in US history. So, her "consolation prize" is to speak on women's issues on what appears to be "chick's night".

Well, I'm sooo overwhelmed.......



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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:12 PM
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24. It seems fitting to me
That as the first woman who came so close to the presidency, she should give a speech on the anniversary of the day women got the right to vote. What's condescending about that? If they devote a whole night of the convention to talking about women's issues and the progress women have made that is a lot more than they usually do and more than will be done for every other constituency group...what is condescending about it?
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:16 PM
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30. It seems fitting to me that Clinton should be VP if Obama is serious about uniting the party and
winning the election.

We have an election to win. And if the VP choice is weak because Obama can't handle having his strongest rival on the ticket, or is worried about being overshadowed by Bill and/or Hillary, then we're going to be in trouble in November.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #30
41. Got it.... so ANY speaking spot that indicates that Hillary is NOT the VP is "condescending"....


So.... at least we know your position.


ANY role that Clinton has that is NOT VP is unacceptable to you.



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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:23 PM
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46. Bingo!!!
I give up, I'm going out for a walk. I'm too damn pissed off and I don't want to say something that I may later regret.

See yah.....
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #30
48. The party is united. PUMAs are political terrorists who use the threat of
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 01:26 PM by Occam Bandage
John McCain and the ensuing death around the world to try to force their candidate on the Democratic party, despite the fact that even that same candidate disagrees with that. They are no more important than the similar Naderites, and ought be given no more attention or deference.

The party is united. The only reason to pick Hillary would be to pander to the PUMAs.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. lol
PUMAs should be executed for treason... right?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:27 PM
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52. No. They should simply be ignored.
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 01:28 PM by Occam Bandage
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #48
89. Pander to the PUMA's?
What the fuck is that shit?

Take off your god-damn HHH (Hillary Hate Hate) for once.

So anything that is remotely positive for Hillary is "pandering to the PUMA's". Here's a fucking newsflash, there are PLENTY of Hillary supporters that are voting for Obama in the fall and MANY of us want Hillary as VP. So that makes us "PUMA's"???

After Hillary dropped out and endorsed Obama, I was starting to feel excited about this election. I really thought that the bitterness was over. But I see that's not the case.

I see the god-damn primary battle is still going full throttle in here.

Same shit. So when does the battle cry of "get out of the way" start back up?




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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #30
66. So what does Hillary bring to the table
in the way of foreign policy which seems to be the major weak spot for Obama? Oh, yeah, nothing. Perhaps the VP should be someone that actually fills in weak spots rather than just someone to make you happy. Perhaps picking her just because there are people who like her is a little bit condescending to her and other women, but YMMV.
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Chloroplast Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #30
88. Here we go again...
She is NOT owed any special concession just because she came close; if the shoe were on the other foot, do you really believe she'd entertain Obama as her VP? She didn't win and has been asked to support the presumptive nominee and she's agreed. Even the slightest of hints that the party can't be united without Clinton on the ticket should be called out as divisive tactics. The only person that can pick the VP is Obama; not Clinton, not her supporters and not the media.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #21
28. She's the keynote speaker during primetime.
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 01:16 PM by Bleachers7
It doen't say that she's speaking on womens issues during "chick's night." Stop making shit up.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #28
99. I guess we'll find out how many PUMAs there *really* are after the VP decision is announced
From all the rumblings on this thread, it sounds like the number may rise right here if indeed Hillary is not handed the VP slot, which is apparently the only acceptable form of consolation prize that some of her stronger supporters will accept...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. She's giving the Keynote address
What night should she be speaking on?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:16 PM
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31. When SHOULD she speak?

Thursday prime time: the nominee (Obama)

Wednesday prime time: the VP nominee

Tuesday prime time: the keynote

Monday prime time: ????



There's only 4 prime time speaking slots at the convention.


Exactly WHICH one would make you happy? If she's not the VP.... the most prominent slot is Tuesday night.



WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU WANT?

Honestly... please answer..... WHEN SHOULD SHE SPEAK?
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:03 PM
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95. she was the presumptive winner at the offset, that was the hair away time
but she managed to work herself to a full head of hair away from winning in the end.

this meme that it was such a close race is really not true.
she lost it back on super tuesday and the following 10 contests

her comeback was not near as impressive as the media made it out to be.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #13
22. I thought all of you Clinton supporters had "gotten over" the Primary and were on board?

...that's what you keep saying, anyway.
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:14 PM
Original message
Only if on board means one foot on the dock, one foot on the edge of the boat...
...and both hands drilling a hole in the bottom of the boat. :(
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:34 PM
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90. You mean when we're called "PUMA's" ???
If that's the Obama welcome mat I rather walk on glass.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #13
23. well, NY Daily news is basically a tabloid, so condescending BS IS their specialty
I'll wait for a more legitimate media outlet to confirm, but I'm sure that Hillary Clinton as well would know how to handle this if she gives a speech of this kind , and won't agree to anything that will seem condescending.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #13
26. Stop whining already,
Geez
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #5
14. Bill will be speaking from the bed of a Truck out in the parking lot
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 01:07 PM by JackORoses
Giving a speech entitled, "How Fairy Tales Come True..."
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #14
82. Quick Question....
Do you ever say ANYTHING positive?

Ever?
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #82
86. SNAP!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #5
18. Isn't the Keynote speaker the third most prominent speaker?
1. President
2. VP
3. Keynote

In many ways, the keynote is really #2.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #18
50. Likely depends on the speakers and speeches
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 01:28 PM by karynnj
The President's is always the most important - because he/she is the one who needs to impress people.

Some keynote speeches are great, other not memorable. In 2004, the keynote speech was likely more important than Clinton's speech on Day 1 and Edwards on Day 2 (this was the only one that disappointed as he had so much hype and a competent, but not exciting speech. Kerry's speech was very very well received. Jesse Jackson gave a great speech for Clinton as did Cuomo. Clinton's for Dukakis is best forgotten - as it was the worst in my memory.

(this says that the vp will speak Monday and Wednesday - that would be unusual.)

This is a nice gesture from Obama to HRC and her supporters.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #5
20. Let me get this straight...you're UPSET that Hillary is giving the keynote in prime time on Tuesday?

....and the Clinton supporters on DU keep saying that WE Obama supporters haven't "gotten over" the Primary?


The Obama campaign gave Hillary the most-prized speaking slot that isn't reserved for the nominee or his VP....


...and that's CONDESCENDING to you?



The primary ended two months ago.. you need to get over it.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #5
27. Umm not to be rude
But it's Obama's party and he is giving her the speaking spot she herself asked for.

What is the problem here?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #27
35. The problem here is that the PUMAs won't accept anything short of VP....
...and if they could, they'd have her speaking Thursday night instead of Obama.


Obama is giving her the most prominent non-VP spot she could possibly get....


...and they are calling it "condescending".....


:eyes:
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #35
79. VP? The PUMAs want an insurrection & coup at the convention.
For the record, PUMAs have largely been TS'd on DU. I don't think that is what is going on here. Just that wounds take time to heal.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #79
87. Thank you!
Pisses me off that around here when any Hillary supporter speaks up they get slammed as a "PUMA".

I see not much has changed since the primary ended.
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #87
92. Because some Obama supporters who should have been TS'd
for acting like assholes during the primaries are still here and still acting like assholes. Unfortunately it's easier for assholes to hide when they're behind the winner. :-)
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #27
47. It's the Democratic party, NOT Obama's party. Just as it's the
Democratic convention, and not -- as someone else here referred to it in one subject line a few days ago -- "the Obama convention."

As for giving Clinton what she asked for -- if she's willing to be on the ticket, then THAT is what he should give her, if he wants her support, and her supporters.

He couldn't have a stronger VP or one who could do more to unite the party and ensure a win in November.

If he's worried he'll be overshadowed by the Clintons, then he really needs to get over it. It will not be a good sign if he makes a VP pick showing he needs a yes-man or yes-woman he can clearly overshadow. And the media will pick up on that sign of weakness.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #47
54. The Democratic Convention
IS OBAMA's PARTY. Its a celebration of our party and values but its main aim is a 4 day free commercial for Barack Obama.

She wasn't entitled to the nomination and she's not entitled to the Vice Presidency either.

Its his choice who he runs and governs with and you need to get over yourself and it. If he picks Hillary I'll respect that and support it if he doesn't I respect that and support it.



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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #5
33. You're upset that she got the prime-time speaking slot she asked for?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. They're upset because it is not the VP slot on Wednesday night...
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. Denial must run deep. It was obvious she wasn't getting that slot from a month before she dropped.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. It was obvious to everyone, including Hillary, except for the ardent PUMAs....
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #42
91. And I wish Hillary would come out and PUBLICLY put the kibosh
on the PUMA's planned insurrection at the Convention.

WHAT are you waiting for, Hillary? Tell your rabid followers to STAND DOWN!
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #5
34. Totally condescending article. Man up, Obama. Pick Hillary.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #34
45. "Man up, Obama. Pick a weak candidate because a few thousand shrieking diehards
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 01:31 PM by Occam Bandage
will otherwise call you a wimp as they threaten to withhold their votes."

Picking Hillary would be the weakest thing he could do.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:27 PM
Original message
Yes.... it would do figuratively what Jesse Jackson threatened to do literally
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #45
53. Clinton is far and away the strongest VP choice. Just as Obama would have been her strongest
VP choice if she had been the nominee.

She had the sense to realize that, and I hope he'll be as intelligent. And not too afraid of being overshadowed by her and by Bill.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. I would never want Obama as VP
Vice Presidency is the most useless government position. I'd rather he'd stay in the senate than be VP.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #53
58. That might be the case if the party was still split. As it stands, there is nothing that she brings
to the ticket that is not brought by other candidates, and with less baggage to boot. The only advantage she had that was unique to her was that she could bring in her supporters. They came over of their own accord. Picking her would be purely deference to and fear of PUMAs; there is no other advantage.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #58
59. Exactly.... aside from a few diehards, the party is ALREADY united...
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #59
62. No, it isn't. Polls have shown that it isn't. Obama's getting a smaller percentage of Democrats
than McCain is getting of Republicans. Polls have also shown a significant fraction of Clinton's supporters saying they won't vote for Obama.

We are going to need those votes in November, and the only way to get them -- most of them anyway -- is to have Clinton on the ticket.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #5
64. Sooooooo
not giving her a prime-time speaking slot would have been better? I'm confused. Plus giving her that prime-time slot to speak about women's rights is somehow patriarchal? Now I'm really confused. I mean, if he put her at 8 in the morning to talk about it and nobody else discussed it, I could see the outrage, but he's putting her and the issue in prime time.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #64
68. There is absolutely NOTHING condescending about that speaking spot...
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 01:52 PM by scheming daemons
It's the most prized slot other than the VP slot (and the nominee slot, of course).


Therein lies the problem.


The ones upset with it are upset because it means she WON'T be speaking Wednesday night... i.e. she won't be the VP.


Anything short of the VP slot is "condescending" to Hillary.


Welcome to the world of PUMA.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. There is some serious
damn crazy going on with this thinking. How stupid do you have to be to be outraged at getting the #3 speaking slot and to call it condescending? I'm glad I don't live in that world where unicorns are gray and fart fire and brimstone.
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #68
83. Correction, for the Deadenders, anything short of the Thursday (nominee)
speaking spot is beneath her.
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:47 PM
Response to Original message
7. Good.
:nopity:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:07 PM
Response to Original message
16. Are you willing to give your life for Hillary's agenda for America?
:evilgrin:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. is it on the menu at Olive Garden?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:13 PM
Response to Original message
25. That's interesting..on the anniversary
of The Women's Right To Vote.

And, Obama accepting on MLK "I Have A Dream" Speech. Good signs.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:20 PM
Response to Original message
38. VP pick is going to be very soon
Hillary's already been told its not her.
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trewsx11 Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #38
93. Evan Bayh = Hillary Clinton with a penis
Just like Hillary, will play well with soccer moms and little old grannies who live in Bumfuck, Ohio.

And he brings executive experience and economic credentials, too.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:59 PM
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70. The fact that Obama tapped a woman she's not speaking to..
as the Chief of Staff for the V.P. nominee would be a sign as well.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #70
74. The "woman she's not speaking to" is still a friend of hers and asked for Clinton's okay
before joining the Obama campaign. News story a while back, posted here at DU.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. The article I read today..
Patty said they still haven't spoken since she was fired.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #75
80. Here's a link to the 7/16 topic
"AP story: Patti Solis Doyle says she could easily work for HRC again if HRC is on the ticket"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6508499

which has a link to that story

Ex-Clinton aide checked before joining Obama team

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hKvVffcNnc6x6N_y7q7Jf70STOswD91V5BSO0

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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:49 PM
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81. Here's a link to today's story..
I'm not so sure..I'm not trying to slam HRC or Obama, I just think it would be an awkward working relationship, bottom line I don't think HRC will be the V.P. nominee and I never did. I'm on board for her as Senate Majority Leader though.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/29/AR2008072902451.html
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:17 PM
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76. I doubt she wanted it. It was just campaign fatigue at the very end.
Bill Clinton was the one who was pushing for her to be VP. She went along with it at the time, but I am sure with some rest and reflection, she viewed it as a bad move. I think she is poised to shore up more power in the Senate. Possibly a Supreme Court nomination. VP was not a good fit for her.

I strongly disagree with anyone who thinks the VP pick will affect the electoral landscape one way or the other. The election will be about Obama, not his running mate.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 04:58 PM
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94. Good for her.
I'm glad she will get such a prominent role in the convention!

This is a major plus.

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Amimnoch Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:33 PM
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105. Don't doubt for a second that President Obama will make the best choice!
He has proven himself brilliant, resourceful, and capable man and politician.. all while remaining optimistic, and respectful of his running opponents in a very rarely seen way in this day and age.. from the primaries to the general now. I don't doubt for one second that whomever he chooses, it will be extremely well thought out, and the VP on the ticket will be the one that will be best for his campaign and for his 2 terms in office. If it is Senator Clinton, then I will trust fully in his decision, if it is someone else, again I'll trust in his decision.
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